Train wreck of a post.
Sorry for such a long post, but the thread bothered me.
Too Long? Didn't read? - dude has all the raw material, but he's following the wrong path to game success.
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I suggest everyone watch his approach video. It's only a minute, and you can just FFW to the last 30 seconds.
He's not some weak mamby pamby dude that mumbles his words.
The stats
- 24
- white
- 5'9
- 145
- toned physique, but not jacked
- virgin
- awesome work ethic
- fearless/balls of steel
- has some inner game issues
- lives with mom, in basement, drives a hyundai
But this dude posts actual pictures AND VIDEO of himself.
Who has the balls (or stupidity) to put themselves out there like that?
The prey
- 18-19 year old white girls
- cheerleaders
- only "10"s
- only DTF girls
^as any RVF vet knows, this Barely Legal subset of hotness is the holy grail for the typical dude in the game. Cats will leave friends, family, and jobs to go to Eastern Europe just to make the odds slightly better than they can stuff the muffs of young skinny white chicks. (the benefits of them being more feminine and able to cook get balanced out by your lack of ability to communicate on a deeper level - but that's prolly snobbery and sour grapes on my part after dealing with this subset many times)
The method
- mix of day game and night game
- 6 months, everyday, all day (no job, no school)
- aggressive
- pull them back to HIS CAR
- using instadates
- using text and social media
Some negatives, some positives
If I was this dude? I'd be SWIMMING IN 18 YEAR OLD BLONDE PUSSY.
And the dudes on that board? fucking idiots. I'm pretty much suspicious of all the boytoystory and goodlookingloser, as I am the RSD posts that show up here. But seeing the advice that the mods were giving, and how the regulars were talking to him - EEDIOTS
Their advice
- Surgery?
- Hit the gym? Put on 20 lbs of muscle?
- Cut your hair
- don't cut your hair
- wear pink, don't wear pink, wear dark clothes
You notice how few if any of them comment on what he actually says during his approach?
Which brings me to a larger point that has been kinda rolling around in the back of my mind, but this post helped me crystallize it a bit.
There are a lot of pick up philosophies that just feed the male mind.
Society has planted in our mind what it means to be a man, and little by little that meaning has come under assault from various factions.
So a lotta you cats in your 20's and younger, hell some of us in our 30's, we've been missing those masculine values.
So a lot of pick up, dark triad, men's rights, mgtow, red pill - they just blow the dust off of those male concepts and feed that shit to you unadulterated.
Vital medicine that a lot of us need.
You'll swear your cock gets bigger everytime you read Roissy (no homo)
But reminding ourselves on how to be men
- getting strong
- making money
- traveling
- really experiencing life
- et cetera
That shit is ANCILLARY to bedding women. It's a supplement, maybe even a complement to GAME.
That's what that site is feeding him.
Be a better man, and the bitches will get on their knees.
Say what you want about Speed Seduction, NLP, Mystery Method, and all that old shit - but a big key to the success anyone had with it - was really trying to focus on how women think and their behavior.
*And as a brief aside, 10 years ago, maybe because it was a bunch of computer nerds - everyone talked about their success in MINUTE detail - cats don't do this, which means they don't really pay attention to what's going on when they're out there trying to fuck chicks. So when something fucks up, they don't know what to think about and analyze*
Pick up was basically mind hacking.
You were trying to say things to a chick to put her in a spot.
What you did verbally would make her react logically and emotionally.
At the highest level, when you're really on top of it, your words can cause a chick to physically react - blushing, turning away, putting her legs together, causing her to touch you.
A lot of modern day stuff focuses primarily on what used to be called external game.
Muscles, Clothes, Money, Housing, Car, Logistics..
Build the right lifestyle and more girls come into your life.
Focus on your passive game, and you'll reap rewards.
I personally advocate that everyone trying to bed chicks do these things.
They will make you a better man, and put you into a different class of pussy altogether.
But there is still active game.
And a big part of active game is breaking through a chick's natural hesitance to open her legs for strange meat.
For us older cats, we can't really be in the gym going ass to grass with 400+ lbs on our shoulders like we did in our mid 20s.
And relying on lifestyle (which is really just showing off wealth and power in a non-flashy way), can attract the wrong kind of chick. Believe me, I know. Broad would come to the flat in DC and she was already mentally moving herself in.
"I can see myself as the girlfriend/wife of a successful professional"
Even a so-called good girl, a non gold digger, will kick in her hypergamy when she senses that you might be a good long term bet. Alpha enough to get her into your bed, with enough largesse that the bed has nice sheets.
So it comes back to what you say to a chick when she gives you the opportunity to talk to her.
The active game.
That's his main problem. He is unaware of active game. He thinks he knows, but he actually doesn't it.
He mentions that he did better with Mystery Method. Which brings him some kind of pain.
Reading further, there's a bit of an argument that different pick up methods work for different Archetypes better. A 6'2" super jacked, tight clothes wearing, swearing, hard drinking dude would have a very hard time pulling bitches at Tegan and Sara show, the same way a 5'2" guy couldn't pretend to be a pro-baller. (bowler maybe...)
A lot of people believe that there needs to be congruence between how you look and your game.
These same people will also routinely not understand how a 5'10 model chick who wears 5" heels on the regular gets with a dude that's 5'8".
They see it, but they have to rationalize it some other way.
It can't be true, not for them to keep their world view. Rather than let new information change the way they think, they ignore it.
That's *his* primary inner game issue.
He's stuck on the idea that phenotype determines destiny.
But a lotta guys in the game believe this bullshit. (lot of em Roissy readers - cheap shot, I know)
They see a fat dude with a hot chick, and they think - rich, coke dealer, gay friend...
They see a good looking dude with a busted chick, and think - he has low self esteem, or she must have pornstar level dick sucking skills.
They don't see that the game isn't primarily played on the physical and visual level. People get each other to behave in certain ways primarily by motivating them through pain avoidance and pleasure seeking, and that happens all kinds of ways.
So his technical problems are
1. He doesn't understand game. (and nobody on that board understands it either - so they can't help him)
And aside from all the other problems this guy has, he really doesn't know what to say to a chick.
He's basically a "social robot" that has internalized all of the techniques, understands the theory from one pov, but he doesn't realize the empathy, and getting into a woman's mind that is required for success.
If you read the thread closely, he's analyzed the language and kino of who ever "Good Looking Loser" is, and basically done the same thing 500 times.
The model over there seems to be
- look jacked
- wear cool clothes
- spot a bitch
- step up to her
- screen for her DTF
- put your hands on her, kino
- close (kiss, instadate, fuck-close)
And most of the "bro's" there seem to just parrot that model back to him, despite the fact that's what he's been doing for 6 months, every single day, without a day off.
That right there is a major sign to me, but that entire board thinks that Ex-Jock game is merely "running the same play as the pro's"
That being said, I really got to give the dude props. I'm close to 3 figures in lays, but I know I haven't done 500 approaches, much less 500 approaches of the hottest bitches I've ever seen in my life. I wish I had his pussy work ethic.
2. Bad target choices,
He's shooting for the hottest chicks (many options, super flaky) in the flakiest demographic (young bitches with internet/social media ADD)
Plus 18-19 year old chicks, they might not be the most down to fuck as a class. Lotta them still haven't been pounded by too many dicks. (that's what college is for)
3. Horrible Logistics
He focuses on 18-19 year old chicks who probably live at home with their parents, or with hating ass roommates that don't want some random guy walking around in his boxers on a Tuesday morning.
He talks about pulling chicks back to his car (because he can't take them home)
Notice how he never puts himself into the head of these chicks.
"i just met this guy"
"he's kinda cute"
"sure, we'll hang out"
"why are we in your car"
"you want me to do what"
"let me out"
He's basically setting himself up for the Authorities to get involved.
4. Horrible expectations
Can you meet a teeny bopper at the mall and have her sucking your dick in your Rape Hyundai after getting super aggressive with her in the food court?
And let's say she's the head cheerleader.
Is it possible? yes.
If you approach her, open her, and then screen her to see if she's actually down to fuck RIGHT NOW while she's eating a corn dog and some fries from Wienerschnitzel - then I can see sliding some sausage into her buns in the Forever 21 dressing room.
Is this scenario likely? No.
5. His actual approach
He opens fine.
They seem receptive.
But then he goes into interview mode.
Throws in A smidgen of self-deprecation... (which is ignorable)
There's a little bit of neg/disqualification, but...
HE'S NOT DOING A LICK OF GAME.
There's nothing interesting about what he's saying, especially to chicks.
He's not getting these bitches excited that Jesus just came back from the dead, and he's going to share the gospel of dick with THEM.
If there's one good thing about young American bitches, is that they have a lot of emotional energy. For a typical dude here, that means we have a lot to play with. That bitch is passionate about Miley Cyrus and the new wings @ McDonald's. She'll wax poetic about Fage versus Pinkberry. She's thinking about her long term future, and whether or not she's gonna go to the party tonight...
We only get a minute, but he's pretty much wasting that minute getting to know them ho's instead of trying to get into their minds and see how they work.
This was the advantage of egg head/nerd pick up artist game.
"Who lies more" is INFINITELY BETTER THAN "HOW OLD ARE YOU, AND HOW OLD DO YOU THINK I AM?"
Later in the thread, he talks about keeping a crowd of people entertained and then getting bitches yanked from him by other dudes - he rationalizes that these chicks went with the next man cause he had some more pounds on him.
Which brings me back to the above discussion about why a lot of these new school pick up dudes don't get game.
As red pill dudes, we complain about female narcissism. Everything has to be about her.
The game that they're talking about is male equivalent. Everything they say he needs to work on, is about bettering and changing himself. It's all about him. His body, his hair, his clothes.
You want to fuck bitches?
Learn how to talk to bitches to get them to react.
______________________________________________
So to recap
1. He's got great raw materials to work with
2. He's working on the wrong thing
Dude could easily be a top player if he were to talk to someone with actual game, not a guy who's worked out how to maximize his own assets, but fail to teach them to others.
WIA
Sorry for such a long post, but the thread bothered me.
Too Long? Didn't read? - dude has all the raw material, but he's following the wrong path to game success.
_____________________________________________
I suggest everyone watch his approach video. It's only a minute, and you can just FFW to the last 30 seconds.
He's not some weak mamby pamby dude that mumbles his words.
The stats
- 24
- white
- 5'9
- 145
- toned physique, but not jacked
- virgin
- awesome work ethic
- fearless/balls of steel
- has some inner game issues
- lives with mom, in basement, drives a hyundai
But this dude posts actual pictures AND VIDEO of himself.
Who has the balls (or stupidity) to put themselves out there like that?
The prey
- 18-19 year old white girls
- cheerleaders
- only "10"s
- only DTF girls
^as any RVF vet knows, this Barely Legal subset of hotness is the holy grail for the typical dude in the game. Cats will leave friends, family, and jobs to go to Eastern Europe just to make the odds slightly better than they can stuff the muffs of young skinny white chicks. (the benefits of them being more feminine and able to cook get balanced out by your lack of ability to communicate on a deeper level - but that's prolly snobbery and sour grapes on my part after dealing with this subset many times)
The method
- mix of day game and night game
- 6 months, everyday, all day (no job, no school)
- aggressive
- pull them back to HIS CAR
- using instadates
- using text and social media
Some negatives, some positives
If I was this dude? I'd be SWIMMING IN 18 YEAR OLD BLONDE PUSSY.
And the dudes on that board? fucking idiots. I'm pretty much suspicious of all the boytoystory and goodlookingloser, as I am the RSD posts that show up here. But seeing the advice that the mods were giving, and how the regulars were talking to him - EEDIOTS
Their advice
- Surgery?
- Hit the gym? Put on 20 lbs of muscle?
- Cut your hair
- don't cut your hair
- wear pink, don't wear pink, wear dark clothes
You notice how few if any of them comment on what he actually says during his approach?
Which brings me to a larger point that has been kinda rolling around in the back of my mind, but this post helped me crystallize it a bit.
There are a lot of pick up philosophies that just feed the male mind.
Society has planted in our mind what it means to be a man, and little by little that meaning has come under assault from various factions.
So a lotta you cats in your 20's and younger, hell some of us in our 30's, we've been missing those masculine values.
So a lot of pick up, dark triad, men's rights, mgtow, red pill - they just blow the dust off of those male concepts and feed that shit to you unadulterated.
Vital medicine that a lot of us need.
You'll swear your cock gets bigger everytime you read Roissy (no homo)
But reminding ourselves on how to be men
- getting strong
- making money
- traveling
- really experiencing life
- et cetera
That shit is ANCILLARY to bedding women. It's a supplement, maybe even a complement to GAME.
That's what that site is feeding him.
Be a better man, and the bitches will get on their knees.
Say what you want about Speed Seduction, NLP, Mystery Method, and all that old shit - but a big key to the success anyone had with it - was really trying to focus on how women think and their behavior.
*And as a brief aside, 10 years ago, maybe because it was a bunch of computer nerds - everyone talked about their success in MINUTE detail - cats don't do this, which means they don't really pay attention to what's going on when they're out there trying to fuck chicks. So when something fucks up, they don't know what to think about and analyze*
Pick up was basically mind hacking.
You were trying to say things to a chick to put her in a spot.
What you did verbally would make her react logically and emotionally.
At the highest level, when you're really on top of it, your words can cause a chick to physically react - blushing, turning away, putting her legs together, causing her to touch you.
A lot of modern day stuff focuses primarily on what used to be called external game.
Muscles, Clothes, Money, Housing, Car, Logistics..
Build the right lifestyle and more girls come into your life.
Focus on your passive game, and you'll reap rewards.
I personally advocate that everyone trying to bed chicks do these things.
They will make you a better man, and put you into a different class of pussy altogether.
But there is still active game.
And a big part of active game is breaking through a chick's natural hesitance to open her legs for strange meat.
For us older cats, we can't really be in the gym going ass to grass with 400+ lbs on our shoulders like we did in our mid 20s.
And relying on lifestyle (which is really just showing off wealth and power in a non-flashy way), can attract the wrong kind of chick. Believe me, I know. Broad would come to the flat in DC and she was already mentally moving herself in.
"I can see myself as the girlfriend/wife of a successful professional"
Even a so-called good girl, a non gold digger, will kick in her hypergamy when she senses that you might be a good long term bet. Alpha enough to get her into your bed, with enough largesse that the bed has nice sheets.
So it comes back to what you say to a chick when she gives you the opportunity to talk to her.
The active game.
That's his main problem. He is unaware of active game. He thinks he knows, but he actually doesn't it.
He mentions that he did better with Mystery Method. Which brings him some kind of pain.
Reading further, there's a bit of an argument that different pick up methods work for different Archetypes better. A 6'2" super jacked, tight clothes wearing, swearing, hard drinking dude would have a very hard time pulling bitches at Tegan and Sara show, the same way a 5'2" guy couldn't pretend to be a pro-baller. (bowler maybe...)
A lot of people believe that there needs to be congruence between how you look and your game.
These same people will also routinely not understand how a 5'10 model chick who wears 5" heels on the regular gets with a dude that's 5'8".
They see it, but they have to rationalize it some other way.
It can't be true, not for them to keep their world view. Rather than let new information change the way they think, they ignore it.
That's *his* primary inner game issue.
He's stuck on the idea that phenotype determines destiny.
But a lotta guys in the game believe this bullshit. (lot of em Roissy readers - cheap shot, I know)
They see a fat dude with a hot chick, and they think - rich, coke dealer, gay friend...
They see a good looking dude with a busted chick, and think - he has low self esteem, or she must have pornstar level dick sucking skills.
They don't see that the game isn't primarily played on the physical and visual level. People get each other to behave in certain ways primarily by motivating them through pain avoidance and pleasure seeking, and that happens all kinds of ways.
So his technical problems are
1. He doesn't understand game. (and nobody on that board understands it either - so they can't help him)
And aside from all the other problems this guy has, he really doesn't know what to say to a chick.
He's basically a "social robot" that has internalized all of the techniques, understands the theory from one pov, but he doesn't realize the empathy, and getting into a woman's mind that is required for success.
If you read the thread closely, he's analyzed the language and kino of who ever "Good Looking Loser" is, and basically done the same thing 500 times.
The model over there seems to be
- look jacked
- wear cool clothes
- spot a bitch
- step up to her
- screen for her DTF
- put your hands on her, kino
- close (kiss, instadate, fuck-close)
And most of the "bro's" there seem to just parrot that model back to him, despite the fact that's what he's been doing for 6 months, every single day, without a day off.
That right there is a major sign to me, but that entire board thinks that Ex-Jock game is merely "running the same play as the pro's"
That being said, I really got to give the dude props. I'm close to 3 figures in lays, but I know I haven't done 500 approaches, much less 500 approaches of the hottest bitches I've ever seen in my life. I wish I had his pussy work ethic.
2. Bad target choices,
He's shooting for the hottest chicks (many options, super flaky) in the flakiest demographic (young bitches with internet/social media ADD)
Plus 18-19 year old chicks, they might not be the most down to fuck as a class. Lotta them still haven't been pounded by too many dicks. (that's what college is for)
3. Horrible Logistics
He focuses on 18-19 year old chicks who probably live at home with their parents, or with hating ass roommates that don't want some random guy walking around in his boxers on a Tuesday morning.
He talks about pulling chicks back to his car (because he can't take them home)
Notice how he never puts himself into the head of these chicks.
"i just met this guy"
"he's kinda cute"
"sure, we'll hang out"
"why are we in your car"
"you want me to do what"
"let me out"
He's basically setting himself up for the Authorities to get involved.
4. Horrible expectations
Can you meet a teeny bopper at the mall and have her sucking your dick in your Rape Hyundai after getting super aggressive with her in the food court?
And let's say she's the head cheerleader.
Is it possible? yes.
If you approach her, open her, and then screen her to see if she's actually down to fuck RIGHT NOW while she's eating a corn dog and some fries from Wienerschnitzel - then I can see sliding some sausage into her buns in the Forever 21 dressing room.
Is this scenario likely? No.
5. His actual approach
He opens fine.
They seem receptive.
But then he goes into interview mode.
Throws in A smidgen of self-deprecation... (which is ignorable)
There's a little bit of neg/disqualification, but...
HE'S NOT DOING A LICK OF GAME.
There's nothing interesting about what he's saying, especially to chicks.
He's not getting these bitches excited that Jesus just came back from the dead, and he's going to share the gospel of dick with THEM.
If there's one good thing about young American bitches, is that they have a lot of emotional energy. For a typical dude here, that means we have a lot to play with. That bitch is passionate about Miley Cyrus and the new wings @ McDonald's. She'll wax poetic about Fage versus Pinkberry. She's thinking about her long term future, and whether or not she's gonna go to the party tonight...
We only get a minute, but he's pretty much wasting that minute getting to know them ho's instead of trying to get into their minds and see how they work.
This was the advantage of egg head/nerd pick up artist game.
"Who lies more" is INFINITELY BETTER THAN "HOW OLD ARE YOU, AND HOW OLD DO YOU THINK I AM?"
Later in the thread, he talks about keeping a crowd of people entertained and then getting bitches yanked from him by other dudes - he rationalizes that these chicks went with the next man cause he had some more pounds on him.
Which brings me back to the above discussion about why a lot of these new school pick up dudes don't get game.
As red pill dudes, we complain about female narcissism. Everything has to be about her.
The game that they're talking about is male equivalent. Everything they say he needs to work on, is about bettering and changing himself. It's all about him. His body, his hair, his clothes.
You want to fuck bitches?
Learn how to talk to bitches to get them to react.
______________________________________________
So to recap
1. He's got great raw materials to work with
2. He's working on the wrong thing
Dude could easily be a top player if he were to talk to someone with actual game, not a guy who's worked out how to maximize his own assets, but fail to teach them to others.
WIA