[Nascimento]

Some great breakdowns in this thread.

I'd like the chance to get to meet some of you guys in the near future. I've only met a few forum members so far, and meeting more of you guys is something I am working on. It would be great to get some different perspectives and feedback from guys older/more experienced than myself.

I'm not exactly sure what my traveling plans will be for 2014, I might be in the States for a few days, and might be doing a month or two in SA. Besides that any of you guys that are/will be in the Toronto area be sure to give me a shout.

[Saladin]

(12-28-2013 03:39 PM)Nascimento Wrote:  

Some great breakdowns in this thread.

I'd like the chance to get to meet some of you guys in the near future. I've only met a few forum members so far, and meeting more of you guys is something I am working on. It would be great to get some different perspectives and feedback from guys older/more experienced than myself.

I'm not exactly sure what my traveling plans will be for 2014, I might be in the States for a few days, and might be doing a month or two in SA. Besides that any of you guys that are/will be in the Toronto area be sure to give me a shout.

We should meet up in Mid Jan when I get back from the DR.

[Aliblahba]

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Positives:

Ali's Signature Game Stance: I a Nutshell he creates a bubble around him where he gets the girls to approach him, Nonchalance, signature blonde fro/golden locks, drinks, smokes and dress style makes him an attractive male specimen that makes girls Approach him and not the other way around. lot has to do with a social set up and guys he is hanging out with, The night when we all went out I saw girls coming upto him and touching feeeling his golden locks.

Its all about making them come to you. With that you hold the power, and take away her keys as the gatekeeper to sex.

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Above goes against the popular belief but works well for him, Keep doing what you are doing.

Most guys won't ever figure this out, even though most modern role models do it also. Like Donald Trump.

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Style: Pure Masculine , boot cut jeans, Frye boots (one boot ) as the other foot was in the caste, Solid colored Shirt, Non-Stop smoking and drinking fits you well. No need to change anything there.

Fitness: you might have gained 10-15 pounds secondary to immobility but over all in good fitness, you need to shed some gut fat, Even with your Injury you should be able to do some sort of work out that will help with your recovery and overall fitness.
Accent: Ali speaks with a southern drawl in long sentences that helps create a spell, works well for him. I think you will do great or have done great in England.

I dropped the weight and am getting back in shape. Need to get a kickstarter fund going for a haircut. That southern draw kills it anywhere above the Mason Dixon, Tampa, and the U.K. Again, girls here it and come running to me. Fuck if I want to chase them.

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

All is all Ali is one of the Brothers is this Band of Brothers, A Man's Man. He is willing to help the less experienced members, Isaac Jordon was there, he is a young player that Ali took the time to teach game to and was very helpful and open to helping him with all the connections/resources he has in GA.

I don't mind helping out the youngsters. Players took me under their wing when I was 20, and it made all the difference in the world.

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Excessive smoking and drinking. Smoke a litlle less and drink a little less, give it a try and see if you do any better.

I quit smoking a week ago. Gonna sting not being able to utilize smoke pit game. Still figuring that one out.

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Immobility/Lethargy : I know you create a field where girls come to you like bees to honey but your results can double if you approach proactively along with your current stance.

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

$$$$$$: I know you are working towards making some dough, keep at it your break will come .....

Still working on this one. Its time to go make the doughnuts.

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

Things I would like to see Ali Improve: Your whole day progresses at the speed of molasses, get of your butt , as a matter of fact next time I come see you I will Inject Epinephrine in your but that will speed you up and for God's sake Approach, There are a lot of girls around you who are attracted to you but are too timid to come and approach you, you are missing out on a lot.

I need to hang out with you guys that approach more. I've gotten lazy with it.

(12-28-2013 03:27 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

What I learned from Ali: Talk slow, walk slow create a attractive sphere around me for girls to Approach me.

Give less fucks to people .......

Life is about giving less fucks. Like not caring about what Fisto said ref. Nason's. Haters gonna hate. MMA is soooooo 90's, like Ed Hardy.

[Aliblahba]

Lothario's Game Analysis

I don't have much to add on what Fistoo-too had to say. Relax the body language a bit, but that'll come with confidence from a boxing gym. I recommend it, and I'll look into getting into one also. Learning to punch a mother fucker in the fucking face will do wonders for almost all parts of your game.

I believe the eagerness you portray is due to your timeline. I understand you have to get it in on short bursts, but you have to focus your energies and let things flow. Time reframe. Put the world on your watch. The mindset will smooth your game down. Read Mushashi. He won duels by showing up late, and pissing off the opponent so bad they lost their focus and died as a result.

I have much master level game to teach you young kohai, and some things can't be transcribed into writings. We must go into the world wisking magic through the internet, approaching with the hearts of tigers, and creating the vortex women will be sucked into. Prepare to be learned by the drunken master!

[slubu]

(12-28-2013 03:36 PM)Menace Wrote:  

I think people who are beginner/intermediate at game would increase their skills at 10x the usual rate if they hung out with guys who know what they're doing. Monkey see monkey do plus osmosis. I actually experienced this going out with slubu in Moscow.

Break it down for us Menace. I think we went out only that one night at Barbados? I'm trying to remember. I'd love to hear your analysis of me and I'll try to do the same best I can from that night months ago.

[Cobra]

Gio and Lothario left me a voicemail. Normally I wait a day to return phone calls over the weekend but I made some shitty excuse to get away from the family just because I was anxious to call them back and talk to them live. Suffice to say I can't even begin to describe how much I appreciated that.

It's been a while since I have read every single post in an entire thread. Totally worth it.

Lothario is a cool cat and willing to help. He has a similar background and situation to mine and he does well with it.

My game is improving but it's time for me to take it to the next level. I don't care what it takes. I want to meet as many players as possible to accomplish this.

I quit my job because I wanted to take a risk and be better and above average. I'll be off for the next few months so hoping to work on game because my next job will require it to make me successful.

Travesty444 just told me to be a Shark in blood. Everything around me tells me to stay still but I want that blood. I really do.

[Lothario]

Cobra on the chopping block, I had the chance to finally meet up with him and we were able to hang out for about 3 hrs, It is a short time to give a detailed opinion on some one's game but I have been talking to him for a while and knew a lot about him even before meeting up.

We met at my Hotel Lobby and our original plan was to just hang out, have a beer and hash out game, We talked but also I also ended up approaching 6-7 Girls and got 2 numbers, I am glad I was able to show Cobra how I spit my game. I will try to type and post Approaches from that day in Approach thread.

Disclaimer: I will try not to reveal personal identifiers, He has a Similar Background as myself. Brown Desi Dude in late 30's, kids etc.

Stengths:

1. Great Confident posture and IDGAF vibe

2. Willingness (Burning Desire to get better at Game)

3. Great understanding of game nuances.

Areas of Imrovement:

1. Style: You definitely have the fashion sense down, Your outfit was nice, Jeans, collared shirt and a sports coat but in one word was Vanilla, nothing pops out of your outfit , I will tell you to be a bit more daring in your style, You have the pocket square thing down but a black pocket square in a gray sports coat is just vanilla, Get some pocket squares in bright colors, how about a red pocket square. I don't know how to say this politely ........

Get rid of the undershirt goddammit.

Trim your chest hair.

Dye your hair.

Spend some money on a nice pair of Shoes

Wear one piece of article that you are uncomfortable with, Challenge your own opinions, Wear a Big Watch, Wear a Bright colored pocket square, Wear a Cognac or another light brown color pair of shoe that stands out, Wear Socks that stand out. A Necklace, A chain etc etc

Make sure it is only one piece of article that draws attention, too many items and you will look like a clown, Finally If you can do only 2 things to Improve your fashion sense. 1. Get a subscription of GQ 2. Start reading Masculine Style you will be set in a year.

You want to develop a masculine style, trimming your chest hair, getting rid of the Undershirt, open the top button on your collared shirt and your Muasculine energy oozes out of you.

2. Fitness: You definitely are in good shape, may be loose a little belly fat and you are set.

3. Game: How do I start here, you didn't even make a single approach in 3 hrs and there were plenty of targets available, you did try to engage some of the girls or their friends that I opened.On a positive note your voice projection is good and you don't have an accent and when you were talking to girls you were smooth, non-needy and confident.

Biggest Improvement you need is to develop a Happy and fun Vibe. Relax brother, you seemed too uptight, let it flow .......

When I first met you I thought with this confident Vibe you are going to tear them girls apart but then found out that are kinda just stuck there for some reason You are reading too much into it and not doing enough action. Foget about all the theory for a while and Approach, Approach, Approach like a mofo with an attitiude that you don't care about the result yet you still do, a catch 22. I may not be doing a good job of explaining but take the pressure of performing away from you and then Approach, you will flow better. There is something blocking you other wise you look like a Cobra poised to strike.

you know what it is that stops you, get that thing straightened and your Inner cobra will be uleashed. I also feel like you are putting too much pressure on yourself and there is other stuff going on in your life. It is ok to even take a break from Game and then come back with a vengeance.

Final Words: I might have been too harsh on Cobra but honestly my Intention is true to see him as a better man, better player and he is just right there and I see a lot of potential in this player who isn't performing, he needs just a push to come out of the frozen shell. This Analysis might just do that .....

Looking forward to Cobra doing an Analysis of my Game, do give it to me player as this is how I get better.

All the best Cobra da man, Looking forward to meeting you again with you doing most of the Approaches.

[Cobra]

^^^ Lothario, thank you for this. It helps me a great deal and will help me hone my game for months to come. I approached a bunch of girls last night and even opened a whole group of like 10 german girls just because I wanted to. Got one number from maybe 5 approaches overall. You would have been proud of me. Your analysis helped ground these approaches, brotha. And we're talking on the street day game actually after it got dark.

Maybe you will update my analysis after I show you what I'm capable of next time? .

[Cobra]

Lothario under the knife..

Realize it’s difficult for me to do this as I consider myself a newbie to game. On top of that, Lothario has done hundreds of approaches while I’m still at a little less than 100. Furthermore, he has been trained by Roosh and has also spent a lot of time with Giovonny as well as other reputable gamesmen on the forum. So it’s an understatement when I say that I’m analyzing a player that has been analyzed a whole bunch of times already by more experienced players. That being said, I’m still a guy that can provide good analysis as I have followed game for a while and have just now gotten into the phase where I’m observing people and their vibe better. Also, I want to do this with a clear perspective that will lend itself to some improvement for Lothario, if that’s even possible. So what I’m about to say needs to be viewed through that lens.

First of all, Lothario was only in the city for a short period of time. That day I ended up working further away from the city and had a hard time getting in with traffic and distance against me. However, I pushed through almost 2 hours of driving to meet Lothario for 3 hours. The reason I did this was because of who Lothario is as a person. I wouldn’t do this for many people.

I’ll explain. Lothario has always been around to help me. He has been very gracious with his time and advice. I spoke with him many times before we met. Just by speaking with him, I realized that he is a true gentleman. He carries that vibe around everyone, girls and guys. Think James Bond but with a more fun vibe. I’ll get into specifics.

Looks: No need to go into this much more than players already have, but he is a mid 30s brown desi dude that is in good shape. He is on the skinnier side like me but does a lot to make up for any shortcomings it may come with. Let me take a step back when I say this. Lothario’s style is GQ and not Abercrombie & Fitch (A&F) type. The A&F types in my opinion would need to be in top shape because those clothes are more exposing to the body especially in the summer. For example, wearing an A&F t-shirt will expose your arms which if they are skinny can hurt confidence and game, whereas wearing a blazer as long as you’re in good shape will minimize any fitness shortcomings while maximizing return on your looks. Lothario has already seemed to figure this out with his style so being extremely buff and cut up is not something that is necessary or hurts his game. Which brings me to style…

Style: Lothario has a subscription to GQ magazine and it shows. He was wearing a double breasted fitted Navy blue blazer with a blue checkered shirt, along with a checkered pocket square that popped out. He was also wearing fitted jeans that were folded at the bottom with some cool brown shoes. I am a bit less into fashion than he is (see analysis of my game) but I think that folding the jeans actually likely helped him stand out from the crowd since it’s more “GQ” to do something like that and draws a bit more attention. Otherwise, I think his pocket square and blazer would have drawn attention anyways. Overall, for his frame (skinny but some muscle on his bones) he was rocking that blazer and jeans. I know the girls noticed and I, in turn, noticed that! Which brings me to game…

Game: This will be the longest section so I ask for patience. I have thought about this for an entire week and want to give Lothario the best my analytical mind can offer. I’ll go with the positives first and then some minor criticisms. After that I will wrap up with how I see him fitting into it all.

Lothario is a very social brown dude. It comes with the territory of being a successful desi/Indian brown guy. I’ve said this before but when we desi dudes are cool, we’re extremely cool. That’s because those of us genuinely want to build connections with people rather than live in our own head and loathe the western world like most other brown dudes do. Lothario embodies this. When he talks with girls, he opens them up and makes them feel as if he is a prince and they are his concubines for those few seconds of the approach. He does this in many ways. First and foremost is his “eye contact to approach” time cycle. The time it takes for him to make eye contact with the girl and approach her seems minimal, very minimal, at least with the few approaches I saw him make in the small window where we hung out. I noticed he may wait a little but when he approaches, most times he will approach as soon as he makes eye contact. I think this is critical in game because the more you wait, the more you hate. He understands this.

His openers that I saw were fairly indirect. For example, one was quite simply asking for a place to hang out that night whereas another one was a Spanish opener noting his goal to improve Spanish speaking skills. Both were effective and the girls were either smiling or engaged, or both.

His body language while doing the approaches is very open. Meaning, he has got a fun vibe to him that comes off in both his speech and how he presents physically. It may be easier for me to describe posture by noting what he doesn’t do. He doesn’t slouch when he walks and walks like a rooster looking for bitches. He doesn’t cross his arms, ever (I fall into this trap sometimes). He doesn’t look nervous and his gaze is always focused. He doesn’t forget to engage people and smile with them.

His voice projection is great. The way he talks has a calming slowness to it. He doesn’t speak fast but says what he says with conviction. In a way, I think being part of the South Asian culture helps him because he appears to combine his confident IDGAF vibe with social openness that is very hospitable and ready to receive people with an open heart. I am the same way and working on my body language to be more congruent with this. So I understand it and see it for all its benefits when a fellow player like Lothario does it well.

Now, for a few criticisms. This is very hard for me to do as Lothario has obviously worked very hard to make improvements in every possible way he can over the years.

Accent: Lothario has learned to not only reduce his accent but mask it with his voice projection and clear manner of speech. However, the accent still exists; BUT it’s not a bad thing which is what I’m going to try to explain. Lothario, I ask you this brother because it’s a question that you may not even have an answer to. I think you worked a lot on your accent but I got the sense that you still continue to see it at least as a minor crutch for you. As a guy that came to the states later in life, it is EXTREMELY difficult to get that accent to go away over like about 70%. I have come across a bunch of Indian guys with this issue and it’s hard to get rid of completely. But the reason they don’t get rid of it is because they are unconfident and see themselves as inferior because of it. My thought is just that DO YOU NEED BE LIKE THEM? And I’m not saying you are but it’s easy to lose focus on ACTUAL improvement if you associate your game ability with something that we south Asians have an inherent disability for over focusing on, thereby framing it as a crutch rather than something unique that could be maxed out and still be kept UNIQUE. You have that ability and I saw it in person. So I would say focus on your conversational ability instead. I think there are certain things you can say and/or ways to say those things which will not only focus the attention on your emotional intelligence but also does it in a way that makes you stand out BECAUSE you have an accent, thereby increasing your exotic factor. It’s a fine line but I think it can be done.

Example: I opened a chick yesterday that was smoking. Now remember, my accent is almost a 100% American; so much that on the phone, I may sound like your normal American white guy. I said “Wow, you smoke; what an amazing way to live longer!” It’s basic American sarcasm. I don’t know if you have used it much and maybe if you know it, cut this part out of the analysis. Anyways, now I imagine you saying the exact same thing. When I imagine it, I realize how much MORE effective you can be with it. Basically, the girl is thinking, wow this guy knows what sarcasm is and he’s not from around here. What else does he have in his bag? Another words, you just increased your EXOTIC factor.

Overall thoughts: Lothario has a lot going for him and his game. He is a good looking guy both because of his style, his aura, IGAF vibe and smooth manner of speech. When I dissect his game for the few hours that we met, I don’t see much that needs to improve, AT ALL. But there is room for improvement. What that means is grow your conversational ability and manner of speech (e.g. sarcasm) and focus less on accent reduction. I don’t see it as much of a crutch as maybe you do. Remember this is coming from a guy with a similar background to you that went through at least some of the same challenges. So please take it for what it’s worth.

Where Lothario can help me is overall smooth vibe, and fearless approach ability, which he seems to have no problem with. As my game improves, I can possibly help him with manner of speech, conversation and things like sarcasm, which while knowing it well, I have a hard time projecting it because of my anxiety. This is why I think I can be a killer by losing my anxiety, the same as Lothario can be a killer with focus on more conversational ability.

Lothario, I have nothing but respect for you. He paid for dinner and I bought him a fucking 2 dollar coffee . I wasn’t going to keep the analysis subjective and therefore reduce its ability to provide any benefit to him. That’s why I thought long and hard before writing this. I honestly went out and approached with another Indian friend of mine last night and some of the things I did, I later dissected for him which put this analysis into perspective. I really hope to meet him again to approach. I don’t mind going out of my way for someone like Lothario. He is a true gentleman. And, next time, Lothario, I will do most of the approaches. You have my guarantee!

[Lothario]

Wow Cobra, Thanks for the Kind words brother and more thanks for putting in the time, effort and thought process in writing my Analysis and even more thanks for showing me the areas of Improvement. It shows you care. Thanks.

Ok, I'll admit, It did get an ego boost reading accolades about me I 'll highlight some

(08-30-2014 10:23 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

Lothario under the knife..

Think James Bond but with a more fun vibe.

When he talks with girls, he opens them up and makes them feel as if he is a prince and they are his concubines for those few seconds of the approach. He does this in many ways.

It may be easier for me to describe posture by noting what he doesn’t do. He doesn’t slouch when he walks and walks like a rooster looking for bitches.

Walking like a Rooster looking for bitches ......

Quote:

But there is room for improvement. What that means is grow your conversational ability and manner of speech (e.g. sarcasm) and focus less on accent reduction.

Yes there is room for Improvement, there will always be room for Improvement, Thanks for reminding me to Improve my conversational ability and use more of Humor and Sarcasm in my Approaches. I do but sparingly, Gio pointed that out too.

Thanks for telling me to embrace my residual accent rather then shunning it, Trust me it was worse, way worse but I can tolerate and the bishes can tolerate the residual 30 % Desi accent

I will tell you where else I need Improvement, End Game, I don't have a problem Approaching, getting girls attracted to me, or going on dates with them or Isolating. It's when the games begin after Isolation that my game needs work. Problem is I am always on a time Crunch and fumble in the end Zone. When I'm out of town I don't give a shit as I have time and I can play better.

I will look forward to Gaming with Cobra as my wingman.

[Giovonny]

(08-30-2014 10:23 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

Lothario under the knife..

I have gamed with Lothario as few times.

His biggest strength is his "I don't give a fuck attitude"!

What exactly does that mean?

It means that he is not paralyzed by the opinion of others. He is not shackled by social fear or embarrassment. He is willing to face his own fears and face public criticism and rejection.

He doesn't care what people think. He cares more about his own opinion of himself!

His 2nd greatest strength is that he works hard.

Effort is 75% of the battle. He puts in the work. He approaches more than most guys on this forum. He has studied self development more than most guys on this forum.

His 3rd greatest strength is the "definiteness of his purpose".

He knows what he wants and he goes after it.

(08-30-2014 10:23 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

Style: Lothario has a subscription to GQ magazine and it shows. He was wearing a double breasted fitted Navy blue blazer with a blue checkered shirt, along with a checkered pocket square that popped out. He was also wearing fitted jeans that were folded at the bottom with some cool brown shoes.

Good clothes make a man more attractive.

Lothario dresses well.

He has helped me to dress better.

(08-30-2014 10:23 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

His voice projection is great.

Yes, his voice power has grown as his confidence has grown.

(08-30-2014 10:23 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

Accent: Lothario has learned to not only reduce his accent but mask it with his voice projection and clear manner of speech.

His accent is no longer an issue, in my opinion.

(08-30-2014 10:23 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

I don’t see much that needs to improve, AT ALL.

In terms of Game, I don't see much that can be improved.

What can be improved is his "strategy". The way in which he utilizes his game.

A good strategy can be better than having good game.

For example, I know a few guys with bad game, but, they have a great "strategy". One is a bartender and the other is tv producer. Neither one has good game but they both do a great job of meeting a lot of girls and presenting themselves as high status. They get laid a lot, even though they have bad game.

Lothario's strategy is limited because he lives in a small Mid Western town. If he lived in New York City, he wold get laid much more because he would have access to many more strategies and many more girls.

He is limited because he can not get a reputation around town
He is limited because can't game girls at his work.
He is limited because can't game openly and freely due to small town environment
He is limited to only one culture, the culture of his town.

These factors limit the types of strategies that he can use.

*****

(08-30-2014 03:09 PM)Lothario Wrote:  

I will tell you where else I need Improvement, End Game

I never knew this about you..

I have really developed my "End Game" over the past few years.

Here is a good example of my "end game".

Notice how after seating her on my couch and giving her a drink -- I allow our knees to touch "serendipitously". Then, my escalation starts with her hands, I then move to her wrists and slowly up her arms to her shoulders and back..

Lots of gentle rubbing and caressing. I slowly work my way up to basically massaging her back and shoulders. I do all of this before going for a kiss. Even, before kissing, I rub my nose and cheeks softly around her neck and ears..

I hope this helps:

(08-31-2014 06:20 AM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Then, back to my place.

We smoked some more and listened to some music. We were sitting right next to each other on my couch, our knees occasionally touching.

I started my escalation by touching her hands, rubbing them and caressing them, she responded well by turning her hands over and opening them up.

I started to rub her wrists, forearms, upper arms and shoulders taking my time before moving higher. I caressed her collarbone and neckline, rubbed her back and ran my hand across the back of her neck...

Finally, I put my nose on her ear and my face next to hers.. I ran my lips over her neck and hair line..

No 18 year old boy is doing all this shit!

We start making out, I rub her ass, I lightly spank her ass, she says:

"if you're gonna spank me, spank me right"

Full Story HERE

[Moma]

Gio, would you say that strategy can be better phrased as logistics?

[Giovonny]

(09-03-2014 04:59 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Gio, would you say that strategy can be better phrased as logistics?

No, not really. Strategy is different than logistics. (Logistics might actually be the most important thing)

I will use an example of someone I know from the forum.

His game is not that good.

My game is better.

But, he bangs way more girls and way hotter girls.

Why?

He has a better strategy. He dresses well and goes to popular night life places.

He travels the world to great locations with friendly girls.

He uses online game.

I don't do any of those things.

Even though my game is better, he gets more results.

He does a good job at choosing strategies that have a good return.

I hope this makes sense..

****

P.S. -- I know other guy that has no game, but, he bangs beautiful escorts and is a sugar daddy to young girls.

He has no game.

I wish I could bang some of the girls that he does.

Again, his game sucks, but his strategy is good.

[Moma]

Gio the things you listed about Lothario cannot be changed. Strategy is something you can tweak pretty quickly. Logistics is not one of those.

Strategy refers to how you approach a situation you are stuck in.

If Lothario lives in a dead village where his lays cannot be broadcasted then there is no strategy to address that. Moving to a better location would involve improving logistics.

If Lothario was escalating on lizards from 1 min of meeting them and going 1 for 72, then changing strategy would be to slow down and build up comfort before escalating.

Would you agree?

[Giovonny]

(09-03-2014 05:33 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Gio the things you listed about Lothario cannot be changed.

Would you agree?

No, I respectfully disagree.

He can move.
He can travel
He can use escorts.
He can change jobs.
Etc.

He can do many things to change his strategy.

I'm not suggesting that he does these things. Some of them would be totally life changing and life altering. I admit, some of these things are pretty unrealistic but they are possible and easily accomplished if he really wanted to do them. I don't think he will due to family obligations.

I'm just suggesting what is possible.

You said:

Quote:

cannot be changed.

This is not true. They can be changed.

Just my opinion..

[Moma]

Gio, then couldn't one go ahead and advise a broke student living at his mum's house to change his strategy by making 100K plus a year and buying a car that get them wet and then moving to a penthouse in Manhattan?

I would say strategy are methods that can be implemented pretty much immediately and logistics are things that can take years to put into place.

[AneroidOcean]

Strategies are merely a plan to achieve a goal.

If your goal is more complicated/challenging, your strategy will likely be much longer term.

If your goal is simpler, your strategy will be simpler.

Logistics can often be improved but do carry trade offs. Sometimes this is money, sometimes it is instead more time/risk based, sometimes it means you have to recreate your entire social circle/network.

Some logistics are simple. Contraception/protection against STDs? Order condoms in bulk online. You pay 20-30% of the retail price of buying condoms one at a time. A small amount of money spent for a long-term logistical solution.

Access to somewhere to have sex? Have sex in public, in a car, in a park, etc... Risk increase, but doesn't really cost you any money.

Swank condo in the middle of a popular city/nightlife? Big money, may require long-term/significant changes.

However, if you just want a swank place just for the night? Lots of services can allow you to have this for relatively cheap. Hotels, airbnb, etc...

You are assigning attributes to strategy and logistics, but those aspects are dependent on your goals, not on the categories.

[Giovonny]

(09-03-2014 06:02 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Gio, then couldn't one go ahead and advise a broke student living at his mum's house to change his strategy by making 100K plus a year and buying a car that get them wet and then moving to a penthouse in Manhattan?

Yes. one could advise that, it's good long term advice.

Of course, the "broke student" would need to actually get the job first.

That may not be realistic in the short term but it would certainly be realistic in the long term.

*We should differentiate between short term strategies and long term strategies *

If the "broke student" could actually get the job, maybe he should take it? (depends on $ and long term potential, risk, benefits, etc.)

If he could NOT get the job, obviously, he should continue with college in able to put himself into position to get the job in the future.

In Lotharios case, in terms of actually getting sex with the girls he wants, I would likely suggest less cold approaching and more online screening, target specific travel, "sugar daddy" possibilities, fetish scenes, etc.

All of those things are very realistic for him.

Note to Lothario: I'm not suggesting that you stop cold approaching. I'm just saying that for the girls you truly desire, cold approaching may not be the best strategy to use. Using one of those other strategies that I mentioned above may be better..?

Just fun to think about.

I want you to fulfill all of your fantasies! I want you to reach "peak sexual satisfaction". Remember when we talked about "transcending" sex ?

We'll talk soon..

(09-03-2014 06:02 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I would say strategy are methods that can be implemented pretty much immediately and logistics are things that can take years to put into place.

We are just talking about semantics now but..

I'll say that some logistical issues can be fixed rather quickly while others take more time to fix.

Same with strategies, some can be implemented immediately while others will take many years to be put into place.

[Cattle Rustler]

(09-03-2014 06:02 PM)Moma Wrote:  

Gio, then couldn't one go ahead and advise a broke student living at his mum's house to change his strategy by making 100K plus a year and buying a car that get them wet and then moving to a penthouse in Manhattan?

I would say strategy are methods that can be implemented pretty much immediately and logistics are things that can take years to put into place.

That's doable, just go to north dakota and sell your soul to the oil devil

[Deluge]

(08-30-2014 10:23 AM)Cobra Wrote:  

He is on the skinnier side like me but does a lot to make up for any shortcomings it may come with.

Lothario, have you considered trying to pack on some serious muscle? Dope style with a jacked physique is a rare but killer combo.

[Giovonny]

(09-03-2014 11:04 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

just go to north dakota and sell your soul to the oil devil

This is a great comment because it describes what is possible if we really want to change our life.

Almost any man on this board can pack up and head to the oil fields.. Will it be easy? No!

It will be hard. But, the opportunities are out there if you are willing to work.

Who can forget this famous thread:

"Working in the Canadian oil sands: 6 figures in 6 months! "

If we want to change our lives drastically we often must take drastic action.

I'm not suggesting that Lothario move to Canada or North Dakota for work.

I suggesting that a drastic and major strategy overhaul might bring greater results.

Cold approaching and online gaming in a small town has it's limitations. A successful businessman like Lothario has the ability incorporate a variety of high powered strategies.

Just like a man who moves to Canada or North Dakota to improve his career prospects, some of us need to make major changes to our lives if we want greater pussy prospects.

(09-04-2014 12:00 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

Lothario, have you considered trying to pack on some serious muscle? Dope style with a jacked physique is a rare but killer combo.

Lothario is lean, not big but not skinny small, he is healthy and fit looking.

A little more muscle is always good for us thin guys.

It just takes time, effort, and commitment.

I don't think he has a lot of free time to commit to this.

I'm sure he will appreciate our suggestions and discussion about his strategy and game.

Personally, I have made a strong push to pack on some muscle and the response from women has been great!

[Lothario]

(09-03-2014 04:28 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

In terms of Game, I don't see much that can be improved.

What can be improved is his "strategy". The way in which he utilizes his game.

A good strategy can be better than having good game.

Thanks a lot Gio for the kind words, Kinda agree that I have come a long way in Improving my Game but there will always be room for Improvement.

You F.....ing nailed it . Yes better strategy will yield me more pussy then better game

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In Lotharios case, in terms of actually getting sex with the girls he wants, I would likely suggest less cold approaching and more online screening, target specific travel, "sugar daddy" possibilities, fetish scenes, etc.

All of those things are very realistic for him.

Yes thay are and I am working on them sans the fetish Scenes, need to explore this a little more ....

Nailed it again Gio, In the past 12 months I have had more quality Pussy and I mean exactly what I want from Online then from Cold Approaching.

I usually take 6-8 trips a year and mix gaming in those trips but those have not been very successful, My ratio has been 1 in 3 trips I hit a SNL or SDL, not a good ROI.

Tell me more about the Sugar Daddy Possibilities, SA is working fine but is there a way I can offer my sugar daddyness to the young poon in town with out getting caught ?

Fetish Scenes, I need to explore more of this ......

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Note to Lothario: I'm not suggesting that you stop cold approaching. I'm just saying that for the girls you truly desire, cold approaching may not be the best strategy to use. Using one of those other strategies that I mentioned above may be better..?

Cold Approaching: I can't stop, I'm addicted to Approaching and get a get a serious high from it with tons of Dopamine and endorpin release. (I ain't kidding)

I think I posted it Once before when I was approaching for the first time in Spanish in DR, After 10 Approaches I had 3 numbers and the High I had was better then the High that I got when Banged a 19 y/o Korean Girl.

I live for the moment when I can step out and spit my Game, I simply enjoy Approaching.

I fully understand that cold Approaching is not the best Strategy for me but I will keep on doing it along with Online, SA and whatever other methods I can employ to satisfy myself. If I am not cold Approaching my game starts slipping, I start dressing sloppy, I become lazy, when I'm on the Hunt I'm simply a better man to myself and those around me.

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deluge wrote:
Lothario, have you considered trying to pack on some serious muscle? Dope style with a jacked physique is a rare but killer combo.

Deluge, You should have seen me 10 yrs ago, I was literally Sticks, Cobra didn't see me with my shirt off , I Do have muscles and girls do notice them, Just this morning at work I was in scrubs Some one commented on the Increase in the size of my Arms.

I am 40 fucking years Old and look younger in my current pictures compared to my pics when i was 30 (Dead Seroius) It's hard to pack any more muscle mass then what I have but there is always room for more.

I stepped foot in the Gym at the age of 35 never having bench pressed in my life, I started with the bar only, now I can lift my body weight of 160 with a 1 rep max 185. It's still a struggle but i make it to the Gym 3-4 times a week and keep a eye on diet.

Deluge, you are one of the members on my list to meet one day.

[LeBeau]

Happy to see all the positivity on this page, this is how I imagine more and more RVF meetups now:

[Deluge]

If America is anything like Australia, the quality of women and their openness to brown men is much higher in the major cities then in the small towns and country cities. Although I do hear that Australia is better than the US for non-white men in general. Moving would be a serious boon for your sex life, but I wouldn't do it if it means harming your career etc.

[TheSlayer]

(09-04-2014 08:01 PM)Deluge Wrote:  

If America is anything like Australia, the quality of women and their openness to brown men is much higher in the major cities then in the small towns and country cities. Although I do hear that Australia is better than the US for non-white men in general. Moving would be a serious boon for your sex life, but I wouldn't do it if it means harming your career etc.

Canada is like that too or very similar from what I have seen and heard from my friends. It does make logical sense too, in large metropolitan cities where you have different races with a lot of mixing there isn't any social stigma to seeing people outside your race (for men or women).