Without wanting to get into a long debate on the matter,I think people have misunderstood the point we were making.
Nobody is saying that there is no drug use in the Ukraine,that would be ridiculous. The point Deb and myself are making is that drug use in our target group of females is very very low. Far lower then in the West. For example in the UK I would hazard to guess that every one of the girls I have ever slept with from 16 year olds through to milfs have experimented with drugs in some way,whether that be just trying a joint at a party once through to being regular coke or pill users at some point in their lives. And that is regardless of their social staus/class. Most of my GF's have been university educated and from upwardly mobile middle class families, definitely not under class junkies. Drug use is rife in our countries. In the Western Ukraine however drug use is not so widespread through such a swathe of society.
Oldnemesis you said this:
Talking about the drug use is indeed low class. Even junkies there don't talk about it openly. This is because the drug usage is seriously criminalized, and drug users are frequently a target for extortion. A few grams of weed can give you a few years in a local jail - and your words may be used as the evidence. So talking about drug use would be similar to someone in the West talking about how he was stealing cars in the past; you'd think "what kind of idiot this dude is, openly admitting to committing crimes to a person he barely knows?"
I'm afraid I disagree strongly.
The reason girls don't talk about drugs,it has nothing to do with the draconian laws. Do you really think that my Belarusian GF will be too scared to share a conversation with me about smoking weed in case I call the cops?? The reason they don't talk about drugs is because they don't do drugs and are in fact anti drugs! The fact is that unless you are targeting alcoholic Gypsy school drop outs then your chances of banging chicks with a history of drug usage in that part of the world are pretty damn low. FAR lower then in my own country for example.
I don't think I have any more to add to the debate so I shall bow out now.
Nobody is saying that there is no drug use in the Ukraine,that would be ridiculous. The point Deb and myself are making is that drug use in our target group of females is very very low. Far lower then in the West. For example in the UK I would hazard to guess that every one of the girls I have ever slept with from 16 year olds through to milfs have experimented with drugs in some way,whether that be just trying a joint at a party once through to being regular coke or pill users at some point in their lives. And that is regardless of their social staus/class. Most of my GF's have been university educated and from upwardly mobile middle class families, definitely not under class junkies. Drug use is rife in our countries. In the Western Ukraine however drug use is not so widespread through such a swathe of society.
Oldnemesis you said this:
Talking about the drug use is indeed low class. Even junkies there don't talk about it openly. This is because the drug usage is seriously criminalized, and drug users are frequently a target for extortion. A few grams of weed can give you a few years in a local jail - and your words may be used as the evidence. So talking about drug use would be similar to someone in the West talking about how he was stealing cars in the past; you'd think "what kind of idiot this dude is, openly admitting to committing crimes to a person he barely knows?"
I'm afraid I disagree strongly.
The reason girls don't talk about drugs,it has nothing to do with the draconian laws. Do you really think that my Belarusian GF will be too scared to share a conversation with me about smoking weed in case I call the cops?? The reason they don't talk about drugs is because they don't do drugs and are in fact anti drugs! The fact is that unless you are targeting alcoholic Gypsy school drop outs then your chances of banging chicks with a history of drug usage in that part of the world are pretty damn low. FAR lower then in my own country for example.
I don't think I have any more to add to the debate so I shall bow out now.