[Tuthmosis]

(05-08-2011 09:15 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

I take it Tuthmosis and Houston, you guys are Latino brothers? Cool to see who is who on this forum. Funny how everyone here is running to South America, while we are running away from it towards the blonde, green-eyed mamacitas.

Race undisclosed. Don't want leave too much of a trail for the Tuthmosis Internet stalkers. I'll PM you with the details.

But, yes, the game of musical chairs that guys of different shades play around the world is pretty damn hilarious. People want what they don't have, I guess.

Man, I could tell you stories.

(05-08-2011 10:01 PM)houston Wrote:  

Great posts everyone. Interesting Tuthmosis. I see what you're saying how its easy to be brushed off as "another hispanic" in the south west unless you bring something to the table. Are u saying to break the stereotype and make the girl see u in another light?

Absolutely. In the absence of what everybody else has, girls want rare shit, hence their obsession with shiny objects that people tell them are rare (i.e., diamonds). A "typical" Latino or black guy is simply not that interesting. And, when they're in abundance in a given area, is actually annoying and objectionable to them.

Keep in mind that this doesn't apply to what I'm terming "mainstream dudes." If you have a mainstream, desirable look, girls will flock to that as the "safe option." Standard, handsome white guys will always benefit from mainstream appeal, just from virtue of market saturation. It's the same reason you see droves of these girl-clones walking around with Ugg boots on their feet and iPhones in their hands.

If you're not mainstream, you better be a rare breed of your off-brand (race). If a girl can't have an iPhone, she wants to have some cool phone no one else has--not some cheap knock-off that's on every street corner.

(05-08-2011 10:21 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

Can you explain what you mean by this?

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Another great thread and post btw.

Thanks, bro. I know some guys don't agree with this philosophy and have all sorts of reasons why it's ineffective or over-generalized.

What I'm saying is that you have to develop several distinct, niche games depending on the "sort" of girl you're targetting--for example your "hipster, white-girl game" or your "first-generation-Mexican-girl-with-a-traditional-family game." There are two important caveats here. First of all, the more narrow your "niche," the more effective it's going to be. Having just a generic "black-girl game," isn't going to get you very far. That's too broad. Second, there are, of course, the natural, obvious flaws in generalizing a group of people, even if it's narrowly defined. There will always be outliers. It's just a guideline, not a gospel.

But, it's helpful to know what style, interests, and--by contrast--objections these groups have. Take the "inner-city, hipster, white-girl" demographic, one of my targets. I know their music, their politics, the type of dude they typically go for, etc (at least in my city). I go into an approach pandering to their tastes on the one hand, but openly defying their pre-conceptions on the other. I might say something really sexist to them, knowing that they have some stupid gender-equality beliefs, just to fuck with them. Then, I might talk about Arcade Fire (the band) or some hip, bullshit, local artist. I may say something good about them or make fun of it, depending on where the approach is going. In either case, I'm showing dominion over her little world. My tone and speech is different than it might be with a sorority babe, Mexican club-hoochie, or some other demographic. They fancy themselves as pretty educated, so I might use some bigger words or use more subtle humor. Just to be clear: I'm not acting or trying too hard, I'm just letting a different part of my rounded personality and experiences come to the fore. It's a little like doing sales. If you're moving pick-up trucks, you have a slightly different pitch for selling to sweet, old grannies versus construction workers.

Meanwhile, my gear might be a little like what she's used to seeing (hipster wear), but with some interesting twists. My general look adapts to a wide audience. Combined with some solid game, this package is going to be a deadly combination: familiar enough to be "safe," but odd enough that you seem "rare." Needless to say, putting this together takes work. It isn't an overnight easy-step.

Cultivate a few of these niche games, and you have some specialties where you'll always succeed in higher numbers. Naturally, your "games" are going to have tons of overlap and, of course, you'll often venture out of your niches, but it's nice to have a knowledge base about given "groups" to fall back on.

That's my approach, anyway.