[TheWastelander]

(02-04-2015 04:40 PM)Quintus Curtius Wrote:  

In order to understand where we are now, we need to understand how we got here. These fundamentalist groups (there are several of them operating in Sryria and Iraq, but the biggest are ISIS and Jabhat an-Nusra) were encouraged, funded, trained, and coddled by the intelligence services of the following countries:

United States
Israel
Turkey
Saudi Arabia
Gulf states (Qatar, Abu Dhabi)

The reasons for doing this have been as follows. Each of these countries had its own deeply cynical reasons.

1. United States. The US takes its Middle East policy cues from Israel and Saudi Arabia. Israel and the Saudis told Washington that it needed to fund radical Islamists groups because destabilizing Syria and Iraq helps Israel solidify its control of the occupied territories it is stealing in violation of international law.

Israel also wants to see weak, worthless states on its borders, so it won't face any threats. That is why is wants to overthrow Asad in Syria and told Washington to overthrow Saddam in Iraq. Israel wants to have a flunky regime in Damascus that follows its orders. They want to try to choke off Hezballah's support network, which currently relies on Asad and Iran. Israel would also love to have a flunky, compliant regime in Damascus that they can control, just like they have in Jordan. They want to open Syria up as a market for their goods, and turn it into a client state.

2. Israel. See my explanation above. These radical Islamists are being used by Israel (which conducts airstrikes to help them, and also indirectly funnels arms and money to them) as battering rams to overthrow Asad.

3. Saudi Arabia. They are deeply afraid of Iran and a resurgent Shi'ism in the region, and for this reason they channel money and weapons to these Sunni, Wahabist-type extremists. They stab their own people in the back (the Arabs) to run and kiss the asses of the US and Israel.

4. Turkey. Erdogan has Ottoman delusions in the region. When the demonstrations against Asad began a few years ago, he was promised by his masters in Washington and Israel that Asad would be an easy target to topple. This turned out to be far from the truth. But by then, he had opened his borders to allow radicals back and forth, and he had accepted tons of Gulf Arab money to fund these radical groups like ISIS. Everyone knew they were maniacs, but everyone thought they could use them. Erdogan would love to see a replacement for Asad that would be willing to open its economy to Turkish manufactured goods. So, for him, it's about money and power. A vain, arrogant, and stupid man.

5. Gulf States. They follow orders from Washington and Tel Aviv.

So, the bottom line is that all this fake shock, horror, and outrage by the US at the atrocities of ISIS is bullshit. They are the ones who started this. They are still backing and training rebels in Syria.

So, they are all lying. All of these countries are lying hypocrites.

ISIS exists and kills because some powerful states in the region are providing them with cover, money, and opportunity.

Everything I've said here is fully confirmed by the sources. Do your own research and see for yourself.

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So the respective governments of all these countries have confirmed everything you wrote in your post? A lot of what you wrote makes sense and a lot of it is true from things I've read. However, I doubt the Gulf States have ever confirmed that they take marching orders from Israel and America. I'd also like to see proof that Israel "uses" ISIS, arms, and funds them. Ditto regarding "Israel and the Saudis told Washington that it needed to fund radical Islamists groups because destabilizing Syria and Iraq helps Israel solidify its control of the occupied territories it is stealing in violation of international law."

I'm sure Israel is glad Hezbollah and ISIS are duking it out, but if you're going to make extraordinary claims they require proof.