i think the tipping point is when you're big but at the same time fairly lean. you can approach this after 3-4 years of optimal lifting & dieting as a natty... or after a cycle or two lol.
one of the cali numbered posters, thedude234892349 or ognorcal2945253531, said a while back that in terms of appearance for men, it goes face>height>physique>fashion. i agree with this. girls love strong, fit bodies (though the IFBB pro look is too much for them) and working on getting one is key, though face & height will matter more. also, physique game > suit game, and wearing a suit won't mean shit if you don't meet the girl's handsomeness criteria; experience has shown me that it at best adds a point or so to your baseline appearance.
one of the cali numbered posters, thedude234892349 or ognorcal2945253531, said a while back that in terms of appearance for men, it goes face>height>physique>fashion. i agree with this. girls love strong, fit bodies (though the IFBB pro look is too much for them) and working on getting one is key, though face & height will matter more. also, physique game > suit game, and wearing a suit won't mean shit if you don't meet the girl's handsomeness criteria; experience has shown me that it at best adds a point or so to your baseline appearance.