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(09-24-2011 06:22 PM)basilransom Wrote:  

(09-22-2011 07:23 PM)that guy Wrote:  

Lol at Steve Reeves being 100% natural, you lose all credibility for that. Steve Reeves was the one who introduced them to Marnul who introduced them to Arnold. They were legal back in the day and EVERYONE used them. You have no idea what your talking about, you just put up little emoticons in an attempt to be funny because everything you've said has zero substance.

I looked into it, and he may in fact have taken steroids, but there's no solid evidence either way. If he did do it, he probably started after he retired from bodybuilding, as they were introduced around the mid 50's. Reeves won Mr. Universe in 1950. Whatever the case, there are plenty of lifters who were as big as Reeves or bigger without using steroids. Go to any D1 college and you'll see some big guys. The idea that you can't put on a few pounds is ridiculous. You may never look like a top natural lifter, but you can still gain considerable muscle.

(09-23-2011 07:53 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

"Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." - Les Brown

Telling guys that they'll never be like the men they're striving to become is a really shitty outlook. We're all here because we decided to stop being average and become something better. Most of us will never be in the legendary tier of men, but if we push for that goal then where we do end up will still put us miles ahead of the rest.

There's no need to promise the moon. A powerful physique is attainable given sufficient effort.

(09-24-2011 04:57 PM)that guy Wrote:  

Ummm, actually I'm not skinny at all. My body type is very close to the UFC figure in the first set of pictures (the 2.9%). Anyway, I think you both are completely missing what I am saying our are just out of touch.

Yes, there is an ideal male body type, hence why the majority of women picked the same one. Obviously there are outliers and personality can compensate for anything, but judging strictly by bodytype generally speaking there is an ideal one. In fact, the discussion came up when she saw me drinking a protein shake because she thought I was trying to get even bigger and was trying to talk me out of it.

I'm guessing you are a very muscular person who has no problems getting women, and are attributing your success to your physique even though it really has more to do with some other factor, such as confidence or personality.

Think of the thin but fit man and super muscular man and compare them to a model girl and a pornstar. Most men would marry the model and fuck the pornstar on the side. In the same way, more women would gravitate towards the natural looking male for a relationship partner. Not to mention, alot of women have negative stereotypes about the super muscular men and will put them through more hoops. Now if you asked the women in this survey which guy would you have a one night stand with and never see again, I suspect that the more muscular men would fair better, though I doubt they would overtake Brad Pitt.

Also, it is important to note where you go looking for women. If you are a nightclub guy, I would guess more of those women are the types that prefer the more muscular men. If you are doing alot of daygaming in a coffee shop or bookstore, probably not so much.

1. Having muscle doesn't require you to be a meathead. There's a game blogger who's pretty big, but he makes it a point to not talk about working out and such, and playing up his other interests. The muscles speak for themselves.

2. You said that girls prefer muscular guys for a short term fling. But once you've banged a girl, you've got a lot more leverage over whether you see her again or not. I'd rather be the guy who already had a same night lay, than the guy three dates in with no pussy to speak of.

3. Girls say they want all kinds of things in their future husband. Caring, attentive, yada yada. These traits don't help to attract women.

Same for their desired physique - Consider the typical gaming scenario: You've got a matter of minutes to hook her. Girls don't decide they want to make a man their boyfriend until they've at least banged a few times. If you have to attract a young girl quickly, you want to cater to her short term preferences, what she wants in a fling. And younger girls, i.e. under 25, are rarely even looking for boyfriends. Nowadays the pattern is bang him for a while, and then hope he agrees to be your boyfriend.

And women correctly associate high muscularity with promiscuity, and they don't want a promiscuous husband. They want him to be faithful and stick around. In theory, they don't want a guy who is too 'alpha' because he will be trouble down the road. In reality, they may have trouble resisting the alpha regardless. The hotter the girl, the more alpha she can put up with, because she's better able to keep him. And a study and my personal experience suggest hotter girls like muscles more than the plainer girls.

4. I was living with a couple girls years back, and they said the same exact thing. They didn't know what whey is, and told me not to take it because it was 'unnatural' and that I looked 'fine.' I was ~40 lbs lighter. I was like the fat chick that everyone tries to console, that despite what I suspect, I was ideal as is. I also had a girl I was banging at the same time, that told me I was the scrawniest dude she knew.

5. Lastly here's a thought experiment that I wrote earlier: Say the most effective physique for banging attractive women is something like Brad Pitt's, i.e. visibly smaller than what the typical man can acquire. That means that as a guy got bigger than that, his results with women would get worse.

Now, do you hear guys saying that? "Since my bench went past 250, I've been banging fewer girls..." I don't. I asked guys at a lifting forum, and no one said they were doing worse, since getting bigger.

Even if it were due more to confidence than having the actual muscle, being bigger won out.