[Laner]

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Understanding this is important for inner game, I believe. A lot of young guys get pretty hard on themselves when it comes to approaching and trying to get somewhere with their female peers. The thing is that half of the women they are dealing with are actually insane, so many of the failures/rejections they have could very well not even be their fault.

Good point. And this is not just for younger guys either.

I have been dropping some data on Sweden and how I am tuning my game in order to "figure out the women". Well, in many ways its more of coming to terms that many of the younger girls are not mentally developed enough to carry on a normal social interaction (without her friends and alcohol) and even then the conversation is strictly superficial.

So I feel this information is for guys of all ages who sometimes tap into the younger age girls. Without questioning what went wrong, its easier to move on because its likely that nothing went wrong, she was interested (at fleeting moments of time) but has now forgotten and is on to new interesting things that can distract her between status updates.

Looking at my last two months I have about a 50% flake rate with girls in their early 20's, where as with girls over 25 I am at 0% flake rate.

[SVK]

(02-27-2012 01:47 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

We sit here trying to figure out why women do the things they do these days (the thug worship, the attention whoring, the cock-carousel riding, absolute hatred of genuinely nice guys, etc, etc). We're beating ourselves up trying to understand what is going on, when in at least half of the cases the answer is clear and simple:

Bitches be crazy (literally).

Great post Athlone. I too subscribe to the Bitches be crazy philosophy when dealing with women. Even the provably sane good girls are afflicted with the "female condition": too emotional, moody, able to rationalize just about anything, often needy, jealous, etc.
The solution is to disregard whatever they say and just do your own thing. YOU come first. Zero percent flakiness tolerance. Zero percent bullshit tolerance.

[Gixxermuscle]

"How women view male authority"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejSq-_NzA...re=related

[Giovonny]

(02-27-2012 01:47 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Bitches be crazy (literally).

I agree. I might even say that the whole world is crazy. (literally)

But, I want to ask you...

Knowing what we know about women, that alot of them are crazy.

What, in your opinion, is the next "logical" question???

This is a serious question and I'm curious to hear your answer as well as the answer of anyone else.

For me, the next "logical: question came to mind immediately. I'm just wondering what other guys think.

I don't know if I'm crazy or not myself sometimes..

[Greek kamaki]

We have also to take into account the mass production effect.Girls like the unusual and eccentric guys but only to a degree.If you are very unusual you may appear threatening to her relations with other guys.On the other hand if you are completely similar to the other guys you may appear boring and detrimental.So there is a fine line.Sometimes especially when I was younger I liked to cross this fine line but now with experience I focus on the simple stuff.

For example you run pick up and the girl worries:Why have I never heard this line before? Does he try to play smart or what?Or she may worry:Again the same line 1000 guys have used before.So you need to calibrate.How social is she?If she is social she will like a line she has heard 50 times but not 1000.If she is not very social she will like a unique line.

Greek women here tend to keep you inside boundaries they never let you run high game because it appears threatening but foreign women allow this.It is like a Greek woman will cut you off because she wants to be available to rich guys with no game as well and if you run high game you may scare them off.So she lets you run game only if you have all the other prerequisites.If you don't have them she cuts you off from the start.

For example if Mic Jagger came to a woman and told her what a cute ass and grabbed it she would be flattered.If the average Jo does the same she will call the police.So the person who tells the line matters a lot and girls respond to the person not to the line.But you can fuck things up when you remove the person when you become invinsible.This is internal game how to feel invisible.

[Excelsior]

(02-28-2012 05:00 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I agree. I might even say that the whole world is crazy. (literally)

American women 18-25 are the craziest in the developed world. True story-the stats don't lie.
While women everywhere have their issues, young American girls are going to have significantly more than others, which explains all of our observations about the crazy mate choices they tend to make. The rest of the Anglosphere is probably right behind them, though I'd bet on their being a significant gap.

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Knowing what we know about women, that alot of them are crazy.

What, in your opinion, is the next "logical" question???

This is a serious question and I'm curious to hear your answer as well as the answer of anyone else.

For me, the next "logical: question came to mind immediately. I'm just wondering what other guys think.

If I'm being honest, I have to say that i'm not sure how to answer this or what you're asking.
More elaboration would be useful.

[Giovonny]

What I mean is, how should we use this information? Whats the best and/or most productive was to apply it to the real world?

"Logically" speaking, whats our next move?

Anyone got any ideas?

I want to see if my "logic" matches up with some of your guys' "logic".

My answer came to me immediately.

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[Excelsior]

(02-28-2012 06:30 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

What I mean is, how should we use this information? Whats the best and/or most productive was to apply it to the real world?

If you mean what we can draw from this going forward, I think the following:

1. Don't take girls too seriously. Remember, if you're 18-25 then half of them aren't even sane, and the words of nuts don't have much value. don't get worked up about their behavior too much, and don't put too much stock into what they say. And when you meet a new one, assume the worst until she has proven otherwise.

2. Don't get so down on yourself as a young guy. You may think you're a loser because you get shot down by these chicks more than you'd like, but this isn't always the case: you're often dealing with nutty girls with nutty criteria. Even the right moves can be wrong with a crazy person.

3. Don't try to argue or reason with them. Many simply are not capable of rational thoght in the way you think. You'll get nowhere playing by their rules, so play by your own.

4. Take girls off the pedestal. This is tough for young guys, but it has to be done. Many of these young girls are nuts, and they clearly don't belong up there. It does not matter how attractive they are.

5. Crazy works with crazy. Roosh has already said this, but it bears repeating: to get with the average young American woman, you're going to need to find your own inner bit of crazy. Dysfunctional treatment is all they tolerate (remember, they are not rational enough to demand better treatment-only the sane do this), so give it to them or go without. Like I said in another thread, you'll need to devolve if you want to succeed with the average young American woman.

This is all I got. If you have any other ideas, feel free to share.

[Giovonny]

(02-28-2012 07:31 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

If you mean what we can draw from this going forward, I think the following:

1. Don't take girls too seriously. Remember, if you're 18-25 then half of them aren't even sane, and the words of nuts don't have much value. don't get worked up about their behavior too much, and don't put too much stock into what they say. And when you meet a new one, assume the worst until she has proven otherwise.

2. Don't get so down on yourself as a young guy. You may think you're a loser because you get shot down by these chicks more than you'd like, but this isn't always the case: you're often dealing with nutty girls with nutty criteria. Even the right moves can be wrong with a crazy person.

3. Don't try to argue or reason with them. Many simply are not capable of rational thoght in the way you think. You'll get nowhere playing by their rules, so play by your own.

4. Take girls off the pedestal. This is tough for young guys, but it has to be done. Many of these young girls are nuts, and they clearly don't belong up there. It does not matter how attractive they are.

5. Crazy works with crazy. Roosh has already said this, but it bears repeating: to get with the average young American woman, you're going to need to find your own inner bit of crazy. Dysfunctional treatment is all they tolerate (remember, they are not rational enough to demand better treatment-only the sane do this), so give it to them or go without. Like I said in another thread, you'll need to devolve if you want to succeed with the average young American woman.

Excellent post Athlone!

That should be required reading for all newbies!

(02-28-2012 07:31 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

5. Crazy works with crazy. Roosh has already said this, but it bears repeating: to get with the average young American woman, you're going to need to find your own inner bit of crazy.

This is the one that hits home with me. I have always embraced my own inner craziness and used it to my advantage. I learned at a young age that girls like crazy. I was never afraid to be different and extreme, girls always seemed to like it. Especially, when I have good popularity, crazy and popular is a panty-dropping, p#ssy-moistening combination!

(02-28-2012 05:40 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Girls like the unusual and eccentric guys but only to a degree. If you are very unusual you may appear threatening to her relations with other guys. So there is a fine line.

I like to cross that line. I would rather error on the side of crazy then error on the side of conservative. That's the way I've always been, I like to push the limits in life. Sometimes it gets me in trouble but it has also gotten me alot of girls.

Craziness can often be a turn on to girls. The element of danger and unpredictability is probably exciting to them. It gives them an emotional reaction. It also encourages them to release their own inner craziness around you, which is when the fun starts!!

Im my experience, extreme behavior attracts freaks, sexually aggressive girls, and excitement seekers, while at the same time scaring away the prudes and conservatives. It's sort of a filter.

Honestly, the crazier I behave the better my sex life.

[cibo]

(02-28-2012 06:12 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

American women 18-25 are the craziest in the developed world. True story-the stats don't lie.
While women everywhere have their issues, young American girls are going to have significantly more than others, which explains all of our observations about the crazy mate choices they tend to make. The rest of the Anglosphere is probably right behind them, though I'd bet on their being a significant gap.

Good posts, thanks for the citation, very scholarly.

Anyway, I want to add a few points about the methodology of the survey.

The survey sampled random people and asked them to take the survey which means it is representative of both reported and unreported crazies of the general population. Maybe a slight bias for the people accepting to take it. But, I think it's minor.

Also the National Mental health survey removes mental
illness that was a result of:
Heredity
Accident
and i believe drug additions that result in mental illness.

Meaning, it is very likely that the 18-25 range is over the 41% figure. If I had to estimate, I'd say around 50%.

2nd, adding to your point, I think outside of UK, there is a drop off in mental illness. But for Britain, it is very much in line with the US figures. Having lived in London for nearly 3 years, I always say England is about 80%-85% the same as the US. There's nearly as many iphones in London as in New York. They all watch the same shitty American reality TV shows. And, it has 44% overweight population vs the US's 66%.

There might be some variations on some of the themes. Like Essex Girls instead of Jersey Shore, they think their masters from Oxbridge/LSE makes them more attractive while US girls think their Ivy masters does, or eating fried chicken and Chips vs pizza after a night of binge drinking. But, the story is the same. They're just as fucked up as the US.

Honestly, when you're aboard you see how much US culture affects people. I believe if you want to stop American style insanity from spreading worldwide, you start with winning the battle at home.

[Deluge]

(03-03-2012 09:47 AM)cibo Wrote:  

Honestly, when you're aboard you see how much US culture affects people. I believe if you want to stop American style insanity from spreading worldwide, you start with winning the battle at home.

The good news is that obesity rates in the developed world have stopped increasing. Meanwhile, Google searches for feminism have declined over the last 12 years. All hope is not lost.