I agree a 36 year old guy will have more options, due to improvement in game and income, than a 22 year old. This isn't what I was arguing. I argue that the slope of the increase, particularly from 30 to 35, is not at all symmetric to the collapse in a woman's value over the 25 to 30 range. (in fact, the graph has a steeper rise from 30 to 35 than the same decline for women over that period -- that sounds to me even more wrong).
In california, once I entered my mid 30s and started balding, age suddenly became an issue with some college girls, though not all. And, even in Russia, where larger age gaps are common, I match with way more girls on Tinder in the 18 to 22 bracket saying I'm 29 than when i was 35. While this is just one observation, I did it on the recommendation of others, including a 38 year old who says he's 28 on OK Cupid/Tinder, but said he couldn't match with too many 19 year olds being 38.
Again, i agree that a 36 guy will have a higher SMV than a 30 year old, but is it dramatically higher of the same proportion as the collapse of a woman who goes from 25 to 30? I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.
In california, once I entered my mid 30s and started balding, age suddenly became an issue with some college girls, though not all. And, even in Russia, where larger age gaps are common, I match with way more girls on Tinder in the 18 to 22 bracket saying I'm 29 than when i was 35. While this is just one observation, I did it on the recommendation of others, including a 38 year old who says he's 28 on OK Cupid/Tinder, but said he couldn't match with too many 19 year olds being 38.
Again, i agree that a 36 guy will have a higher SMV than a 30 year old, but is it dramatically higher of the same proportion as the collapse of a woman who goes from 25 to 30? I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.
Quote: (08-28-2015 02:26 AM)Excelsior Wrote:
Quote: (08-27-2015 01:28 PM)_Cicero Wrote:
I'd criticize the graph. There's no way males' social value has exactly the same amount of variance as females' value. Imagine a 22 year old Stanford Law student. Sure, he hasn't made any money yet, but an 18 year old girl will know that this guy is going to be rich. He'll have no problem at all sleeping with girls in the 18-22 bracket.
You're giving these girls too much credit. Young, attractive (and even unattractive, for that matter) 18-22 year old girls don't care where you go to school. They are not evaluating men on the basis of their long term earning potential - they want finished products, not possibilities. Graduate campuses at schools like Harvard, Yale, and Duke aren't being swarmed by hot young 18-22 year olds looking to snag a husband and students at the Law/Business/Med schools there are not drowning in pools of hot 18-22 year old options.
Your degree is not going to drop panties. These girls are, first and foremost, looking for young guys who can turn them on, show them a good time, and impress their friends. These traits are not at all strongly correlated with earning potential.
If you have good game then your degree is a plus, but a guy in that age group with good game would be doing well with or without the Stanford degree (the kid at San Diego Law with the same game and all else being equal can get very similar results). If he has "no problem at all" attracting women in that age bracket, it won't be because of his degree.
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In the US at least, that guy will have a much harder time with many 18-22 year olds when he is 36 due to the age gap.
Your typical Stanford Law student is going to have a much wider range of attractive options at 36 than he will at 22. Unlike his 22 year old self, he'll have the option of not only pursuing 18-22 year olds (with the benefit of resources he didn't have at 22) but also 22-30 year olds, a range that includes a large number of very attractive women who are more likely to give a damn about his academic pedigree and income/future earning potential than your standard teenaged co-ed. He will have more resources (making the pursuit of all women, including the 18-22 year olds, substantially easier), more experience, and likely higher confidence levels (thanks to the extra 10+ years of social and professional experience) at 36 as well. The odds are that he'll be better off in pretty much every way.