Quote: (12-15-2018 11:20 AM)Kieran Wrote:
Conversion is possible. It just requires time to work on the girl, which is why so much of the old school approach is about creating time with the girl and making her feel comfortable (indirect openers, false time restraints, etc.), in order that you can convey value. When you convey that value, she becomes attracted.
One of the best ways to convey value is by creating an emotional reaction, which is why Juggler's 2005 book is probably the best I've ever read, and is a simple process to follow, with a clear method for escalation.
Mystery had this idea that you needed to put in 7 hours to create sufficient comfort to get the bang. I don't know if women became sluttier since Mystery's day - they have but I wonder how much so - but the 7 hour rule is not a limit. Lots of guys get bangs much quicker.
A lot of the mystery method is about approaching and comfort, not about attraction.
Telling stories with emotional spikes can trigger attraction. There is a lot of free stuff availalbe on line. An old NLP guy, Ross Jefferies, either wrote under a psudonumy or had an immitator called Bishop with some good emotional spike stories. The Ross Jefferies method either doesn't work or requires such a huge investment in technique that its not worth it, but the emotional spike stories are usueful if you put them in your own words.
https://www.scribd.com/doc/19090105/eBoo...-s-Journal
When I was in college, I had a full scholarship. One fall, the paperwork got delayed. They wouldn't let me register for classes or buy student-discounted football tickets until the paperwork got straightened out. I had a big argument with my financial aid office about this, was really steamed. Came home to my fraternity house and went to the room of one of my fraternity brothers. He and his roommate were there with a girl. (He was little sister chairman so there were always girls there.) I really vented to him, I was very angry. I wasn't trying to seduce her but she became incredibly attracted to me, and I banged her for the first time either that night or the next night. Had never met her before. So intense emotions, even negative ones, can be incredibly attractive to women even though as men we might see them as a sign of weakness in other men or a sign that a guy is not under control.
There is a lot to game besides attraction. Its like saying a Ferrari is the engine. Well, if the Ferrari has a flat tire, you are not going to get very far. Game, like a Ferrari, has a lot of parts. Approaching, inner game, logistics, attraction, comfort, etc. You have to put it all together. You don't need to be a 10 in any category, but a zero will usually be the end.
If your point is that there is too little discussion about attraction on this forum, that is a fair criticism to a point. But let me point something out. If you talk to a woman different from other guys, if you challenge her and don't fall for her shit tests, she will be attracted to you. That's in a thread called text game. If you have your financial life in order and can take her on a date or go on a trip and post pics to your IG account, that creates attraction. There are threads on career, investing, IG, photography, travel, etc.
Read a book about about game like Bang or the The Game that talk about all aspects about game. Then think about your own experience and what you are lacking and where you have the most room to improve.
Focussing on attraction to the exclusion of all others is a mistake. You still need to approach. You still need to do a lot of other little things. The guys in my fraternity who got the most tail were not the best looking guys. By a mile, it was the guys who stepped up to the plate the most.