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I think in the west it's both simultaneously. I noticed the part in the cartoons where they talk about controlling by inflicting pain vs. inflicting pleasure. Alcohol is an example where they do both at the same time. The cathedral is clearly promoting a culture of drunken debauchery. Girls should be free to get blind drunk with no risks. Girls should wait for marriage and avoid serious relationships for 15 years after puberty, but should party and date bad boys and have fun until then. But at the same time, they have the DUI Industrial Complex geared up to extract maximum money and pain from drinkers, and they have neo-temperance movement types redefining four drinks in one drinking episode as a "binge".

Everyone is a criminal, by design.