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(01-29-2018 08:05 PM)Dulceácido Wrote:  

I know they're not military and my premise is not flawed, because the good ones that don't make these mistakes come to us for training. Stupid decision to put the new guy up front.

I never said the guy barking the orders was the shooter. I'm not sure why you thought that.

Sounds to me like two distinct voices shouting the commands which would explain the orders being contradictory. "On your belly, on your knees, cross your legs, crawl to me." Go back and watch the video again and listen carefully.

I did read several articles about the incident, perhaps I misunderstood about whose rifle the inscription was on, but it's still very inappropriate in the public sector on an issued weapon.

I wish I never saw that video.

I was trying to lay out the situation, I should've written that better so it doesn't imply you said the guy barking orders was the shooter.

However, you still glossed over the previous posts or simply didn't read them as you believe there were two officers shouting orders. This would be new and IMPORTANT information if it were true. If you'd read some articles you would've come across the fact that there was only one guy barking orders and one guy shooting as I have. Since my last post there's been this article confirming there was only one officer shouting orders:

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At one point in the video, Shaver puts his hands down and behind his back. Langley, who was in charge and the only one yelling out commands, quickly orders him to put them back in the air or else he would be shot, the video shows.

Also from the same article:

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Langley told the 11-member jury Tuesday that he would have shot Shaver if Brailsford wasn’t in his line of fire.

There's also been the below TMZ article showing that he'd had prior discipline (bold emphasis mine):

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The Sergeant who repeatedly threatened to kill Daniel Shaver in the moments leading up to his death was under review for his abusive attitude ... TMZ has learned.

Charles Langley was the supervisor on scene in January 2016 when officer Philip Brailsford gunned down Shaver at a Mesa, Arizona hotel. You hear Langley bark a series of threats, including, "You do that again we're shooting you, do you understand?!"

Turns out Langley was disciplined back in 2010 for bad behavior. Internal affairs reprimanded him for "personal behavior, conduct and attitude toward coworkers and superiors, defaming or discrediting coworkers," and most significantly -- "failure to lead subordinates consistent with the mission and vision of the Mesa Police Department" ... this according to police documents obtained by TMZ.

Langley was ordered to improve his work ethic and required to take training courses, and if he didn't get better, he was threatened with termination.

Langley retired in April 2016, just 3 months after Shaver's death, and moved to the Philippines. He wasn't in the country to face punishment for his role in the shooting.

We're told Shaver's family plans to use this information as evidence in their lawsuit against the Mesa PD, claiming Langley was unfit to be leading the unit that resulted in Brailsford killing Shaver.

I think that the guy barking orders is at least as culpable as the guy who shot. Interesting that he left the force and retired to the Philippines. I hope the family wins a huge settlement but more importantly that the department (and ultimately police around the nation) can become better at protecting and serving, not escalating and slaughtering.