yes, 10-15 dates without the bang. Here's the problem though. I've known her off and on for a couple years, and in all that time, she has been taken (by another woman, no less), while I've had a gf too. Earlier this year, they "broke up", while I've been having some problems with my own relationship, and I think we connected based on that similarity. Even though she had been broken up with her woman, they still lived together, so she hasn't been sleeping around at all. Today, I think all that is going to change, as she caught her "ex" cheating, or at least banging another girl, so she's now in the process of kicking that girl out. Even today, she suggested she should "just go out and fuck a stranger" just to get revenge, but then admitted she isn't like that. The other problem is, I've grown to actually like this girl, in a possible dating sense, so I'm sure that causes one to sound off the beta horn like crazy, but not intentionally.
As far as the physical stuff, I've kissed her a couple times when drunk, and another time we slept in the same bed (fully clothed), touched each other a little bit, then she fell asleep holding my hand. Light kino is usually in play when we hang out (usually at a bar or restaurant), and the level of kino seemed to progress a little today after the big breakup.
So it feels like I started out in the friend-zone, but might have a golden opportunity to jump out of that zone.
As far as the physical stuff, I've kissed her a couple times when drunk, and another time we slept in the same bed (fully clothed), touched each other a little bit, then she fell asleep holding my hand. Light kino is usually in play when we hang out (usually at a bar or restaurant), and the level of kino seemed to progress a little today after the big breakup.
So it feels like I started out in the friend-zone, but might have a golden opportunity to jump out of that zone.