Dear fellow Rooshv forum members,
Hello
I am a 21 year old living in India. My country is not as intolerant as the middle east but neither are we very liberal. Thankfully we are free from ultrafeminism but lies like "women can do everything a man can" have started propogating.
I have been studying game for around last 3 years and found rooshv.com and the forum few days ago. I have been mostly doing just, what the PUA community calls, "mental masturbation"; no closes, although I did manage to make a girl propose me, and create attraction in a few others (and could've closed had I not the problems I describe later). I've internalized most of the inner game concepts viz. overconfidence, fake it till you make it, outcome independence etc. and now need a polish that can only come from practice.
Let me describe the women in my country before I tell you about my problem.
This is applies to most women in my country, except for maybe the ones living in the large cities:
Girls in conservative societies have the mentality of "first and only love", meeting their prince charming and living happily ever after, and they believe in it all their life.
Unlike women in liberal countries, they never gain enough experience to understand that the world isn't perfect. They're like a deluded adult who still believes in fairy tales. They often have skewed opinions on casual relationships, dating etc. and can't even back it up with logic, just citing "traditional values" and "chastity" as the right way (not that I find anything wrong with that, but I'd like them to be a bit more liberal).
Moreover, being social creatures, they are scared of breaking social norms (which are horrible in conservative societies) and are goody-two-shoes (since we're free from radical feminism.) Most of the (single) women have no idea of what actual relationships are like and are absorbed in their delusions. When their expectations aren't met in a relationship (obviously) they go suicidal, call all men pigs etc.
Scared of relationships/closes:
I want to share love and joy (have sex with) with a couple of women first and then maybe think of committing to one if I find someone worthy, but it seems that is impossible to do that with girls who want to just jump instantly from being single to be living with their prince charming forever and ever.
I unwillingly killed my potential relationships only because I was scared that if at some point I want to break up, the girl will get clingy and might go suicidal. I believe in the "leave them better than how you met them" motto but I'm scared that will never happen with such girls and I don't want to hurt anybody or be remembered as a bad guy, or end up in jail. I would really like these girls to see the light. I would be very thankful if you enlightened me with your thoughts on the subject. I think creating attraction in them is pretty easy, its proceeding to the deed and leaving after that I'm oblivious about. Also I don't know if attraction is enough to get them out of their social programming since they profess to be never intimate with someone who is not committed to them.
So how can a guy have sex with such women without getting into a relationship or using deceit?
Bonding Problem:
I can create and hold frame, but I have problem in keeping conversation going. I fall into the "thinker" personality type according to personality tests. I am a natural introvert and have forced myself to be more social. I love to teach, give advice on and discuss about my field of expertise and would like to talk and gain knowledge from people who are good at a particular field but unfortunately that's not everyone and I've never cared for small talk so I really don't know how to keep conversations going. I do keep girls in my social circle laughing with negs and teasing and some of them have been attracted to me at some point or another but I don't think that would work with someone I've just met.
Hello
I am a 21 year old living in India. My country is not as intolerant as the middle east but neither are we very liberal. Thankfully we are free from ultrafeminism but lies like "women can do everything a man can" have started propogating.
I have been studying game for around last 3 years and found rooshv.com and the forum few days ago. I have been mostly doing just, what the PUA community calls, "mental masturbation"; no closes, although I did manage to make a girl propose me, and create attraction in a few others (and could've closed had I not the problems I describe later). I've internalized most of the inner game concepts viz. overconfidence, fake it till you make it, outcome independence etc. and now need a polish that can only come from practice.
Let me describe the women in my country before I tell you about my problem.
This is applies to most women in my country, except for maybe the ones living in the large cities:
Girls in conservative societies have the mentality of "first and only love", meeting their prince charming and living happily ever after, and they believe in it all their life.
Unlike women in liberal countries, they never gain enough experience to understand that the world isn't perfect. They're like a deluded adult who still believes in fairy tales. They often have skewed opinions on casual relationships, dating etc. and can't even back it up with logic, just citing "traditional values" and "chastity" as the right way (not that I find anything wrong with that, but I'd like them to be a bit more liberal).
Moreover, being social creatures, they are scared of breaking social norms (which are horrible in conservative societies) and are goody-two-shoes (since we're free from radical feminism.) Most of the (single) women have no idea of what actual relationships are like and are absorbed in their delusions. When their expectations aren't met in a relationship (obviously) they go suicidal, call all men pigs etc.
Scared of relationships/closes:
I want to share love and joy (have sex with) with a couple of women first and then maybe think of committing to one if I find someone worthy, but it seems that is impossible to do that with girls who want to just jump instantly from being single to be living with their prince charming forever and ever.
I unwillingly killed my potential relationships only because I was scared that if at some point I want to break up, the girl will get clingy and might go suicidal. I believe in the "leave them better than how you met them" motto but I'm scared that will never happen with such girls and I don't want to hurt anybody or be remembered as a bad guy, or end up in jail. I would really like these girls to see the light. I would be very thankful if you enlightened me with your thoughts on the subject. I think creating attraction in them is pretty easy, its proceeding to the deed and leaving after that I'm oblivious about. Also I don't know if attraction is enough to get them out of their social programming since they profess to be never intimate with someone who is not committed to them.
So how can a guy have sex with such women without getting into a relationship or using deceit?
Bonding Problem:
I can create and hold frame, but I have problem in keeping conversation going. I fall into the "thinker" personality type according to personality tests. I am a natural introvert and have forced myself to be more social. I love to teach, give advice on and discuss about my field of expertise and would like to talk and gain knowledge from people who are good at a particular field but unfortunately that's not everyone and I've never cared for small talk so I really don't know how to keep conversations going. I do keep girls in my social circle laughing with negs and teasing and some of them have been attracted to me at some point or another but I don't think that would work with someone I've just met.