"Good start. Sound like she’s attracted to you."
Yep I could tell she was attracted. I mean my game on tinder is shit so any girls I pull is mostly on my looks.
"Making too many jokes can come across as try-hard. Also, answering lots of questions very candidly about yourself kills any attractive element of mystery about you. As Paul Janka (the master of getting laid on a first date) says, "Revelations before the flood causes the creek to run dry."
I didn't joke all the time. I said something completely not funny and she'd laugh at it. With questions I tended to be elusive or tried to deflect some of them. Obviously you can't be doing that all the time. I tried to combat it by talking about random stuff, after few questions I'd divert the topic to her or dancing or whatever.
"I'm guessing you didn't touch her at any point before this, which is why it was surprising to her. You should try to touch her very frequently (not necessarily in a sexual way) throughout the date."
The sitting space was kind of crappy. We had sort of cauch and were sat at 90 degrees. I touched her hand few times and knew when I was making a point. I'd say maybe 8-10 times over 3h date. The place was bad to escalate, should've bounced like roosh advised in his book.
"You made it sound like you’re going out of your way to help her, which is beta provider mode. I imagine that lots of players would just call her a taxi. However, I’d just say “I’ll drop you off” because that way she’d probably be comfortable staying round at your house for a bit."
Yeah I think it came off a bit weak. When she said what's best for you I said "I'll l drop you off".
"This was a good move, but I think you should have at least attempted to close the deal when you got to yours. Offer her a drink, stick an apple pie in the oven, show her an “awesome song”. Anything to keep her there while you escalate and attempt to close. But instead, you just left."
My place was ort of messy as I just moved in so no apple pie or anything. Shit logistics. I wasn't planning on dropping her off anyway. But I do agree that I should've stayed in for say 10min and "get warm" together.
"Again, I would have pushed for a lot more than a peck on the cheek and lips. For me, it should have at least been a passionate kiss at this point."
Yeah here I think I could weasel out a nice kiss or 2 more but wouldn't go for makeout just before her going.
Yeah with all else my frame collapsed. I should've been like what you said "I only get weird around weird girls". Asking for more ideas why she wouldn't like me is like standing on a mine. I think she got a little upset over my me getting mad at her.
Well see with the reset msg. Nothing to lose at this point. At least she didn't block me so well see.
There are few red flags tho that I noticed as soon as she said rhem:
1. She dances alot in pair with a guy. Recently his gf told him to stop dancing with her. Same thing happened with 2nd guy after few sessions. She must come across as "steal your bf" girl. She doesn't know what's the problem with these girls. I personally see why theyd be jealous.
2. She's off to Miami with male friend. He got her the ticket. I kinda went like "oh so how do you guys know each other" and she went on about how they know each other 2 years and been planning to go forever. Dunno what sort of friend buys you a ticket from uk to Miami.
3. She seems to take things for granted. I Paid for her drink, she had card out but I just paid. I could see her watching me and my reaction whether I was gonna ask her to pay or not. She didn't thank me for the drink.
Yep I could tell she was attracted. I mean my game on tinder is shit so any girls I pull is mostly on my looks.
"Making too many jokes can come across as try-hard. Also, answering lots of questions very candidly about yourself kills any attractive element of mystery about you. As Paul Janka (the master of getting laid on a first date) says, "Revelations before the flood causes the creek to run dry."
I didn't joke all the time. I said something completely not funny and she'd laugh at it. With questions I tended to be elusive or tried to deflect some of them. Obviously you can't be doing that all the time. I tried to combat it by talking about random stuff, after few questions I'd divert the topic to her or dancing or whatever.
"I'm guessing you didn't touch her at any point before this, which is why it was surprising to her. You should try to touch her very frequently (not necessarily in a sexual way) throughout the date."
The sitting space was kind of crappy. We had sort of cauch and were sat at 90 degrees. I touched her hand few times and knew when I was making a point. I'd say maybe 8-10 times over 3h date. The place was bad to escalate, should've bounced like roosh advised in his book.
"You made it sound like you’re going out of your way to help her, which is beta provider mode. I imagine that lots of players would just call her a taxi. However, I’d just say “I’ll drop you off” because that way she’d probably be comfortable staying round at your house for a bit."
Yeah I think it came off a bit weak. When she said what's best for you I said "I'll l drop you off".
"This was a good move, but I think you should have at least attempted to close the deal when you got to yours. Offer her a drink, stick an apple pie in the oven, show her an “awesome song”. Anything to keep her there while you escalate and attempt to close. But instead, you just left."
My place was ort of messy as I just moved in so no apple pie or anything. Shit logistics. I wasn't planning on dropping her off anyway. But I do agree that I should've stayed in for say 10min and "get warm" together.
"Again, I would have pushed for a lot more than a peck on the cheek and lips. For me, it should have at least been a passionate kiss at this point."
Yeah here I think I could weasel out a nice kiss or 2 more but wouldn't go for makeout just before her going.
Yeah with all else my frame collapsed. I should've been like what you said "I only get weird around weird girls". Asking for more ideas why she wouldn't like me is like standing on a mine. I think she got a little upset over my me getting mad at her.
Well see with the reset msg. Nothing to lose at this point. At least she didn't block me so well see.
There are few red flags tho that I noticed as soon as she said rhem:
1. She dances alot in pair with a guy. Recently his gf told him to stop dancing with her. Same thing happened with 2nd guy after few sessions. She must come across as "steal your bf" girl. She doesn't know what's the problem with these girls. I personally see why theyd be jealous.
2. She's off to Miami with male friend. He got her the ticket. I kinda went like "oh so how do you guys know each other" and she went on about how they know each other 2 years and been planning to go forever. Dunno what sort of friend buys you a ticket from uk to Miami.
3. She seems to take things for granted. I Paid for her drink, she had card out but I just paid. I could see her watching me and my reaction whether I was gonna ask her to pay or not. She didn't thank me for the drink.