[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

Thought this was interesting in relation to the economic downturn and the setup of divorce laws in the western world.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/26/world/...?ref=world

[alphaspiraton]

You should see how bad the divorce laws are in canada (quebec). In an article I posted earlier, if you cohabit with a woman who isn't even married to you and you leave her after a year, she's entitled to full alimony payments and a "divorce settlement." of course every single man is praying for the court ruling to be overturned.

It's really pathetic how these laws control men, made by feminazis, when women hold half the jobs and even earn the same pay.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

That's absurd. It does sound like something that should get thrown out, though I don't know too much about the Canadian legal system. I didn't think it was the worst in Italy, I just thought it showed how bad things may be getting in a country that is historically more male dominated.

I didn't get the part where they said the Church is making it worse for these divorced single fathers. Are they implying because they make it hard to divorce in the first place that society comes down harder on them when they do? Those divorce rates were more like 15% versus what is right around 50% in the U.S.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

Quote:

Indeed, one man, who gave his name as Franco, did not want to be fully identified to avoid suffering the shame if his wife and two daughters learned of his troubles. After his restaurant went bankrupt, he traveled in April to Milan from his native Puglia, in Italy’s far south, to find a job so he could keep up alimony payments to his wife of 34 years, with whom he had split about a year and half ago, he said.
“In Puglia I was living day to day but I couldn’t keep that up forever,” said Franco, 56, who said he was still supporting his daughters, both of whom are in their early twenties but unemployed.

Yeah, it's all for "the children". Of course it's sad that his daughters can't find jobs because of the clusterfuck that the EU has driven itself into, but why is that his responsibility?

[joehoya]

(05-25-2012 10:36 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

You should see how bad the divorce laws are in canada (quebec). In an article I posted earlier, if you cohabit with a woman who isn't even married to you and you leave her after a year, she's entitled to full alimony payments and a "divorce settlement." of course every single man is praying for the court ruling to be overturned.

It's really pathetic how these laws control men, made by feminazis, when women hold half the jobs and even earn the same pay.

Sounds a lot like Costa Rica, Colombia, and (IIRC) the Dominican Republic. Basically, if you live with a woman for a certain period of time (I think it is 2 or 3 years in Costa Rica) one of you (almost always the woman) can go to a court and have your situation declared a "common law" marriage. At that point you are just as screwed as if you had formally married her. If she choses to "divorce" you, then you are responsible for alimony payments.

It is amazing how many girls I know in Costa Rica and Colombia who didn't even finish the 9th grade know EXACTLY what the law is regarding this issue. These girls know, to the day, precisely how long they need to live with you to have this declared.

I can tell you about SEVERAL men that I personally know in all three countries who have been hit with this. They find some girl and move in with her into some apartment or condo. A few days after the required time period passes, the woman applies to have their relationship considered a common law marriage. Shortly after that, the woman separates from the man and the guy has to pay alimony or some large lump sum payment to make it go away.

One guy I know actually built a house for this Dominican chick and her kids. He owned the house, and whenever he would come down to the DR (multiple times a year) he would live there with her. As soon as the time period passed, she applied for the common law marriage and demanded alimony.

From what I understand, the authorities WOULDN'T LET HIM LEAVE THE COUNTRY until he made some kind of arrangement with her. The end result was that he signed over the house HE BOUGHT AND BUILT (along with some monetary payment, I believe) and was allowed to leave the country. Same thing happened to another dude I know in Colombia (authorities would not let him leave the country until he settled it with her), but he didn't have to sign over a house, just a huge fucking lump sum payment.

The new Costa Rican scam is to move into a guys condo, then claim domestic violence (you WILL be arrested and thrown in jail if a woman makes that claim against you in Costa Rica). Costa Rican judicial system is notoriously slow and being locked up 2 weeks before seeing a judge for bail is common.

After you wait in jail for a few weeks without trial, you will come out of jail to find that she has a restraining order against you and you are not allowed to come back into your own fucking house. I have heard of girls moving their Costa Rican boyfriends into the house right after the gringo is kicked out.

Trust no bitch.

[Menace]

This makes me think the whole world has gone mad.

[tomtud]

WOW!!!!!! Reminds me of a story of an immigrant in Canada who was an older bachelor and married a woman from the old country. After working many years in Canada, he had no mortgage on his house and was pretty much set. He meets a woman not much younger than him and he sponsors her, they get married etc. after a year she goes to him one day " you know this isn't working out, we are too different and I would like to go my own way". He replies calmly " no problem, we will get divorced and go our separate ways". She leaves, goes to her sisters house and he stays in the house. A week passes by and she comes back begging him to come back. He didn't budge. Told her to get lost. Turns out after she went to the lawyer to get her undeserved entitlement to half his house, the lawyer told her that the house isn't his. It is under his sisters name.

Now when I heard that story it always makes me cautious of trusting any woman who makes less than me. These bitches know the system. It's time men learn the system even if it means placing property deeds under your parents name. I know this causes a lot of inconvenience, but it's easier to handle than some manipulative woman taking your stuff. The odds of a successful relationship somehow becomes nill once these time periods elapse.

[Samseau]

In Italy, Spain, Greece, etc. I've heard firsthand accounts that most men live with their parents until age 30.


It's amazing how much bullshit these men have to put up with and yet just roll over and take it.

[Parlay44]

A girl I know was given the family house. She got married and moved her father into a retirement home. Her husband went through her text messages and found out she was cheating. He went to a lawyer and found out the house was still in her Father's name. He divorced her and hit her for $25k in cash in the settlement. Her husband was a good guy too. We got along well. Marriage isn't enough for these bitches. They want it all.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

What makes these cohabitation stories absurd is the fact that they are based just on residence. Can't anyone pretty much change their address to say they live wherever they want? For instance they could be mostly living with family or even some other guy but have their postal address at the guys house, and the clock is running then.

[tomtud]

A buddy of mine had his girlfriend become a tenant in is house. Made her pay rent officially and they played house. I think too many men are pussies and will bend when a woman freaks out at that arrangement or proposal. But when a woman makes such a request most will be ok dear whatever you want.

[tomtud]

A buddy of mine had his girlfriend become a tenant in is house. Made her pay rent officially and they played house. I think too many men are pussies and will bend when a woman freaks out at that arrangement or proposal. But when a woman makes such a request most will be ok dear whatever you want.

[Diomedes]

"It is amazing how many girls I know in Costa Rica and Colombia who didn't even finish the 9th grade know EXACTLY what the law is regarding this issue. These girls know, to the day, precisely how long they need to live with you to have this declared. "

[One thinks I have lifted this from elsewhere, though if this is the case whoever actually said this plagiarised me years ago.]

Never forget:

Men are romantics who play at being realists.
Women are realists who play at being romantics.

We live in a crooked system designed by big businesses who pander to women's spending power. However, any man foolish enough to put a ring on a girl's finger, move in with or have kids with knows what he is potentially in for.

There's one woman in the world, one woman with three-billion faces. No matter where you look you will never find a low-risk stock.

[kdolo]

Men have to be on their Ps and Qs mentally.

Maybe we should generate some ideas on how to navigate:

1. Do not marry
2. Do not marry without a prenup
3. Marry in fair and not feminazi jurisdiction
4. Do not cohabitate
-if you do make her sign a lease and pay rent and keep record of payment so that she is a "tenant"
5. Buy your property in a trust, llc, corporation, so that it is not "yours" personally and she cant go after it after the relationship.

.....any others ??

[Hooligan Harry]

(05-27-2012 09:15 PM)kdolo Wrote:  

Men have to be on their Ps and Qs mentally.

Maybe we should generate some ideas on how to navigate:

1. Do not marry
2. Do not marry without a prenup
3. Marry in fair and not feminazi jurisdiction
4. Do not cohabitate
-if you do make her sign a lease and pay rent and keep record of payment so that she is a "tenant"
5. Buy your property in a trust, llc, corporation, so that it is not "yours" personally and she cant go after it after the relationship.

.....any others ??

There is zero reason to marry unless its for kids or passports. Even with kids, the chances of you winning custody are slim to none anyway. You do at least have some rights as a father, albeit limited, when you were married. Which leaves just passports, and that itself does have better options than marriage.

One of my partners, who divorced a few years ago now, had his ex wife lay claim to his shareholding. The company was formed almost 3 years after they divorced. It resulted in a company audit and although she lost the claim, the fact that the lawyers went to that degree shows how often they do win it. This was THREE YEARS AFTER THE DIVORCE. She cited the fact that it was not formation, but conceptualization of the business that matters, and that occurred when they were married. Her support for him as his wife entitled her to this part of his extended estate.

Trusts used to provide a great deal of protection, but even that is changing. If they can prove that your holdings have been structured to limit obligations to her, they will clean you out. If it can be proven that your income paid for or was used to invest in assets held in trusts she is not a beneficiary of, they can force the sale of those assets or require payment for a portion of it.

Fro example, I could have a house my widowed mother lives in, owned by a trust my sister is the sole beneficiary of, paid for by a separate company I own (ie: not my salary or dividends) and she could STILL lay claim to it if it was determined that its part of my income. I would either need to sell the house to cover the divorce settlement or pay her the value of the settlement to keep the house.

Obviously the quality of lawyers on both sides has an impact on this, but when you see how the odds are stacked against you, you begin to realise that marriage makes even less sense when you have money.

From what I can see, Spain is one of the better places to get married and have kids. While separation stats are higher than divorce stats, legal divorce is still much rarer and the result of that is fewer men losing legal rights to their kids and getting raped in settlements. Divorce rate is under 15%.

[I'mWaitingForTheMan]

Here is another one I found making my daily news rounds. Not related to marriage but the whole gender equality issue. I wanted to barf so I stopped reading it halfway through.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/euro...35738.html

We already knew it was bad in Scandinavia.

[MrLemon]

Oh, there is a very simple end to all of this. It's called war.

War is what you get when Feminism goes too far (as it ALWAYS has). As an Anthropology major I can easily point you to the various social factors that control this.

Women take control of any tribe/society/civilization. They quickly modify the rules to screw over the men (happens EVERY time). Men become outcasts. Outcasts become rebels, outlaws, or armies. Growth in violence. Women utterly unable to handle violence, panic, elect "strong" men (readictators). Dictators hire outcast men to populate nice shiny new army. Gotta use army if you build it. Declare war. Men fight. Women return to homes and have babies, cede control of politics back to male survivors of war. Back to ground state of society....patriarchy.