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G Manifesto Vindicated - thegmanifesto - 10-20-2011

Quote: (10-18-2011 12:39 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2011 11:43 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (10-10-2011 05:11 PM)haywire Wrote:  

I've always been a fan of dressing sharp and have definitely appreciated the power of suiting up, but never realized suits is one real pussy magnet that man has. I just put up a new picture in a suit on my okcupid profile and not only has my reply rate gone up but, boy, hotter women are opening me now!

G, must say you are far ahead of your times and there is real truth in your words. Mad props.

Nice work.

I had no idea Custom Suit Game even worked on Internet dating sites.

You learn something new everyday on this forum.

G manifesto..If you were to use online dating what would you write as your self-desciption?

Sorry for the derail

I would probably keep it real, no matter how over the top it sounds.

I decided a long time ago that girls have to accept me for me. No matter how obnoxious it may be.

I have thought a few times it might be fun to try online dating just as an experiment, then I slap myself back into reality.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - el mechanico - 10-20-2011

Quote: (10-20-2011 05:42 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2011 12:39 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Quote: (10-18-2011 11:43 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (10-10-2011 05:11 PM)haywire Wrote:  

I've always been a fan of dressing sharp and have definitely appreciated the power of suiting up, but never realized suits is one real pussy magnet that man has. I just put up a new picture in a suit on my okcupid profile and not only has my reply rate gone up but, boy, hotter women are opening me now!

G, must say you are far ahead of your times and there is real truth in your words. Mad props.

Nice work.

I had no idea Custom Suit Game even worked on Internet dating sites.

You learn something new everyday on this forum.

G manifesto..If you were to use online dating what would you write as your self-desciption?

Sorry for the derail

I would probably keep it real, no matter how over the top it sounds.

I decided a long time ago that girls have to accept me for me. No matter how obnoxious it may be.

I have thought a few times it might be fun to try online dating just as an experiment, then I slap myself back into reality.

One of mine says something like " I enjoy to have a few mixed drinks with a smoke in hand on weekends" or some shit. you wouldn't believe how much flack I get over it. You're not missing much....

I would like to see one of the ok cupid players write up a full g profile and see how it works..

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G Manifesto Vindicated - 1bliss - 10-20-2011

Great thread, very good info G.

For club game, would a nice pair of pants, nice dress shirt and loafers be ok?

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G Manifesto Vindicated - BadgerHut - 10-20-2011

Quote: (10-20-2011 08:34 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

Great thread, very good info G.

For club game, would a nice pair of pants, nice dress shirt and loafers be ok?

I'm not an expert in male fashion...I'll just say, make sure your shit fits. It's half the battle. Get your stuff tailored if necessary (it usually will be if it's off the rack).

I was in the suburban white-guy baggy-pants hip hop wannabe culture in the 90's, and it took me many years to drill the bagginess thing out of my head.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - thegmanifesto - 10-21-2011

Quote: (10-20-2011 08:34 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

Great thread, very good info G.

For club game, would a nice pair of pants, nice dress shirt and loafers be ok?

Sure it's "ok".

But I am not in the business of "ok".

I go Custom Suited Down.

Makes it way easier to enter the club as well, if you don't have in on Lock.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Vicious - 10-22-2011

Quote: (10-20-2011 08:34 PM)1bliss Wrote:  

Great thread, very good info G.

For club game, would a nice pair of pants, nice dress shirt and loafers be ok?

That's a "safe" approach. While it's better than t-shirt and jeans being safe is ultimately detrimental to game.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Khaleth - 10-23-2011

Just pulled a stripper last night in Montreal and I have to give props to G's guide! +1

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G Manifesto Vindicated - MD81 - 10-23-2011

Quote: (10-23-2011 04:50 PM)Khaleth Wrote:  

Just pulled a stripper last night in Montreal and I have to give props to G's guide! +1

Details please Were using G's guide verbatim?

I tested it only once in Cape Town but my logistics were not right - as in showing up there at 1 AM I thought the shift ends at 4 AM though it was 7 AM hence my timings were not right altogether. Having said that, the process and their reactions were 80% the same what Gs explain in his guide. Also what was your punch line for the pull?

MD

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Khaleth - 10-23-2011

Quote: (10-23-2011 05:43 PM)MD81 Wrote:  

Quote: (10-23-2011 04:50 PM)Khaleth Wrote:  

Just pulled a stripper last night in Montreal and I have to give props to G's guide! +1

Details please Were using G's guide verbatim?

I tested it only once in Cape Town but my logistics were not right - as in showing up there at 1 AM I thought the shift ends at 4 AM though it was 7 AM hence my timings were not right altogether. Having said that, the process and their reactions were 80% the same what Gs explain in his guide. Also what was your punch line for the pull?

MD

Pretty much followed the guide to a T with some of my own humour thrown in. I was from out of town so I told the stripper "I just wanted the cabbie to drop me off at a club, not a strip club and that I was probably gonna leave after my beer". Then got a private dance and basically ripped on her the entire time by telling her, she should be paying for my company because she would probably be grinding on some loser if I wasn't around. She said her name was Bre so I poked fun at her for having a shitty dancer name and that I would be calling her Destiny for the rest of the night.

Number 4 from the guide was probably the most important (also the hardest because damn she was fine! haha).

"4. Keep your eyes off of her body and maintain eye contact. Never comment on how good she looks, or how beautiful she is; if anything, downplay her looks a little and call her “kinda cute.” "

I downplayed how sexual it was and after a while you could actually see how frustrated she was getting with everything. She was trying harder and harder, and I just kept it up by condescendingly asking her if she was enjoying herself. Eventually it turned into some game where she kept trying to tease me with a kiss (I kept thinking Julia Roberts from Pretty Woman at this point! haha) so I started just pulling back first while looking her in the eyes and grinning. The girl has probably never been rejected in her life so I knew it was on after that. After she was in disbelief about the whole thing, I finally surprised her and made out with her pretty aggressively. Pulled away first, looked her dead in the eyes and asked, what time she was getting off work at. She said 3. (It was about 2:30) I told her to get dressed, then after I straightened her bra and said "Jesus Bre get your shit together, you look like a stripper." One final make out against a wall, then I told her to meet me out front after her shift, and walked out. I got a shwarma across the street... 'cause. that. shit's. delicious. and I picked up some gatorade to sober me up before game time. 3 o'clock rolled around and sure enough she was outfront. She drove me to my hotel in her car and then blew my mind.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Timoteo - 10-23-2011

"As a side note, there is a lot of talk that we may need to enter an "Age of Elegance" in America if we hope to return to our greatness." thegmanifesto

There's a grain of truth in this. As you look back through history, you see that men always dressed well, no matter what the occasion. Suits, topcoats, fedoras, etc. When I look at old family photos, some from before I was even born, my dad was often dressed that way. Even if they were just going to a get-together at a friend or relatives house, he was in a suit and had a cool hat on. It was simply a man's uniform. I doubt we could ever really return to that, but for the guy that goes against the grain on occasion and suits up, not because he HAS to (the job), but because he WANTS to, it draws people's eyes to him.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Timoteo - 10-23-2011

Quote: (05-17-2010 11:15 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Quote: (05-16-2010 04:42 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I wish someone could post some images of what the right type of playboy casual suit looks like. Or some images of guys that pull this look of properly. I'll sometimes wear a blazer with jeans, but I rarely see guys fully suited, even in nice venues so I'm having trouble visualizing how this getup is supposed to look.

Honestly, the best cat out there to look at for examples is probably me. Rarely if ever do I see someone pulling it off better. (And the only reason I said that is I am not trying to sound too cocky).

There really aren't to many good examples in popular culture today. Reason? Most actors and celebrities are weesh. And probably gay. And International Playboys stopped being covered by the media by and large (thank goodness for that.)

You really need to go out there and look for the real thing.

Or look at history, every great International Playboy in history has dressed super sharp. Hell, it is nearly impossible to find any International Playboys of history who didn't dress sharp. Or smoke cigarettes.

Check out Bugsy Siegel, Sinatra, George Best (http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/01/geo...ish-g.html ) Alberto Tomba ( http://www.thegmanifesto.com/2010/01/alb...ian-g.html ), All the boxers from John L Sullivan all the way to modern day (Arturo Gatti, Mayweather, Mosely De La etc).

Tennis players also dress smooth, check out Becker, Henri Laconte (french playboy), all the Latin cats.

But if you need to look at someone modern in film, Layer Cake has some dope suits and so does Bond in Casino Royale when he gets off the plane in the Bahamas I think. Gangster No1. and Sexy Beast have some dope suits if I recall correctly.

Check those.

"I haven't done this myself, but know several attorneys that go this route, and semi-annually get new custom suits direct from their Asian taylor."

This is a decent low cost route. Attorneys however, are known for being extremely poor dressers by and large.

I have never gone this route, like I would never have mexican guys make my sushi.

"BTW, Vegas to me is basically a monument and symbol for what's wrong with America (produces nothing, ersatz corporate "experiences", over-indulgence, childish something-for-nothing dreams)."

That doesn't only sound like Las Vegas, it sounds like America in general.

Wow...it's like you read my mind with this post. I've observed every person you've mentioned here, and the thing that jumps out about them is their lifestyles, and how they dress. Alberto Tomba has always been not only my favorite skiier (and I don't really follow the sport), but he's a playboy of the highest caliber. During the Olympics he was mackin' by night, and winning gold medals by day. The spit game, on camera, to Katerina Witt right after she stepped off the ice during the figure skating competition. He has unshakeable confidence. British gangster flicks are perhaps my favorite genre, especially "Layer Cake" and "Gangster No. 1." I've always been a huge fan of the Bond character because he's the ultimate alpha with unshakeable cool. I'm always scouring films and magazines for fashion tips.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Timoteo - 10-23-2011

Quote: (01-28-2011 11:10 AM)clr Wrote:  

Not to drag the thread back a few months when its gone towards colognes, but as for the suit bit, I lived in new york city for the past 8 years, Alpha said about wearing a suit "No one brought it up or thought it was weird. Its all about the attitude."

WOMEN will talk about you all the time, dozens upon dozens of times I heard women making fun of the guys in the suits. The difference in NYC is people wear suits to work so they are nothing special anymore, generally speaking, going out in your work clothes is not sexy, especially when everyone looks the same.

I used to go out a LOT and to very nice exclusive venues, what I have seen work very well in NYC (and have used myself) are quality sports coats with a nice open collared shirt, or a vest with a pimp tie, if you are going to wear any type of suit, it has to be obvious its a suit for going out and looking good, not a work suit and bland tie. You have to be edgy and take risks if you want to stand out in a city like New York.

Yeah yeah its about how you carry yourself but if you want an extra edge.....

This is it in a nutshell. The suit and tie has become a uniform for men in NYC. I was born and raised here, and worked in law firms my whole adult life. Not only is the suit not special, but most guys wear the same basic cuts/colors. I worked the past 4 years or so in tv/media, and they are all casual. Folks other than the execs look like bums, even wearing sneakers to work. I personally always wore a collared shirt, sometimes french cuff, even if it was with jeans. I always work casual shoes or dress boots.

The corporate world started instituting casual Fridays. Then business/casual during the summer. Then business/casual year round. For men, it was still pretty basic - a collared shirt/polo, and slacks or khakis with casual shoes. But women started looking like trash. I found that because I wasn't wearing suits anymore, my wardrobe slipped. I was still buying collared shirts, but not business shirts. I was buying patterned, more sport/casual shirts. I scooped up a couple of suits (which I still haven't had altered), because my old suits either didn't fit or I didn't like them anymore. A man always needs to have suits in his closet. I get my suits from Men's Wearhouse (I belong to Perfect Fit, so if I buy my suits there, they'll alter for free). I'll try to have them altered as if they were custom. But my goal is to definitely get a custom suit or two made in Europe or Asia.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Timoteo - 10-23-2011

I belong to one of those discount shopping sites called Gilt Groupe (http://www.gilt.com) and a partner site they're affiliated with called Park & Bond (http://www.parkandbond.com) that has great advice and clothes for men. P&B is a full-priced site, but it also has articles and interviews with designers, and suggestions for ensembles, etc. that can provide great guidance with putting together looks, both suited down and more casual.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - thegmanifesto - 10-24-2011

Quote: (10-23-2011 04:50 PM)Khaleth Wrote:  

Just pulled a stripper last night in Montreal and I have to give props to G's guide! +1

Good work Khaleth.

Were you using some moves to swoop that Exotic Dancer from this Data Sheet:

http://www.stripclubseduction.com/produc...port-G.pdf

Just so it is clear, I didn't write that report.

I endorsed it and gave an interview, because I thought it was solid.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Kish - 10-24-2011

G is one of the better posters on this forum.

If you're not dressed sharp it just sends the wrong message. It's really an overlooked part of the game.

Quote: (10-23-2011 07:52 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

"As a side note, there is a lot of talk that we may need to enter an "Age of Elegance" in America if we hope to return to our greatness." thegmanifesto

Not sure what happened to us along the way but prior to the 70s American men dressed with style and class. JFK and his brothers are good examples.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - PDX - 10-25-2011

Hey G, you ever rock an ascot?

Also, what's your position on hats?

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Timoteo - 10-25-2011

Over the last couple of years I started adding jackets/blazers to my wardrobe, because even when you're casual, you look tight. Hook those up with sweaters and collared shirts, you look put together without trying too hard. I've always preferred layering sweaters, jackets and lighter coats in the fall and winter, instead of huge, bulky down coats or parkas.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - satanova77 - 10-26-2011

Ok so I hit NOrdstrom Rack store...bought a fitted white cotton shirt....a sports jacket...grey kind of similiar to what Bobby Kennedy is wearing in the photo above....got it fitted....(cannot say how important it is...i looked like a loser without the right fit wearing same jacket....fitted it showed my athletic physique and you could tell how much time i put in gym without wearing a fitted t shirt)....

then me and my buddy roll into sullivan's bar during happy hour....being young and fit and wearing right jacket got us appreciative stares from the rich milfs and jealous ones from the rich fat losers(who were also wearing jackets but VP biden sytle)....needless to say once you get that kind of attention opening is easy as 1-2-3...and compliments were flowing too from the ladies about how different me and my friend were than other men in houston....confidence was so high that we committed robberies on tables with men and women already socializing....

this worked so well i wore this ensemble 3 days in a row....so G is right about it all....this was just sports jacket with brown slacks...I cant wait to try grey suit....but again you got to go to upscale places....where there is appreciation for such style....in low life places it might cause more intimidation than appreciation....

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G Manifesto Vindicated - thegmanifesto - 10-26-2011

Quote: (10-25-2011 11:57 AM)PDX Wrote:  

Hey G, you ever rock an ascot?

Also, what's your position on hats?

I have a friend that rocks ascots at The Del Mar Racetrack.

It is a little too "aristocratic" for me, but they can work on the right cat.

Hats are cool. However, I rarely if ever wear them.

My Father and Godfather do all the time.

Maybe when I am older.

Hipsters have co-opted the fedora, which makes them kind of wack now.

I have said it before, and I will say it again, "No two words say as much in style as the words, "Panama Hat".

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G Manifesto Vindicated - satanova77 - 10-26-2011

Another worthwile point to add is to keep your game steady as you suit up....my first night i noticed I wasnt sharp on my game and making sloppy mistakes as I thought the game was so easy now that I was looking right...

So key is keep doing what you were doing earlier that has worked....no need to change lines or body language due to the upgrade in wardrobe...

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G Manifesto Vindicated - thegmanifesto - 10-26-2011

Quote: (10-26-2011 12:39 PM)satanova77 Wrote:  

Another worthwile point to add is to keep your game steady as you suit up....my first night i noticed I wasnt sharp on my game and making sloppy mistakes as I thought the game was so easy now that I was looking right...

So key is keep doing what you were doing earlier that has worked....no need to change lines or body language due to the upgrade in wardrobe...

Good point.

Suit up and act natural.

That is the key.

Because if you think about it, it is natural.

Men are supposed to wear Suits. Men aren't supposed to wear shirts with glitter on them or skinny jeans.

I have said it before, and I will say it again, if some who has been in jail for the last 11-15 years and just got out, he would lose his mind in modern day America.

Guys dress like girls now.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - thegmanifesto - 01-06-2012

Quote: (10-08-2011 06:28 PM)Prowl Wrote:  

First: Nick Wooster is a fucking beast, even if he's 200% gay. He's 100% beast.

Anyway, I think custom for a first suit is fine, depending on the definition of "custom".

There's made-to-measure and then full-blown bespoke. If you don't know anything about suits, bespoke is a waste of time and thousands of dollars. MTM is for anyone.

The primary difference between the two is that bespoke involves the creation of an entirely new suit pattern from scratch, and involves multiple fittings in person with the tailor. MTM just modifies an existing pattern via your measurements, sizing it up or down in different dimensions, and this is what the Hong Kong/traveling tailor suits are.

You can get servicable MTM done at reasonable prices by "Thick as Thieves" and "Indochino". TaT is better by a hair, IMO.


Anyway, my preferences are as follows:

Jackets: Single breasted 3-roll-2, NO pick stitching, patch pockets, NO ticket pocket, side vents, functional sleeve buttons, suppressed waist, fairly short length.

Trousers: No cuff, flat front, frogmouth pockets, side tab adjustment (i.e. no belt loops)

Shirts: Cutaway collar, angled 2-button barrel cuff (leave 1 button off to make room for watch), no darts, no pockets, no label. I also sometimes do club collars, and in this case I'd round the cuffs. Get shirts from ModernTailor.

With any MTM on the internet, best to just send them a garment that fits and have them measure that. Getting measurements done off your body is probably not going to work out, and doesn't even sometimes work out in person unless it's full bespoke and they adjust the fit mid-construction (which I definitely can't afford, lol).


EDIT: I didn't read the whole thread, so if I reiterated other posts I apologize. Definitely suit up though, every day/every way.

Prowl -

Wanted to pick your brain (so to speak) a little more on philosophy.

What is your theory on patch pockets?

Hacking pockets VS Straight pockets?

One Button VS Two Button?

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G Manifesto Vindicated - Prowl - 01-13-2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 02:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Prowl -

Wanted to pick your brain (so to speak) a little more on philosophy.

What is your theory on patch pockets?

Hacking pockets VS Straight pockets?

One Button VS Two Button?

I like patch pockets a lot, but all that sort of thing is really just a matter of taste. I like big rounded-flap patch pockets because they harken back to when suits were more functional garments and people really carried things in those pockets.

A hacked/angled patch pocket would be bizarre, but assuming they're not patch, I don't have a preference between hacked or straight. I hate ticket pockets though, just because they're so ubiquitous now.

IMO a one-button suit is by definition not for business use, but that doesn't mean that I don't like them. I don't own one, but I'm thinking of having one made.

I'd like to do a 1-button natural shoulder with rounded lapels and NO sleeve buttons at all, i.e. this Miles Davis pic. Would wear with a club collar as shown.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - americanInEurope - 01-13-2012

Quote: (01-17-2010 12:51 AM)BostonBMW Wrote:  

Let me be straight up guys: Suit up, sharp tie and a pocket square..no matter what, it will give you a boost over the competition.

I went out to an event with my friend tonight. I was more like a chaperone, but had ladies opening to me with lines like "I like your tie" and "what do you do?" Totally awesome.

So this might be old news or even lame for some advanced people, but suiting up really gives me a boost and sets things apart. It's a classy move if you can run it.

I'm trying to make an effort to be out and about these days. I was wondering if the fellas have considered joining groups like meetup? I know its Boston and in the middle of winter but no excuses for being social.

Most people live in parts of the world where wearing a suit and tie will make you look like a douche, is uneconomical as they are often physically active throughout the day, hot as hell most of the time, or generally just makes people feel uncomfortable around you. London, Tokyo, NYC or other style mecca's like that, wearing a suit everyday is not only a good idea, but as you guys pointed out gives you an edge over the comp. Wearing a suit in Toledo, OH/San Fernando, Philippines/Trier, Germany will make you look like a tool and chicks will laugh at you. Crazy world isn't it?

A lot of affordable suits aren't comfortable, and most suits you buy in America are rubbish and look lose and shitty. It's basically for special events. The best suit place I've seen in the world is The Suit Company in Tokyo. They've got affordable shit (you can rock an entire ensemble for about $700) and it looks GOOD. Nice pleated shirts that fit your form, pants and jackets that's tight but also strong looking, and Italian shoes that make you look money as hell. I've got a few of their suits in my wardrobe but to pull it out in PG County, Maryland is absurd. It'll do more harm than good.

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G Manifesto Vindicated - thegmanifesto - 01-14-2012

Quote: (01-13-2012 03:12 PM)Prowl Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2012 02:25 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Prowl -

Wanted to pick your brain (so to speak) a little more on philosophy.

What is your theory on patch pockets?

Hacking pockets VS Straight pockets?

One Button VS Two Button?

I like patch pockets a lot, but all that sort of thing is really just a matter of taste. I like big rounded-flap patch pockets because they harken back to when suits were more functional garments and people really carried things in those pockets.

A hacked/angled patch pocket would be bizarre, but assuming they're not patch, I don't have a preference between hacked or straight. I hate ticket pockets though, just because they're so ubiquitous now.

IMO a one-button suit is by definition not for business use, but that doesn't mean that I don't like them. I don't own one, but I'm thinking of having one made.

I'd like to do a 1-button natural shoulder with rounded lapels and NO sleeve buttons at all, i.e. this Miles Davis pic. Would wear with a club collar as shown.

Interesting. I think I may try patch pockets out for a test drive on a new Custom, however I got a new one going to be finished soon.

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IMO a one-button suit is by definition not for business use, but that doesn't mean that I don't like them. I don't own one, but I'm thinking of having one made.

That is one of the reasons why I like them.

My last 3 Custom Suits (and one on the way) are all One Button.

You should give it a try.

Another question for you:

How many buttons do you like on the sleeve?

I have one suit with two button on sleeve, but usually go with three.

I am wondering if four buttons might be smoother, because you could un-button three. Could be rakish.

Thoughts?

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