[european_lover]

My impressions were also not too good: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-1219-p...#pid153806

What a pity, the girls are super hot.

[MiXX]

Does anyone familiar with Ukraine have intel on Ivano-Frankivisk?


Mixx

[timmy21]

(02-07-2012 10:49 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Does anyone familiar with Ukraine have intel on Ivano-Frankivisk?

I live in the far east of Ukraine, and have only passed through Ivano Frankivsk on one occasion, but I can tell you this, the city is very beautiful, one of the most beautiful cities in the country, and one of the best places to live in Ukraine, if you're thinking about moving to this country, the city is situated very close to the Carpithian Mountains, if you enjoy skiing, there are a few resorts close by, the people in this city are very, very nationalistic, bassically they don't want anything to do with Russia, on 5 News (an all Ukrainian 24 hour news channel) I see many news clips of people protesting, in this city, they hate the current Ukraine president who has/wants close ties to Russia, they speak only Ukrainian language but, if you speak Russian, being a foreigner, I don't think you'll have problems with any locals. All Ukraine cities this size will have a few good night clubs, a few good city parks, nice cafes, restaurants, and a good size university. The religion is mainly Catholic with some Orthodox, As far as the girls, I am sure you'll easily find some gems, but keep in mind, the most beautifuil girls in the country live in the east, not the west. but, I think the girls in the west may be less materialistic, with fewer games, just a guess on my part.

Mixx

[MiXX]

(02-07-2012 11:11 PM)timmy21 Wrote:  

I live in the far east of Ukraine, and have only passed through Ivano Frankivsk on one occasion, but I can tell you this, the city is very beautiful, one of the most beautiful cities in the country, and one of the best places to live in Ukraine, if you're thinking about moving to this country, the city is situated very close to the Carpithian Mountains, if you enjoy skiing, there are a few resorts close by, the people in this city are very, very nationalistic, bassically they don't want anything to do with Russia, on 5 News (an all Ukrainian 24 hour news channel) I see many news clips of people protesting, in this city, they hate the current Ukraine president who has/wants close ties to Russia, they speak only Ukrainian language but, if you speak Russian, being a foreigner, I don't think you'll have problems with any locals. All Ukraine cities this size will have a few good night clubs, a few good city parks, nice cafes, restaurants, and a good size university. The religion is mainly Catholic with some Orthodox, As far as the girls, I am sure you'll easily find some gems, but keep in mind, the most beautifuil girls in the country live in the east, not the west. but, I think the girls in the west may be less materialistic, with fewer games, just a guess on my part.

Thanks, and welcome to the forum timmy21, I look forward to some data sheets on Ukraine and other cities you feel you can drop knowledge on for us.

+1

Mixx

[Deb Auchery]

A recent shag of mine was from Ivano Frankivsk, she said it's ok but nightlife is pretty bad.

She's actually moved to my city now to look for work because there is nothing there

[Greek kamaki]

Ukraine regarding girls(and socioeconomic environment) is divided into give parts:
1.Western Ukraine (Lvov, Rovno,Lutsk,Ivanofrankovsk,Cernivtsi,Uzgorod)
2.Kiev
3.Eastern Ukraine (Kharkov,Poltava,Lugansk)
4.Donbass(Donetsk,Dnepropetrovsk,Zaporozije,Mariupol)
5.South Ukraine (Odessa,Kherson,Crimea)
Girls in each region look very different from the other.In western Ukraine they look close to polish girls.In eastern Ukraine they look close to Russian girls In south Ukraine they have some Mediterranean features.In Kiev they look mixed between west and east.In Donbass they have distinct look (classic Donbas chick straight black hair, slim with stilettos).I will try to post photos if I find.
For the first time traveller it is unnecessary to know all the specific details about girls character according to region.Generally speaking in western Ukraine girls as more close to polish are less likely to ask for money if they like you.They are likely to want to marry you and try to cut off your expenses.They also want you to stay with them and may present you to their parents.These are the good girls in western Ukraine and are the majority there.
In Donbass most girls are gold diggers.They expect you to pay for everything and start relationship by presents.In fact they well tell you to buy them a present.But on the bright side the gold digger you will find in Donbass will be hotter than the good girl you will get in western Ukraine.As I said before it is matter of taste.

[Greek kamaki]

Kiev girls: Kiev girls are very unique in Ukraine.They are the most emancipated girls all around.They have several boyfriends and are open to all sorts of sexual explorations(threesomes,anal, whatever you want).Lots of them are bi and introduce you their girlfriends in no time.Kiev girls are mainly attracted by wealthy older foreigners although younger ones can also have a bite.In Kiev the main problem are the expenses.Even if a girl is not a gold digger asking for presents the date expenses are high because the city is expensive.Keep in mind though that Moscow for example is two times more expensive than Kiev but Minsk is now less expensive due to Belarus ruble devaluation to get a perspective.
So if you can afford the date expenses Kiev is by far the best city in Ukraine because you date multiple girls at a time.
In Kiev it is totally normal to walk down Kresatik and talk to girls.They even expect that sitting here and there or walking in companies all dolled up in breath taking outfits.Best club in Kiev is De Luxe full of hot chicks.There is also Decadence where you will see models.In these clubs girls can be denied entrance due to looks.So only hot chicks get in and you will be surprised by the extremely high quality it is almost unbelievable and not representative of what you see in the city in the morning.

So Kiev has lots of options and all of them good.Day game with collecting numbers and dating, internet game and night game with one night stands all work perfectly.Most girls also speak English to an extent but you will be better if you speak Russian.

In Donbass you cannot run easily day game and in western Ukraine night game is not so good as in other areas because girls put up Butch Shields.But in western Ukraine day game is a piece of cake and this is where I mostly relief on.I could even

[Excelsior]

(02-09-2012 03:24 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In Donbass they have distinct look (classic Donbas chick straight black hair, slim with stilettos).

Something like this? She's from Druzhkivka.

[Greek kamaki]

This is close to classic Donbass look apart from the fact Donbass girls do not have so big breasts on average.They have darker hair than western Ukrainian girls and are mostly thin.They are also shorter than western Ukrainian girls with an average of about 164 cm.Generally Ukrainian girls are shorter than Russian and one reason is relative malnutrition.

[Deb Auchery]

Good information Greek.

Spot on with regard to western Ukrainian women, I find western Ukrainian women a bit pig-like sometimes ; light skin, rosy cheeks, snouty noses!, which is the typical Polish look.

As you also said, they are more conservative and much better for LTR. But Eastern Ukrainian women make me the horniest, tall, dark, bigger breasts, sexier bodies etc.

That said, i'm not into buying girls presents, if I really like the girl after I've screwed her then sure. But here in the west of the country, they are more likely to buy stuff for me.

[Greek kamaki]

It is matter of taste.For you polish girls may look like pigs but for others they look good.Generally with slavic girls one should focus on body and disregard face face is O.K. body is magnificent.

[timmy21]

Greek Kamaki, I think you're pretty spot on regarding the looks of Ukraine girls, but I would say that in the east; which includes Donbass, the girls on average are taller than their western Ukraine counterparts, I really like the look of the east Ukraine girls simply because they have a strong Russian mix, and in my opinion, girls who are Russian/Ukrainian are the most beautiful girls on the planet. To be honest, these girls took me awhile to figure out, being materialistic is a understatement, they most certainly ask for gifts and are not shy about it, but of course they want a strong man, who'll stand up to them if need be, and if you stand up to them, I think you'll score more points than if you buy them what they want, when I moved here, I made many mistakes with these girls, lots of mistakes, but I ve learned and now I really enjoy dating them, I enjoy being with them, I like to take them to nice restaurants for a great dinner, if you can speak their language they are really interesting company.

[timmy21]

On an unrelated matter, if anyone is planning a visit to Ukraine anytime soon, come prepared, very, very prepared, the whole country is in a deep freez, maybe not so much Crimea, but everywhere else, the overnight lows are like -30C and the daytime high may reach -15, if you're lucky, for the past 25 days the temps have been no where near normal, which is like -4 for this time of year, and there's no end in sight, at least for the next 2 weeks anyway, if you come I recommend you bring a good quality down coat, double stichted tees, good quality pull over sweaters, good qualtiy well insulated shoes or boots, thermals, just bottems, you'll also need good head gear, once in Ukraine you can easily find the traditional Russian head gear, these are nice, but in most cases they dont cover the ears, you can find good quality gloves here as well at a very good price, good thick, warm socks are important, easy to find here, but if you have big feet like me, (size 14), you wont find your size, Ukraine guys have little feet, so make sure you bring these items with you. Thus far, there has been an est. 140 deaths caused because of the cold, keep in mind that 90 percent of these deaths are alcohol related, guys getting so druck they simply pass out, so dress warm.

[Greek kamaki]

Personally I have to disagree about height.Western Ukrainian women are definetely taller even if by 2-3 cm on average.We have to keep in mind that malnutrition plays a big role in Ukraine so it can happen in a western area despite the genes the girls to be shorter because in Donbass living conditions are slightly better(most of industry relies there).

As for mentality in western Ukraine a very similar to polish mentality prevails and this is good for guys on budget.In Donbass you really need to blow some money as we say here girls expect material support and make this obvious.

Anyway many of these issues are more complicated than that but I am not sure about the other guys experience and interest in topic if they want to deepen more or not because it is esoteric stuff slavic and European.

[Pilgrim37]

(02-09-2012 06:38 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(02-09-2012 03:24 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

In Donbass they have distinct look (classic Donbas chick straight black hair, slim with stilettos).

Something like this? She's from Druzhkivka.

Talk about Golddigger!
She's sucking the $$$ out of my wallet just be looking at me

[Deb Auchery]

(02-10-2012 08:15 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Personally I have to disagree about height.Western Ukrainian women are definetely taller even if by 2-3 cm on average.We have to keep in mind that malnutrition plays a big role in Ukraine so it can happen in a western area despite the genes the girls to be shorter because in Donbass living conditions are slightly better(most of industry relies there).

As for mentality in western Ukraine a very similar to polish mentality prevails and this is good for guys on budget.In Donbass you really need to blow some money as we say here girls expect material support and make this obvious.

Anyway many of these issues are more complicated than that but I am not sure about the other guys experience and interest in topic if they want to deepen more or not because it is esoteric stuff slavic and European.

Have to agree to disagree on that, i've been thinking of moving to Eastern Ukraine because I find the girls taller and bigger breasted, i'm 1.97m tall.

Do these girls expect you to buy them a present just to get them into bed?. Are we talking a box of Ferrero Rocher?, or perfume or some shit?

Most of the girls I'm seeing now are 16-22, so at that age(here at least), many have not hit the money-gabbing phase.

Where is Donbass?

[Greek kamaki]

Present or direct cash.In eastern Ukraine you can get a bunch of very beautiful girls and their girlfriends if you are willing to spend.In some cases they take you home and you have to pay for their expenses give them some money daily.In western Ukraine this does not happen.They stay with you for free but they expect you to marry them so if you do not commit they start playing mental games.It is similar to Poland's situation.

As for height I am not sure how you estimate this.I just stand on road and count the number of girls over 170 cm passing by till they reach 100.So I get the percentage.This percentage was slightly bigger in western Ukraine.Anyway next time there I will make more accurate observations.

Donbass is the industrial region including the cities of Dnepropetrovsk,Donetsk,Zaporoziye and Lugansk oblast.There is also Mariupol.Girls in Dnepropetrovsk are short and remind me how grls in Kiev looked 10 years ago(before immigration started to Kiev from other regions of Ukraine).Girls in Donetsk look a bit taller and have black hair while in Dnepropetrovsk they are mostly blonde.Girls in Mariupol have some mediteranean features due to some Greek presence there.Girls in Mariupol are easier but Mariupol looks very run down and there is no open place to hit girls while Donetsk has a whole lot of possibilities.

In Dnepropetrovsk only night game and internet game bring results but girls ask directly for presents.The caliber of girls you can hit is practically unlimited in case you are willing to spend on presents.In western Ukraine you hit the best 10% of girls in the market but not the top 5% or 1% as a foreigner.Since 20% of girls are good looking this means that by being in the 10% range you are likely to land a cute girl(although not a model it is exactly the same situation as in Poland,to be more precise the girl you wish to have in Poland but you cannot

[Deb Auchery]

Yeah I have never been in a position where a girl has hinted she wants some money or me to buy her something in the west of Ukraine which is good. Good looking guys with cash here are in short supply, especially foreigners, I'm in the top 0.1%.

It's pretty widely considered the taller girls are in East Ukraine, every time they come to this city I get horny because of their long legs, dark features, and they dress v sexy.

I like tall leggy blondes the best, but in Ukraine they seem in short supply. Second best for me would be the Mediterranean type girls, like the ones you were talking about in Mariupol, but Mariupol looks like a dump.

Donetsk is definitely somewhere I will check out soon, whats your take on Odessa and Kharkiv?

In this city 7's are in abundance, i'm mostly focusing on models at the moment. There's one that's an 8.5, she's tall dark and skinny, from Kharkiv originally, even she told me girls from the East are tall like her.

[timmy21]

I really think on average the taller girls reside in the east, in my city, a very industrial city in the Donbass Region, the girls for the most part (many) are my ideal, tall, long black hair, deep blue eyes, and a great ass, I just love this look, a good looking girl here will expect money, and nice gifts, and I have no problem with this, as long as I am banging her, if there's sex, there will be gifts and money, and to be honest, I really dont mind giving these girls money and gifts, if I am banging her like a fucking gladiator, it's no problem, a nice bottle of perfume, you're looking ast maybe 450 гр, a nice pair of earriings maybe $150 to $200, I strickly follow the three date rule, if there's no sex after three dates, there'll never be sex; then it's simply time to move on.

[Deb Auchery]

Damn, I wouldn't spend $200 on my own girlfriend , this is clear cut prostitution.

Just to be clear - they expect gifts in order to fuck them?, or to keep fucking them?

So I guess a girl would much rather fuck for gifts than fuck a guy because she find him attractive? It would be like trying to get a freebie from a prostitute - aint gonna happen.

[Pilgrim37]

No gifts until a good run of rumpy pumpy ,apart from a coffee or alcoholic beverage is a good rule....

...unless you just desperately need to fuck and you know it'll happen with a gift!


Absolutely love that tall,slim,long black hair with blue or green eyes and great ass combo too....only the finest Latinas trump that for me.

[chochemonger1]

(02-11-2012 09:58 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Damn, I wouldn't spend $200 on my own girlfriend , this is clear cut prostitution.

Just to be clear - they expect gifts in order to fuck them?, or to keep fucking them?

So I guess a girl would much rather fuck for gifts than fuck a guy because she find him attractive? It would be like trying to get a freebie from a prostitute - aint gonna happen.


Deb, you might be the exception to the rule in Ukraine as a solo dolo foreigner, because of your height and good looks. From the info ive gotten from the forum, ill take a polish 7 who will be grateful for being with me over a ukranian wench who is an 8 or 9, but who will see me as a money bag.