[Videl]

(09-22-2013 05:22 AM)XXL Wrote:  

1. it might mean a lot of things. maybe she's shy or maybe she's a bitch. you either try different angles to get her attention or ignore her and talk to her friends so that she can see more of your personality.

2. say "ok i see you're not really not enjoying this, i'll give you some time to get talkative, see you later" and you leave.

PS. you don't need two to tango, especially in the beginning of the interaction. learn to be talkative without feedback and just flow flow flow until something sticks. at the same time empathize with her a lot, say stuff like "are you shy? it's ok we're all a little bit shy" or "i can see you're not really open to conversation, that's fine, you can join whenever you want to" and you talk to her friends.

pretty much common sense right? you don't need anything fancy. TALK TO PEOPLE LIKE THEY'RE HUMANS. you'll get much farther doing it than trying some "field tested" trick that's suppose to rescue you. it's not that complicated. i suppose right now you have this big "seduction" idea in mind and think of it like some kind of complicated game of chess and try to figure out the proper moves. get over it. just talk to people. flirt with girls. build connection. add some touch. make it comfortable. stick to the girl until you're alone with her. escalate then. make sweet love

You are right that I could just talk and talk without asking for feedback but I'm not really good at that. Could you provide some tips how to do that and maybe an example?

I actually don't put girls on pedestals, if she likes me she likes me, if don't she don't. I actually made a lot of progress in terms of just social talk. Being just friends with girls. After you have established base they will let you know if they want to take it further with signs girls give.

My problem, or the issue I'm working in terms of self-development is talking to girls who are hard to talk to or don't open right away. I actually made one succesful case with this last night. I talked to this girl, she was not receptive but she was listening and giving feedback. Then I talked to her friend, then she learnt where I was from and suddenly she opened and we had a very long conversation but most of the times I still have trouble getting off a plane of the air by myself. I usually brake eyecontact to think what I'm going to say. I'm not clear what I say sometimes and I fail leading the conversation sometimes but with the last thing I'm getting better. I think when I talk i need to bring down the level of the conversation because I noticed that I purely talk factual instead of emotional base like most girls do.