[pitt]

I think we all had beta attitudes towards women and i believe the number one reason why most of us on here are good with women is because we had to learn it the hard way.

I miss flirting with interesting women. One that is traditional and knows that she is a woman. One that loves flowers.

The first girl i have ever bought flowers was this morrocan chick that i used to date when i was 16. I remember when i bought her flowers, she was so happy that i instantly associated buying women flowers as a good thing. I have only bought flowers to this morrocan chick and this other black chick that i have messed with few years ago. I am usually extremely picky about who i am going to buy flowers.

But guess what, the two times i bought flowers, i was overwhelmed on how these chicks reacted, they were so happy that it was just unbelievable.

No im not recommending you guys to start buying flowers to women. Buying flowers for most of western women is a bad move. I was just thinking that i miss buying flowers for women and i felt like sharing this with you guys.

I think Dominican Republic wins when comes to real feminine women. The next woman i am buying flowers will be a dominican woman, fuck it, i cant wait to fly out there.

The majority of women i see in the UK, i just want to fuck and move along, i miss some of the traditional game like offering women flowers.

What about you guys. Have you ever bought flowers for a chick? Whats the number one thing you miss about beta game?

p.s. Is this beta?

[thegmanifesto]

(07-20-2012 05:16 PM)pitt Wrote:  

What about you guys. Have you ever bought flowers for a chick?

I don't really think too much on these Alpha/Beta lines that are drawn.

I just do what the f*ck I want to do, when I want to do it.

Because I straight up don't give a f*ck.

I have bought flowers for myself and told girls that they were for them, while they were in my crib.

Also, I pick flowers for girls a lot "on the fly" because I like seeing flowers in girls hair.

Was this Beta? that I just said that?

[el mechanico]

I've never bought flowers but would buy some shit for a Dominican girl like Pitt said. I like them. I'm thinking about getting a patio set for one girl I date down there cause I like to smoke and drink on her porch behind the bars and she has no stuff out there.

Pitt we should meet down there and go on a gift showering spree

[WestCoast]

The only thing you'll kinda miss is the naïveté that comes with beta mentality, that the white picket fence is "obtainable". It isn't.

Second, ANYTHING "beta" that leads to sex is not beta. Hell if I have to buy a box of chocolates and I know it will lead to sex sign me up.

[bodmon]

My trajectory was omega to pua/aspiring alpha. I never had a beta niceguy stage. In the last 3 months I've gone from being a mid 20s virgin to a guy who's gotten 5 notches (2 ONSs, 2 first date bangs, 1 second date bang). And though I've gotten 5 notches, I've never talked to a girl on the phone in my life. I've never had dinner with a girl. I wonder what those things are like

[bodmon]

(07-20-2012 05:46 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Second, ANYTHING "beta" that leads to sex is not beta.

isn't that what you call a tautology

[MikeCF]

(07-20-2012 05:59 PM)bodmon Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 05:46 PM)WestCoast Wrote:  

Second, ANYTHING "beta" that leads to sex is not beta.

isn't that what you call a tautology

All first principles are tautological.

[pitt]

(07-20-2012 05:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(07-20-2012 05:16 PM)pitt Wrote:  

What about you guys. Have you ever bought flowers for a chick?

I don't really think too much on these Alpha/Beta lines that are drawn.

I just do what the f*ck I want to do, when I want to do it.

Because I straight up don't give a f*ck.

I have bought flowers for myself and told girls that they were for them, while they were in my crib.

Also, I pick flowers for girls a lot "on the fly" because I like seeing flowers in girls hair.

Was this Beta? that I just said that?

Thats whats up.

I was joking when i asked ''is this beta?''. I also never debate about things being alpha/beta, i just do whatever i want to do. I thought you guys knew i was playing when i asked is this beta.

(07-20-2012 05:57 PM)bodmon Wrote:  

My trajectory was omega to pua/aspiring alpha. I never had a beta niceguy stage. In the last 3 months I've gone from being a mid 20s virgin to a guy who's gotten 5 notches (2 ONSs, 2 first date bangs, 1 second date bang). And though I've gotten 5 notches, I've never talked to a girl on the phone in my life. I've never had dinner with a girl. I wonder what those things are like

You never had a beta stage and you lost your virginity when you were in your 20s? You never talked to a girl on the phone? Jeez..thats just weird man.

[el mechanico]

I don't buy into this alpha beta shit either like the Gmanifesto says. Not being afraid of women does not make you an alpha male. Not returning a text in one second doesn't either. You're an alpha male when other alpha males fear or sweat you. The guy that works for me does all kinds of shit to please his wife but I watched him punk a 300 lb 6+ft biker dude last week straight faced told him to shut the fuck up or else over pretty much nothing. He'll race home at 5pm for dinner though cause he doesn't want to hear her bitch.

I don't think Alpha or Beta are the right words we're using here

[soup]

I think we should use "players" and "spectators" or "civilians."

[el mechanico]

Sorry if I derailed the thread lets get back on topic. Buying gifts for Dominican sweeties

[UrbanNerd]

As I have posted several times, I don't get into all of that Alpha/Beta theory junk. Well, I guess I do by name only because my best/favorite method is what you all have labeled "beta provider". Although I am not rich, according to all of these classifications, I am supposedly in the top 10% or top 5% in income, so I use beta provider....with a twist.

I make the girl THINK and DREAM of having a much better lifestyle than she currently has until I bang....then I am gone in the wind.

[AntiTrace]

Like others, I dont buy into the alpha beta shit. And again like WC said, if it leads to sex it probably isnt beta.

I will always buy a little token for females in the rotation. Could be something as simple as a red bull as im on my way to her house, could be more expensive like the liberator wedge I once bought a chick.

Two tricks that I used to do when I was younger and cash strapped (and still do to some extent today)

1.) Pick up a cheap teddy bear or other girly thing, take a price tag off something else expensive and put the expensive price tag on your cheap gift. Explain that you were thinking of her when you saw it, and you had to get it, act embarrassed when she finds the expensive price tag.

Ive bought many a 2-3 dollar stuffed animal at goodwill and put on a 50-60 dollar tag in my day.

2.) Buy something cheap at a gas station. Like a bobble head or weird bouncy ball. Then fabricate a story about how you stole it because the cashier was disrespectful and pissed you off.

Buy a $100 dollar necklace and a girl will think your sweet. Steal a $5 dollar necklace and a girl will cream her pants for you.

[thegmanifesto]

(07-20-2012 06:57 PM)UrbanNerd Wrote:  

As I have posted several times, I don't get into all of that Alpha/Beta theory junk. Well, I guess I do by name only because my best/favorite method is what you all have labeled "beta provider". Although I am not rich, according to all of these classifications, I am supposedly in the top 10% or top 5% in income, so I use beta provider....with a twist.

I make the girl THINK and DREAM of having a much better lifestyle than she currently has until I bang....then I am gone in the wind.

That is called:

Selling The Dream

[OGNorCal707]

(07-20-2012 05:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Also, I pick flowers for girls a lot "on the fly" because I like seeing flowers in girls hair.

I'm a big fan of doing this and I think it's a strong move. I did this a couple weeks ago on a daytime date, we did a hike before going to the beach, when we passed through a meadow with lots of wild flowers I waited till we passed by a real nice one, and picked it for her, and told her to put it behind her ear. When done right it comes off as spontaneous, fun, and romantic...

[el mechanico]

Reminds me of..

[Enfant_Terrible]

Girls who treat me like royalty first deserve to be treated the same.
I actually like playing guitar love songs and cooking a meal with a sweet girl. They do exist!

[Enfant_Terrible]

(07-20-2012 08:31 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Reminds me of..

I think the camera guy got high at the 4:00 min mark.

[XXL]

(07-20-2012 05:16 PM)pitt Wrote:  

But guess what, the two times i bought flowers, i was overwhelmed on how these chicks reacted, they were so happy that it was just unbelievable.

No im not recommending you guys to start buying flowers to women. Buying flowers for most of western women is a bad move. I was just thinking that i miss buying flowers for women and i felt like sharing this with you guys.

black and white thinking here. bad move is only bad if lame person does it. conversely, if the girl sees you as bad ass she melts. you buy her flowers, shes excited. you send 10 needy text, she think they're caricatural and hilarious. same thing with negative things. you put her in the place, she thinks she deserves it. it's always about the person behind the move.

(07-20-2012 05:16 PM)pitt Wrote:  

Have you ever bought flowers for a chick? Whats the number one thing you miss about beta game?

sure. but i've never done it to make her like me or generate attraction. usually we're all over each other, she knows why i like her, she's super into me and in that situation pretty much every little beta move in
the book i can do is interpreted as nice. therefore, i don't miss these things, i do them because now it comes from the right place.

[Spike]

I believe in being Bepha™ which is like being 75% Alpha and 25% Beta.

You just can't be a hard ass all the time and I think you scare women of when you don't even show a few minor beta treats.

I see nothing wrong with being a bit beta from time to time. For example these CS girls: I don't mind them explaining me stuff about their country because most of the time i'm generally interested. i don't want to be focused on banging 24/7 and be some sex obsessed guy. There's more in life.

[sixsix]

I just came back from an Eastern European country and guess what: I took a girl out on a date to a restaurant!

I banged and I knew I would beforehand, but I didn't care about that. This girl, and she was by no means an exception, was so sweet and girly I wanted to take her out and buy her dinner. I did it because I enjoyed doing it. Badass restaurant, delicious steak, cocktails, cab rides and it still cost me nothing significant. The kicker: she swooned.

P.S.: I was kind of hot shit in the country with my looks, and this girl told me I was the most confident guy she'd ever met. Like she couldn't believe how she was feeling and how things were "happening so fast." But again, there's a time and place for alpha, and there's a time and place for beta. (Yes, the West is mostly not that latter place.)

[MrXY]

(07-21-2012 05:06 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I believe in being Bepha™ which is like being 75% Alpha and 25% Beta.

You just can't be a hard ass all the time and I think you scare women of when you don't even show a few minor beta treats.

I see nothing wrong with being a bit beta from time to time. For example these CS girls: I don't mind them explaining me stuff about their country because most of the time i'm generally interested. i don't want to be focused on banging 24/7 and be some sex obsessed guy. There's more in life.

I agree-you can be a confident, dominant guy and still do nice things for girls and make an emotional connection with them

Of course, then the girl often falls in love with you.....

[scribblec]

(07-20-2012 07:19 PM)AntiTrace Wrote:  

Like others, I dont buy into the alpha beta shit. And again like WC said, if it leads to sex it probably isnt beta.

I will always buy a little token for females in the rotation. Could be something as simple as a red bull as im on my way to her house, could be more expensive like the liberator wedge I once bought a chick.

Two tricks that I used to do when I was younger and cash strapped (and still do to some extent today)

1.) Pick up a cheap teddy bear or other girly thing, take a price tag off something else expensive and put the expensive price tag on your cheap gift. Explain that you were thinking of her when you saw it, and you had to get it, act embarrassed when she finds the expensive price tag.

Ive bought many a 2-3 dollar stuffed animal at goodwill and put on a 50-60 dollar tag in my day.

2.) Buy something cheap at a gas station. Like a bobble head or weird bouncy ball. Then fabricate a story about how you stole it because the cashier was disrespectful and pissed you off.

Buy a $100 dollar necklace and a girl will think your sweet. Steal a $5 dollar necklace and a girl will cream her pants for you.

quoted for truth

[HeyPete]

Oh man. This brings back a painful memory. I was 16 and my good friend's little sister was 14. I was all pumped and excited to ask her to the prom.

Her bday was in mid-April, so I figure, 'Yeah, a gift, flowers, then I'll ask.'

So, early on the big day I give her a gift, some bullshit thing and then in the afternoon I had roses delivered. And on the card. I put ... Prom?

I go over that evening and she's all over me, because she never got flowers before etc. Her Dad didn't look all that happy, but I'd been friends with her older brother for years, so he accepted it.

Anyway, I eat dinner there, we watch TV etc., etc. ... We're having a great time. But she never brings up the prom. Finally, I ask "Did you read the card?"

She says, "Oh yeah. No, I'm going with Danny."

I felt like this dude at the :55 second mark.

There is a good ending. I've since never given flowers to another woman besides my G'ma or Mom. And she is now a fat pig that has run through three mariages with kids from each one. And I wouldn't touch her for $100,000.

[Tengen]

(07-21-2012 05:06 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I believe in being Bepha™ which is like being 75% Alpha and 25% Beta.

If it's Alpha first, Beta second, then it should be Aleta™. Plus it reads cooler.