Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like OP interpreted all of the go signals incorrectly?
From the very outset, it seems as if you have a chip on your shoulder, like this is some sort of competitive doing.
It's cooperative, not competitive. You're not trying to beat these girls, you're trying to help them.
What I think you did right
- you went out
- you went out with a plan
- you used Mystery Method to bounce around the group and understand the relationships
- You took that information and incorporated that into your opener
But once you started to actively try to pull chicks, there's an anger and judgment in your description that colors what were positive results.
Slutty Blonde
"I ran some direct game"
- this may have been a mistake
- this may have been improperly run direct game
One interchange
"Hey I'm not a nice guy, I'm a bad boy" or something silly like that, she'd shit test me and bait me by saying "no I'm not convinced I think this isn't really you and you're actually nice on the inside"."
- she's open, she's talking to you, she's testing you = SHE'S ATTRACTED. Even if she doesn't realize it, even if she wouldn't acknowledge it. Some dork who said that same shit would get indifference, not a response.
When a girl gives you lively responses, some part of her is attracted to you. Given that attraction isn't some logical sequence of deliberate decisions - this is where the rubber meets the vagina. or something like that.
If she's accusing you and putting you on the defensive, it's time for some jiu-jitsu.
"oh you're totally right" you say out loud, meanwhile, you move your hands up her thighs.
Or,
if you're dancing, you turn her around, to grind, and start doggy styling/dry humping her - I'M TOTALLY A NICE GUY.
or
Pick her up by her crotch and plant a kiss on her. "Yup nice guy"
or
Agree, "Yes I am", and then spank her on the butt for being a bad girl.
She's challenging you, and you're refusing to play the game. You're intellectualizing and being word for word rational.
In terms of your game sense, you're making a common mistake and taking the girl seriously. You're still using logic to go back and forth with her on her terms. She's basically gotten you to agree with this whole conversation where she tries to peg you as a nice guy.
Game is rejecting her frame, giving her a better frame, forcing her to accept that frame, and putting her on the defensive. The fact that she's willing to play along in the first place, even though she has no conscious intention to get anal'd later on that night - it's her subconscious, her emotional self, her lizard brain that's acting.
This is the dance!
Believe me dude, I have an afro. Even white DUDES want to touch my hair, cause they're rarely in the presence of NUBIAN GOD FACTOR (LOL)
So if a chick wants to touch you, even if she's trying to pet your head like a good girl- you can get defensive or offensive or offensive (uh-fensive)
You got offended, uh-fensive.
What I typically do in that situation, is look a chick dead in the eye, and then I stroke her hair, the same way you might brush the hair out the face of a girl that's giving you a bj. That sort of "loving caress" can not be misinterpreted.
So you went with a Mystery Method style "keep your hands off the merchandise. That'll be 85 bucks" style response.
Cool.
Now that she wants to play fight?
Do you play fight and use this as an opportunity to
- tickle her
- feel her up
- wrestle her to the ground and ask the crowd if you should finish her?
Naw, you basically stomp off in a huff.
You tried to get a parting shot with an insult, and even then she had something to say back to you - and you didn't escalate.
As a vet, I see 2 chicks that you let fritter away because you didn't interpret their feistiness as signs of being open to being fucked.
As a general rule, if a girl is giving you emotion - she's in to you.
{and even if you don't agree with that intellectually, as I know most of the lurkers won't - next dozen or so times it happens - try to push the interaction towards sex. I guarantee that it surprise you how much you did not realize about the world}
Indeed, if you find yourself getting heated over some broad, a lot of the time it's not the rational issue, it's something on your own lizard brain that wants to conquer that chick and make her submit sexually. This goes for those old wildebeests at your job who give you hard time. That fat wild boar of a woman Gertie? Yeah her. You want her to submit, and the best submission is sexual. You can't be mad at each other when she's sucking your dick.
She may not realize her own physical/sexual attraction to you at the time - but make no mistake - guys that she's not attracted to are INVISIBLE.
You know what that's like. You're invisible to the vast majority of women you come into contact with. Most of your encounters with women are transactional, there's no emotional component on your part or on their part.
When a chick is being emotional with some strange dude, when she's going back and forth - that's when she's most alive and most attracted.
Once you get used to bitches, you might start to welcome them. The goal of the game is about getting them to submit, less about the sex.
WIA
From the very outset, it seems as if you have a chip on your shoulder, like this is some sort of competitive doing.
It's cooperative, not competitive. You're not trying to beat these girls, you're trying to help them.
What I think you did right
- you went out
- you went out with a plan
- you used Mystery Method to bounce around the group and understand the relationships
- You took that information and incorporated that into your opener
But once you started to actively try to pull chicks, there's an anger and judgment in your description that colors what were positive results.
Slutty Blonde
"I ran some direct game"
- this may have been a mistake
- this may have been improperly run direct game
One interchange
"Hey I'm not a nice guy, I'm a bad boy" or something silly like that, she'd shit test me and bait me by saying "no I'm not convinced I think this isn't really you and you're actually nice on the inside"."
- she's open, she's talking to you, she's testing you = SHE'S ATTRACTED. Even if she doesn't realize it, even if she wouldn't acknowledge it. Some dork who said that same shit would get indifference, not a response.
When a girl gives you lively responses, some part of her is attracted to you. Given that attraction isn't some logical sequence of deliberate decisions - this is where the rubber meets the vagina. or something like that.
If she's accusing you and putting you on the defensive, it's time for some jiu-jitsu.
"oh you're totally right" you say out loud, meanwhile, you move your hands up her thighs.
Or,
if you're dancing, you turn her around, to grind, and start doggy styling/dry humping her - I'M TOTALLY A NICE GUY.
or
Pick her up by her crotch and plant a kiss on her. "Yup nice guy"
or
Agree, "Yes I am", and then spank her on the butt for being a bad girl.
She's challenging you, and you're refusing to play the game. You're intellectualizing and being word for word rational.
In terms of your game sense, you're making a common mistake and taking the girl seriously. You're still using logic to go back and forth with her on her terms. She's basically gotten you to agree with this whole conversation where she tries to peg you as a nice guy.
Game is rejecting her frame, giving her a better frame, forcing her to accept that frame, and putting her on the defensive. The fact that she's willing to play along in the first place, even though she has no conscious intention to get anal'd later on that night - it's her subconscious, her emotional self, her lizard brain that's acting.
This is the dance!
Quote: (02-23-2015 09:43 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:
As the night progressed I decided to try my hand at Cleopatra, the young 7,5 philosophy student. My initial banter with her had been playful, but I think I already lost at that point, in that she'd just classified me as one of the many other beta's at the party. She'd even frizzle my hair as if I was some kind of pet.
Believe me dude, I have an afro. Even white DUDES want to touch my hair, cause they're rarely in the presence of NUBIAN GOD FACTOR (LOL)
So if a chick wants to touch you, even if she's trying to pet your head like a good girl- you can get defensive or offensive or offensive (uh-fensive)
You got offended, uh-fensive.
What I typically do in that situation, is look a chick dead in the eye, and then I stroke her hair, the same way you might brush the hair out the face of a girl that's giving you a bj. That sort of "loving caress" can not be misinterpreted.
Quote: (02-23-2015 09:43 AM)dtpilgrim Wrote:
So I decided to confront her (which was silly as it was her houseparty; her court). While she sat in the middle of the couch, a beta to her left and a beta to her right, I told her to keep her hands away from my hair. Nope - still wouldn't take me seriously and she just frizzled it again. I told her to stop again - and she readied her fists as if to playfight...
So you went with a Mystery Method style "keep your hands off the merchandise. That'll be 85 bucks" style response.
Cool.
Now that she wants to play fight?
Do you play fight and use this as an opportunity to
- tickle her
- feel her up
- wrestle her to the ground and ask the crowd if you should finish her?
Naw, you basically stomp off in a huff.
You tried to get a parting shot with an insult, and even then she had something to say back to you - and you didn't escalate.
As a vet, I see 2 chicks that you let fritter away because you didn't interpret their feistiness as signs of being open to being fucked.
As a general rule, if a girl is giving you emotion - she's in to you.
{and even if you don't agree with that intellectually, as I know most of the lurkers won't - next dozen or so times it happens - try to push the interaction towards sex. I guarantee that it surprise you how much you did not realize about the world}
Indeed, if you find yourself getting heated over some broad, a lot of the time it's not the rational issue, it's something on your own lizard brain that wants to conquer that chick and make her submit sexually. This goes for those old wildebeests at your job who give you hard time. That fat wild boar of a woman Gertie? Yeah her. You want her to submit, and the best submission is sexual. You can't be mad at each other when she's sucking your dick.
She may not realize her own physical/sexual attraction to you at the time - but make no mistake - guys that she's not attracted to are INVISIBLE.
You know what that's like. You're invisible to the vast majority of women you come into contact with. Most of your encounters with women are transactional, there's no emotional component on your part or on their part.
When a chick is being emotional with some strange dude, when she's going back and forth - that's when she's most alive and most attracted.
Once you get used to bitches, you might start to welcome them. The goal of the game is about getting them to submit, less about the sex.
WIA