[Jackreacher]

(06-02-2016 05:35 PM)lavidaloca Wrote:  

Theres some things not being said here that make a massive massive difference in your experience versus what other people will have.

1) You are Cuban American. We are Yumas. Why that matters?

- You can stay in much cheaper accomodation. (We can't stay in accommodation anywhere for $200 / month)

Wrong I actually can't but I did anyway, I blatantly ignored the rules foreigners have to follow(yes I too am considered a foreigner, and was paid a visit by an official at one point) I took a risk and I got the rewards

-You can walk around with girls everywhere without issues / without getting stopped by police for questioning etc.

Wrong they did question me and the girl I was with on two occassions being Cuban American did not make a difference if the girl was a working girl she'd be going to jail

-You don't have to register each girl you take to your rental. We have to get a document signed which is taken to immigration the next day. Thereafter the casa owner will likely not let you bring another girl to her rental.

That's the trouble with renting from someone licensed to rent to foreigners I avoided these from the beginning and yes I actually had to register at one point in Balla Honda, and cut my trip short there soon after.

-You speak the language. Not speaking spanish is a massive disadvantage unless they are looking for $$.

You will need a translator if you don't know the language, that's going to cost money. Thankfully the average salary as you pointed out is quite affordable

-You were doing a lot more p4p by the sounds of it then the report reads. I know it's only $20 but thats a months salary to a government worker. Also you were Cuban American. What does that mean? You get the girls to sleep with you for cheap and / or that actually believe you will have a relationship with them. Why? Because you can actually like their, can buy property / businesses through family members name or even repatriate and do it yourself.

Sometimes it was 5 dollars too if you want to get technical and the girl wasn't bad looking, also I certainly can repatriate but no ones crazy(or stupid) enough to do that I'd have to give up my american citizenship. Cuban girls marry foreigners all the time and the husbands buy properties through them, I don't see how me being Cuban American would be such a benefit in that regard. Lol I think you're overthinking this way too much man. These are farm girls I'm telling you to lie to. It's really not that hard man trust me!

-Guides who speak english are 99% jineteros who will hook you up with the local hookers / quazi hookers and they get their kick back from the girl. You pay $40 he takes $10. You buy drinks he orders something he didn't actually order then splits the difference with the bartender or has the bartender inflate the price. Your Cuban so you avoid that trap.

I rarely went to bars so I wouldn't know, but I certainly befriended lots of jineteros I'm fascinated with the underground prostitution community and sadly they usually don't even make 2 bucks on most transactions considering the amount of risk they end up taking they're the ones usually going to jail. It's definitely an under appreciated occupation despite the trouble a lot of them go through but that's just how it goes when you're the middle man. And a lot of them have to stomach having their girls getting fucked, you got to develop a pretty thick skin for that shit, I didn't avoid the traps I went straight into them and took advantage. And yes I'm Cuban but there's a group of Angolan guys who took the time to learn the language, were paying a bit less then me for a bigger place and were sitting pretty with some very nice females, I guess they didn't have any excuses about what they wanted you know?

-You don't deal with the same constant hustle that we Yumas do. Taxi's who when your with a girl at 2am want 5x the price. Guys stopping you non stop to ask you where you from etc.

Oh dude I get this all the time, especially the price hike at night. Sometimes I dodge it sometimes I can't because it's the first taxi I could catch in the middle of the night after waiting half an hour for one to even show up and I can't tell him to go piss off.

-You get cheaper travel alternatives. Yumas aren't getting to travel for a $1 or $2 in camions to the country / other cities.

Wrong again, some of the folks on these camiones were simply Americans

-You don't get the fake menu which is 5x the price when you show up at a restaurant

When you know what food is actually worth there I would just walk off if they pull that shit, I'm surprised they didn't I'm a blonde guy with green eyes and I have a fucking beard Cubans usually don't rock one. Never got a crazy menu.

-You don't get overcharged on your drinks at nightclubs.

Not a big fan of the nightclubs

-You don't get brought into the spend spend spend mode where your Cuban buddies start trying to inflar and the girls are hounding and the girls bring their sister, prima, and best friend out and want to go to the nicer venues. The expectations in terms of how much you spend as a Cuban American are much lower.

You're wrong man, it all boils down to if you're a fool to take the bait. I have personal anecdotes of guys who initially tried to hustle me later being real cool and helping me out big time. You just can't be a fool or you'll get played. And I don't think the large majority of the guys on here are even close to being that, that's why I can share this stuff. I need you to keep in mind I wasn't born there and I got a buddy who told me he doesn't recommend that I go alone, hell he didn't want to go alone because he's been away for so long he figured he'd could probably get hustled too so I definitely took a risk going there the way I did. No risk no reward.

All of these make a remarkable difference.

I can't bring 12 girls to my casa even if I wanted to. 1 is allowed to register for my entire trip there. Some might allow 2 or 3. (Havana is different in that regard in that no registration policy exists)

-I'm not sure where you found Holguin to be the darkest city in terms of complexion. It's actually the whitest which seems somewhat odd to me that a Cuban American wouldn't know this. Santiago is the darkest in terms of complexion.

In regards to Holguin, I didn't get the chance to stay there but the majority of people I got to know who said they were born there were dark black so I wrote it off. By mistake it seems. I was told Santiago also has some of the most untrustworthy people there as well.

-Most tourists aren't going to make friends that take them around on their motorcycles.

-I can't understand for the life of me why not speaking would be good unless your at La Cecilia and picking up hookers or any other hooker location.

The thing is I couldn't understand (or believe it) either. My uncle was constantly telling me to stop talking Spanish, at some point I gave in and tried it I was awestruck at the results. It didn't make logical sense to me, it simply worked.

Telling girls your going to give them something (i.e. you want to buy them a gold ring) you are engaging in transactional sex at that point. Just not paying after. That is rather lame to be doing in a country that's so poor. The girl expects you to buy her a ring not that next morning but sometime that week as is Cuba and then you book it.

What about if I told her I'd come back to see her and didn't, that would be lame too by your estimation. You don't understand that women prefer lies man? You can always pay, but it's a fact that you'll be doing one or the other. Sorry to tell you. If you want to be with a lot of women that's the price, lies or money. Sorry it's not more clean man. I am but that's just life. It's easier if you just want one girl then you can be 100% honest, and maybe not even have to pay.

You can get hookers all day in Thailand, Colombia etc. for just $20 or $30. Sure the Cuban girls your talking about do less volume for the most part. But we are still talking about p4p at that point.

No you're still talking about p4p. Cuba has a lot of things and most guys will p4p 100% of the time there. That's just the way life is. But is that all there is? Maybe you see it that way. I can't help you with that. It certainly doesn't mirror my experience. I can only say my experience was different. But I go to great lengths to make sure it is different.

It would be equivalent of me going to Colombia. Going to a local casa pounding a girl every day for 60,000 COP. Difference is she fucks 3 guys a day instead of 3 a week.

I have stories from Cuba I can't even post on here because they are simply more personal and I'd need to put them in the proper context because of the complexity of the encounter. I'd be hard pressed to compare them to stories involving a Colombian whorehouse, but maybe that's just your perception of my encounters, I don't know what to tell you man

Or if we are going to compare to here, using Seeking Arrangement and giving the girl a bit of cash after the deed.

You also have access to the "cheap girls" which the Cuban guys all bang for party. Foreigners are going to pay these girls for the same experience because they know they can get it from a Yuma.

The town womanizer is usually the most popular jinetero. (Guy who makes money via transactions with tourists, getting them girls, taxis, taking them around, drinks etc.) Usually these guys seem very suave with woman but they leave out the part where they spend all their money on pay for pussy.

Wrong again man, this guy worked construction hard ass labor, he was usually covered in dust. Made about 4-5 bucks a day doing it along with a bit of gas money. Had a wife and kids(I was invited to his home) normal family. Really nice guy, normal guy actually, really man nothing special. Just a country guy with an aggressive approach streak and a motorcycle in some small ass town called Las Posas. You can't be a jinetero in there lol, you'd starve!

I have spent years of my life there as a white gringo who started out not speaking spanish in his mid teens till now my later 20s speaking fluent spanish. We all know the game, but your describing the game that belongs on internationalsexguide in large part.

So let me understand you, lying is lame and to you nothing to do with game, getting a large quantity of girls in small rural areas is equivalent to fucking in a colombian whorehouse. Befriending people with huge quantities of girls moving through their circles has everything to do with p4p and turning them into jineteros. I mean, if that's the way you see it who am I to tell you anything. I think the way you look at things is certainly interesting.