Quote: (04-02-2018 02:00 PM)Mufasa Wrote:
Quote: (03-30-2018 10:46 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:
----->the only thing that matters is what she feels in response to what you say.[/i]<-------
Do you see the difference?
So the question isn't "what do I say?"
The question youre looking for is "What do I want her to feel?"
+1 (edit: already rated you)
This is the soul essence of seduction. You aren't going to logic her into giving the pussy up. You can't make sense outta nonsense.
Some people are able to do most of the seduction from across the room without ever laying eyes on the girl first. Body language, presence, how they dress.
When they see the girl: eye contact, body positioning, smile, etc
When they talk to them: body positioning, kino, spacing, sitting or standing, etc.
These things reach for a girls feelings and make her subconsciously feel some type of way about you as a mate. This stuff eventually works its way into some secret society shit but I digress.
My advice: step up your non verbal communication to create feelings. If your verbal game is on point but you're non-verbal is off she will pick up on it. XX chromosomes=double dose of intuition
Quote: (03-31-2018 05:36 AM)Hazaer Wrote:
Update: She replied with 'hey man how is it going?' Something was off about the message but I replied saying I got some wine I wanted to try with her and if she was up for wine tasting. She replies 'sorry but i am busy...'
Dont know if that convo was the reason. Or maybe it was some advanced form of attention seeking behavior I dont know about that 1st years engage in. Wasnt really attracted to her so well, its her loss I guess.
Quote: (03-31-2018 05:04 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:
Quote: (03-29-2018 11:33 AM)PapayaTapper Wrote:
Edit: If you still want to bang her you have one more shot. Next time you see her make a direct move (number, coffee, Netflix...whatever). She needs to know that youre thinking of her as a sexual target (discreetly of course) in order for her attraction wiring to kick in.
You either
-You care more (not the girl as much as about this opportunity) than you let on and therefore were afraid to wait try in person
or
- You are missing some some fundamental understanding of attraction principles.
Combination of the last two and being too patient. Whether or not you waited on the guy to be gone in her eyes you kinda did.=youre not a man
You didn't pick up that she was available and even stuck up for the other guy= you're not interested and/or not a man
She texted you on some friendzone shit and didn't shut it down or display some high value= not a man and/or uninteresting
(ps. the wine comment is for when you know the sexual attraction is there. without the escalation its kinda weird/creepy)
You've let off a string of non-assertivenss and in my experience thats hard to recover from. Its like she was in your bed and you didn't go for the kill. I've never made it back from that.
I do think PT is right and that you can win this but I don't necessarily agree with the process.
It doesnt matter at this time that she sees you as a sexual being or not--youve shown multiple times that you aren't. Direct is the logical assessment and puts the ball in her court if you've helped her see she needs to shot the shot--homie has not helped her see that.
The nonsensical move would be low key show some interest in one/multiple friends of hers--shows you do have the balls to go for what you are attracted to while simultaneously causing her to wonder why she couldn't get you to do that...now she has to chase to prove her attractiveness.
She is now friendzoned without you saying it and this will create the image of you as a sexual being even though its with her friends. Get the girls out to a party or something and try to seduce them while keeping old girl involved in he festivities but freezing her out. Women are territorial and if she starts competing good for you if not you've got new prospects so who cares.
The trick her is getting her to get her friends out without her taking your attraction to them personally and tanking it.
Quote: (04-02-2018 04:51 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:
Quote: (04-02-2018 02:00 PM)Mufasa Wrote:
I do think PT is right and that you can win this but I don't necessarily agree with the process.
I think he unadvisedly fired his shot via text.
I think given what happened and the additional info about this girl a near "apocalyptic option" is likely the only thing worth trying. Full on direct with only the thinnest veil of plausible deniability. The following (sample) exchange has worked several times for me:
Note: This has to be done in person, with no one else around and logistics have to be air tight (close by, and private).
And caution must be done with extreme confidence and playfulness. Not for the feint of heart (Full disclosure- I did this kind of stuff when I was younger, half drunk, and during a different time)
PT "Hey"
Her "Oh hey"
PT "Whats wrong with your hair?"
Her "Huh...errr what do you mean?"
PT "Come here...turn around"
When she does slide fingers up the back of her head and grab a palm full of hair then give it a good gentle but firm tug.
Her "What the ?"
PT Looking straight into her eyes "You had something in your hair"...smirk "Was I wrong?"
If she laughs its game on
Change the subject
PT "Want to come over and watch a movie / glass of wine?"
She now knows without a doubt you know whats up. She's either into it or not
Quote: (04-01-2018 10:41 AM)Hazaer Wrote:
Quote: (03-31-2018 09:06 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:
Prefers hanging out with guys rather than girls. Huge red flag.
Yeah it is. Having any kind of relationship with her is actually not recommended considering all the factors. I remember her also mentioning that she is in the army reserve or something. Guess that might be why she is more used to hanging with guys and therefore tougher to game but also less appealing in a way. Actually, now that I think about it, I got to next her. But it is worth learning from this experience and use the knowledge on other more feminine girls, if there still are, in australia..
Hazaer
Again Im not trying to rag on you but...there's thirst leaking into your game. The fact that you would even start to consider whether a girl is LTR worthy before you've gone on a date much less even banged is a strong tell.
If I can pick up on via your writing...what do you think girls are getting from you in your interactions?
Looking for a girlfriend is the best way never to have one. This is especially true in the 18-25 yo western girl demographic (Am I correct in assuming the age group youre targeting?)
The vast majority of younger girls arent looking for a "boyfriend". They're looking for:
1.) Attention
2.) Validation
3.) Fun
4.) Experiences
...pretty much in that order. The irony is that they end up wanting the guys that provide those elements, but are less emotionally "invested", to be their boyfriend.
I'll elaborate on the aforementioned "attraction fundamentals" in a subsequent post but for now...
In boot camp they breakdown new recruits so that they can be built back up "correctly"
Step 1. Make having sex, one time, with a girl your primary goal. (You cant bang a girl for the 2nd, time much less subsequent times until after the first time right?)
You need to forget relationships for now because those thoughts are like a gas leak when you interact with new girls. They can smell it and they are repulsed by it
Yeah, at this point, she must be feeling pretty weird/confused. You are right in saying that hitting on her friends might work. Infact one of her friends was always chatting me up when they were together. I guess that made her more interested.
When i meant relationships, it included the ONS as well. She is kind of average interms of attractiveness to me but when I list her attributes, like hanging out with guys most of the time, being in the military etc., I find that her attractiveness going below the average level even for a ONS let alone a longer term relationship so i don't know if I am still interested in her enough. And her having minimal friends who are girls who are nothing to write about does not help. It is a good idea to go direct when I catch her alone again but the best chance for this semester has probably just passed.
The issue for me has been that when I start talking to a girl with the intent of making plans to hang out after getting IOIs, thats when her attraction quickly wanes. I am coming to realize that like the others have mentioned, I tend to talk too much in a way that contradicts the image I have given them before while also losing track of making plans to meet later. I learnt the hard way that the key is not to follow her lead in the convo topics but try to bring it back to attraction building topics or go into making plans to meet in a better setting. Using material/lines/routines that you guys mentioned above might establish attraction while reducing the chance of saying something that might kill the attraction. In this case, i didnt do that because I thought she was pretty into me already so the convo went into directions that it shouldnt have gone into.