[Days of Broken Arrows]

(07-02-2018 02:13 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

I've seen the Elliott Rodgers video. I'm not buying into the body language and quirky-ness being the cause. The not getting success with women is causing him to become lose confidence. If this guy was 6ft, he wouldn't need to be jacked. He wouldn't need to be tall or jacked if he went for Asian women but he had an inferiority complex about being Asian which prevented from that. Obviously there were a hundred things he could have done to get a girl but these days the standards women have are much higher. He was living in LA if I recall correctly. You can blame this guy all day but he's just the first of many incels society is creating. Game saves lives, yes, but just admit it's a uphill battle for young men all the way and the genetic lottery will play a bigger role.

Sorry, but I don't agree with this or what BlueMark said when it comes to Elliott Rodger. All the info you guys are putting out is correct, but it leaves out one important thing: Some people are just weird as hell, and no amount of guidance or help can correct that.

This matters most *at first* when it comes to men, because women will instantly turn off when approached by someone "creepy." And if you think height or looks will change that, try getting a male model to go up to a stranger and say something "off." Women will call security, no matter how "hot" the guy.

For men, this situation is different. Men will put up with creepy and strange so long as the girl is hot. Hell, some men (ahem) have even been known to prefer odd-but-attractive women.

But men pay the toll later on, when these insane women do (surprise!) insane things inside of marriage, and the guys get taken to the cleaners when they're hit with a divorce suit.

But all that said, I've known men who are just not right for one reason or another and put women off. Elliott Rodger and the Annapolis shooter seem like those sorts of guys.

While some PUA lessons generally help average guys, my guess is that these are not average guys who happen to be awkward or shy. These are emotionally and mentally disturbed men, and reading Mystery and Neil Strauss won't change a thing.

We need to learn to draw the line when it comes to some men (or people in general) who have deeper, more serious issues that go beyond what we all deal with. You can't cure diabetes with a book; you also can't cure mental illness (no matter how slight) with a few PUA lessons.