Quote: (10-31-2016 10:37 PM)Balkan Wrote:
Fack. So, I haven't gone out much in recent weeks due to work, and haven't approached really when I'm out. I went on some dates this week, had some bangs, have another 1-3 bangs lined up for today (old plates, new girls, etc.) but still am not approaching when out and about.
Are you satisfied with your current rotation? If you're mainly using online and playing low-level good looking guy game to bang your smv minus 1-2 points then I can see that killing your drive to approach. No hate this is often what I've done. Maybe purging your less desireable plates would help light the fire. In a different way, having more plates could harvest more of a IDGAF attitude and help you approach more; just depends how you react to these things.
We are standing next to them, my wingman opens her friend who is a below average black girl. It fizzles out. But then we just look at each other like "daaaamn this girl's body is ridiculous". We end up doing nothing, don't approach. Group does their shots and goes somewhere else.
You previously mentioned you have a strong wing. This sounds like what my main wing does (decent looking, ehh game, but fearless when drunk). He usually approaches the lower level peripheral girl and gets rejected, which creates some mental blocks for re-approaching the group but the hotter girl. My solution is approaching before my friend goofs. Besides that, I think this just comes down to classic approach anxiety and obeying the 3 second rule. I've found that whenever I go into observer mode, "damn she has a crazy body" that I go into my head and it often ends in me clamming up. Physically standing still and staring doesn't help the inertia.
My buddy and I realize this was an epic fail on both our parts (more so mine). We decided need to start making "missions" when we go out so that we push each other and hold each other accountable. If anyone has some good exercises to use with a training partner like this, please let me know.
Interested in feedback on this too.
I say some shit and then ask her number. She gives me a number. I say that this better not be a fake number she says it's real she doesn't give out fakes. Later I text and find out it's a fake number. Fack.
Don't ever see a reason to call out a girl on a fake number. If it's actually fake then you've already lost.
Ok. It's just that my buddy needs something to clean his hands he looks like he just jacked off an elephant bla bla" and they start to laugh and give us suggestions. Convo died down on our part and they walked into garage.
This is hilarious. You're a funny guy. Maybe you already are but you should incorporate more of this off the cuff ramble into your interactions.
Looks like a large portion of your approaches open well and die at the first conversational lull. I think you need to lead the conversation more. You previously mentioned that you often forget to ask for numbers/are not aggressive enough. This seems to be manifesting in opening sets but not investing enough in them. Some girls will make this easy for you but I've found, at least for me, that the majority of the time I gotta turn on the social skills. Be engaging, lead her to other venues, cold read her, push her buttons till you get her open up, tease and troll her. It reads like your throwing out an opener, going through the typical pleasantries, then mutually ejecting.
Here's a few WIA posts. And hopefully we can get some nightgame vets to give you some better feedback.[b]
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Thanks for the feedback. I definitely have a lot of work to do. Even numbers I do get or girls I've had a date with, I don't even bother pursuing so much because I know that's not where I need improvement. It's all about approaching and improving my conversation skills (in cold-approach environment) right now.
I am happy that my reaction to the fake number girl is motivation, rather than being bummed out. I was so sure it was a done deal and then she pissed me off haha. I'm glad that's my mindset and I laughed about it.
Motivation
I definitely should purge some plates and get off apps again. I recently got some pro photos, decided to test them out on Tinder/Bumble and am having crazy good results. But it's just more of the same and it will never improve my approach game.
Wing and Missions
My wing is solid, but he gets worse when he gets drunk. He doesn't have a problem approaching (chatting up bouncers, bachelorette parties to help us skip lines in clubs, 9s, etc.), but when drunk he just gets tipsy and loses focus. I get better when tipsy, on the other hand. We've had some fun nights recently where things got fuzzy in the middle and I end up with a few numbers. But that's because I'm a happy drunk. But we definitely need to start making time limits, maybe one of us starts a countdown, "5...4...3..." when we see a target for the other one. And try to do 10 approaches per night, or make bets about it.
Engaging
In the field, I definitely don't have the energy/warmth in my opener/convo that I do on a date. On dates my conversation skills/story-telling work great, but we usually have some info about each other already by the time we're on a date, so finding convo threads is not difficult. In the field, I've been afraid to ask too many questions and appearing needy/"taking" but surely there is a balance. I am also relaxed naturally, but I consciously try to relax more, and my intent is probably lost. I also have resting "serious" face, so I need to smile more (I need to be more like happy drunk Soze).
Step by step.