Quote: (09-20-2012 02:48 AM)P Dog Wrote:
Quote: (09-20-2012 02:30 AM)xsplat Wrote:
Of course rape exists. But if we say that it exists every time a woman says no then and sex continues then the sex is not consensual, then we are lying and putting innocent men in jail. And we are cock-blocking the natural process of seduction.
The dealbreaker here is that she eventually said yes to you. Like in your first post in the thread, she eventually gave permission for "just the tip" and didn't say no again after that.
You understand me exactly.
Saying no during the INITIAL stage of sex is not the same as saying no during sex.
Saying no and then continuing on to sex is not a clear boundary to define rape. It's not any sort of boundary at all.
Women say no during sexual escalation all the time. It's just part of the process - it's not some horrible traumatic boundary that can never be crossed without a need for the police to get involved. It's just normal people normal sex.