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(06-09-2011 03:33 PM)playa_with_a_passport Wrote:  

We need to narrow this down even more, since nobody in this forum should be fucking subpar females. The better question is what % of sistas who are above a 5 in looks are hoodrats. It's hard to determine this with scientific certainly because venue selection and neighborhood can skew the results. A wacka Flacka concert may have 100% hoodrats while a "Roots" or "Common" concert might have none. Both fall under the "Hip Hop" umbrella but target different demographics. But on the other side of the coin most fat Black chicks are hoodrats. I can count with 1 hand the number of times that I have met a chubby Black chick without a fucked up attitude but I meet 5 and above with pleasant attitudes all the time. So since most Black women are obese, you are right, chances are that most Black women have hoodrat tendencies.

We pretty much agree then.

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The problem with using entertainers as examples is that we don't know who they really are. Which begs the question is Rie a hoodrat? I don't think so, although she sings about fucking thugs all the time, the guys she's been associAted with are the farthest from screaming "Thug Life"

I think that Rihanna is a pretty good example of the second group of females I outlined earlier in my previous post. She isn't a hoodrat, but appears heavily influenced by that culture and mimics some of their behavior quite well (i.e. pathological thug worship in her music).

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Drake doesn't rhyme about gun play at all or the trap life. Also, before Christ Brown put a foot in her ass he had a squeaky clean image( he made a song with Elmo for chirst sakes) which made his gorilla pimping the most surprising. Jennifer Lopez most fits the description of a hoodrat than does Rhiana(watch her "Behind the Music" episode to see what I am talking about).

I buy that about Drake, but then again for all we know Chris Brown could have always been a hardass behind the scenes.
And LOL @ "gorilla pimping"

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Another problem with using contemporary Black artist as scapegoats for the Black condition is that most of the biggest consumers of Black music are actually White. So if Brothers are shooting each other in Newark because Whiz Khalifa made them to do it, then why isn't Jimmy doing the same thing up in Idaho? I agree Brothers doing dumb nigga shit has to stop but that isn't lil wayne's fault.

I agree. I believe that the messages/behaviors we see in hip hop are really a symptom of a larger cultural issue, not a cause. These artists are just messengers in a way, indicating other trends(some of which I've been mentioning in this thread).

They do have significant cultural influence as individuals, but they aren't driving larger societal trends. They're resultant of them.

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With regards to West Indian women, the difference between them and AA in terms of weight, looks, and attitude isn't as stark as to choose one over the other. Other than the accent the average guy will not even know there's a difference.

Can't agree with that, man. I have spent enough time in the Caribbean to know that there is a pretty distinct difference in weight (no black Caribbean populace approaches black american obesity rates) and attitude (completely different cultural outlook, significantly more conservative and academically focused on the whole). In fact, statistically, Jamaicans have about half the Black American obesity rate. Live in Jamaica, Barbados, etc. for a while and you will see all of this more clearly as you watch them go about their lives.

I will agree that there are large similarities. Many of the Caribbeans who come here FOB can blend in very well, many were already obese, and if they've been raised here long enough they can be carbon copies of other black americans attitude-wise. But there is a significant difference between Caribbean and Black-American culture, one that plays out in economics, education and yes, gender relations/dating.

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Groupies aren't a "Black" phenomenon. Groupies are alive and well in the White community. Check out TmZ or White celebrity magazines every other story is about some chick bragging about fucking someone famous. Shiiiiit, Jesus himself had them. Women have been chasing high status males since the beginning of time. Even Roosh has groupies. Status is to women what big tits and ass is to fellas. I think this is more an American thing where everyone is just obsessed with celebrity.

True. Can't disagree with what you're saying here.