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What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - lake - 11-03-2016
I asked in my previous post if anyone is having success in TO - so far no replies. I have done 21 day approaches so far and am trying to get back my motivation. Would really like to hear from anyone having some success. If no one is having success, then how are you coping?
There are these two guys who teach TO men how to seduce TO women. Their website is called Honest Signals. They seem genuine and have many videos of them meeting TO women. Anyone hear of them and have opinions?
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 11-03-2016
Not to be rude, but 21 approaches isn't a lot.
I assume your doing day game!
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - lake - 11-04-2016
Yes day game - and I got 79 more to do. Is TO more difficult than other places to day game in your opinion?
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 11-04-2016
Yes it is hard, where are you day gaming?
The city you have to be strategic, day gaming in public is like suicide.
Women here are retarded, so treat them as such. Don't be like others and take them seriously and get butthurt.
Again, for the lurkers reading. The problem with Toronto is the beta men who gas up mediocre women.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Mayweather - 11-04-2016
It's clear there's alot of confusion regarding the city. I've lived here all my life (21 years) and should probably write a data sheet breaking down the city and the demographics behind it (which condos have all the escorts, the influx of super rich chinese kids driving mclarens and lambos at age 19 with overseas money, etc.). Coming soon definitely. One thing about day game in the city though is you need to be where a lot of casual foot traffic is. I know Kensington Market for me in the summer was great. 21 approaches isn't enough at all though.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - lake - 11-05-2016
Two more approaches last night on King street -- trying out night game - seems a bit easier. Roosh said not to mix -- but I have little choice. Day game seems difficult -- but I don't have anything to compare it to.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 11-05-2016
Quote: (11-04-2016 03:21 PM)Mayweather Wrote:
It's clear there's alot of confusion regarding the city. I've lived here all my life (21 years) and should probably write a data sheet breaking down the city and the demographics behind it (which condos have all the escorts, the influx of super rich chinese kids driving mclarens and lambos at age 19 with overseas money, etc.). Coming soon definitely. One thing about day game in the city though is you need to be where a lot of casual foot traffic is. I know Kensington Market for me in the summer was great. 21 approaches isn't enough at all though.
LOL - I have seen a lime green McLaren parked in my buddies condo, apparently the kid drives it to school. Yes he is Chinese.
I would like to get your take on the situation.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Mayweather - 11-06-2016
@rudebwoy
I find its a common occurrence in the city. There's so much overseas money in the city it's crazy. I've been told a lot of the money is either drug money or money from real estate being washed through the purchase of cars, luxury condos and the like. It's crazy to see a kid who can barely speak English who's 19 in a McLaren or an Adventador with a condo in Yorkville or on the Lakeshore. It's not uncommon in my area to see dudes younger than me racing in any brand car you could think of. One thing is for certain, somebody is getting paid and their families are about their bread. There's a really big divide in the city between haves and have nots now and it's just getting wider. From what I see it's heading towards being New York City 2.0.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - kosko - 11-06-2016
Lots of those Chinese kids here to take basket weaving at UofT Scarborough. All the rich international kids go to that school. The parking lots there got all types of crazy sports cars.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - steezyy - 11-06-2016
Went here a year ago and got tons of IOIs. Shit was wild.
About to go back again in few months.
I'll report back with quite possibly the most positive Toronto trip report ever conceived.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - kosko - 11-06-2016
Lots of goon shit happening outside bars at night lately. Some American dude gets stomped to death out in Little Italy Friday, and a bunch of stabbings and shootings last night.
The America example is the most fucked as it was his boys bachelor party and you would think his homes would of tried to break up that attack.
There is always a peak season of this and it is cyclical. I don't know tell reasons but I always suspect the pussy market when dudes let testosterone boil over after getting drunk. When it starts getting colder here the goons come out. Any scrap I've been in here has been around this time of year. I have no idea why dudes get tense around this time of year here.
The drinking culture here is strange with lots of people not drinking much at all. I always wonder if these incidents happen when dudes take it to far and with not knowing how to handle liqour.
There is also a culture here of acting like a asshole. Many times I've been in near scraps from dudes just being prices of shit and just getting in your way. Add pussy to the fix and it can then crazy very quickly.
The decrease in bars means vermin types spread out into new areas. The areas downtown they used to cluster at and have security on lock now with wands and pat downs. The more casual places got bouncers but many don't pat you down and shit.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - casa-nostra - 11-06-2016
Quote: (11-04-2016 02:06 AM)lake Wrote:
Yes day game - and I got 79 more to do. Is TO more difficult than other places to day game in your opinion?
Canada is not an easy country because of the high level of feminisme.
Toronto is not easy but still easier than many canadian citcies.
Can you give us if possible a descirption of yourself(look , age , background...) if possible ?
And why you are doing day game not night game ?
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - MdWanderer - 11-07-2016
Quote: (11-06-2016 07:36 PM)kosko Wrote:
Lots of goon shit happening outside bars at night lately. Some American dude gets stomped to death out in Little Italy Friday, and a bunch of stabbings and shootings last night.
Yeah, turns out that story made the Washington Post
Quote:Quote:
A 26-year-old Maryland man who went to Canada for a bachelor party was beaten to death there Saturday, the police in Toronto said.
Julian Jones was punched, kicked and stomped in an unprovoked attack, said Constable David Hopkinson in a telephone interview.
The incident occurred about 2:25 a.m. outside a bar, the police said.
Jones was in the Canadian city for the bachelor party of a friend, Hopkinson said. He died on the way to the hospital, according to Hopkinson.
The police could not immediately give information Sunday night about where Jones lived in Maryland.
However, the Toronto Star newspaper’s website, TheStar.com said Jones was from Baltimore.
The Toronto newspaper indicated that he had attended law school.
I have honestly never had a bad thing to say about Canadians before I met people from Toronto. I have visited both Vancouver and Montreal and both rank in my top ten favorite cities in North America. Toronto just seems like a whole 'nother world. Did Canadian hospitality just skip that city or something? I have mentioned before that they are trying to bring this goon behavior to Michigan too. Not to mention the incident at the Orioles-Blue Jays playoff game with the beer throwing and the racial slurs being thrown at Orioles players.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 11-07-2016
With the influx of the wrong type of immigrants and the economy being not so great, things have turned for the worst in the city.
We are not any different than many other places, we have the same problems. Sadly, they like to cover it up and pretend everything is alright in the typical puritan way.
Gun violence is on the increase, even in the burbs where I live.
As Mayweather mentioned before, escorts seem to be on the rise. We have a ton of strip clubs and massage parlours, they all seem to do a thriving business. I went to a strip club in my hood the other day, man I struggled to find a girl in there with a tight body.
I find it hard to believe that other cities in Canada would be harder to game women. Montreal was paradise to me up until recently. Ottawa is a hidden gem, I could never live there. I know dudes that moved to Calgary and Edmonton and I never heard from them again.
A lot of dudes are suffering here, it seems like the pareto principle is in effect here. Some of my friends make it work well for them and some are omegas dealing with women that aren't even worth a lay.
The city may not be Kiev but it isn't Kabul, mind you some parts are starting to resemble Kabul.
I don't want to single out a group of people, there are many people coming here that have this selfish attitude.
Fraud is big here, very big from what I hear.
I love the city, I dislike the people.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - MdWanderer - 11-07-2016
Quote: (11-07-2016 10:42 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
With the influx of the wrong type of immigrants and the economy being not so great, things have turned for the worst in the city.
We are not any different than many other places, we have the same problems. Sadly, they like to cover it up and pretend everything is alright in the typical puritan way.
Gun violence is on the increase, even in the burbs where I live.
As Mayweather mentioned before, escorts seem to be on the rise. We have a ton of strip clubs and massage parlours, they all seem to do a thriving business. I went to a strip club in my hood the other day, man I struggled to find a girl in there with a tight body.
I find it hard to believe that other cities in Canada would be harder to game women. Montreal was paradise to me up until recently. Ottawa is a hidden gem, I could never live there. I know dudes that moved to Calgary and Edmonton and I never heard from them again.
A lot of dudes are suffering here, it seems like the pareto principle is in effect here. Some of my friends make it work well for them and some are omegas dealing with women that aren't even worth a lay.
The city may not be Kiev but it isn't Kabul, mind you some parts are starting to resemble Kabul.
I don't want to single out a group of people, there are many people coming here that have this selfish attitude.
Fraud is big here, very big from what I hear.
I love the city, I dislike the people.
A girl that I am dating wants to take me there at some point. She is in love with the city. I figure Toronto has a lot to offer culturally, but I would never in a million years game there.
And I'm even having second thoughts about that even though women won't be an issue, on principle. Much rather go four hours west instead of east to Chicago and contribute my tourist dollars to their economy where they don't preach man hatred and men aren't looked at as predators for wanting to have a conversation with a woman.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 11-07-2016
Mdwanderer - Don't believe all the hype. Beta boys love to bitch and complain, what does that accomplish?
I choose to ignore all that nonsense, it doesn't concern me.
Women still want "Men" at the end of the day.
The city has a lot to offer culturally, it would be a nice escape with a lady. Don't forget the dollar is in your favour big time.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - the6ix - 11-07-2016
Beta boys bitching and complaining is why this thread exists. It's the problem Canadians have in general with girls, they are too nice and beta that the girls don't see them as potential sexual partners. The Canadian girls experience this so much the level of feminism rises and it compounds from there over and over until you get the current environment. I usually tell a girl I'm American living in Canada (true) and all of a sudden that normally nuetrealizes this issue. On top of that, a lot of times I'll point out how bad Toronto guys' game is and girls will always laugh and agree and tell their stories of experiencing this Toronto phenomenom. Ironic how the place where Mystery started this madness is the place when guys have the least amount of game I've ever been. All the better for the ones that do have game in Toronto, no competition.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - The Stronger Sex - 11-07-2016
Quote: (11-07-2016 10:42 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
With the influx of the wrong type of immigrants and the economy being not so great, things have turned for the worst in the city.
We are not any different than many other places, we have the same problems. Sadly, they like to cover it up and pretend everything is alright in the typical puritan way.
Gun violence is on the increase, even in the burbs where I live.
As Mayweather mentioned before, escorts seem to be on the rise. We have a ton of strip clubs and massage parlours, they all seem to do a thriving business. I went to a strip club in my hood the other day, man I struggled to find a girl in there with a tight body.
I find it hard to believe that other cities in Canada would be harder to game women. Montreal was paradise to me up until recently. Ottawa is a hidden gem, I could never live there. I know dudes that moved to Calgary and Edmonton and I never heard from them again.
A lot of dudes are suffering here, it seems like the pareto principle is in effect here. Some of my friends make it work well for them and some are omegas dealing with women that aren't even worth a lay.
The city may not be Kiev but it isn't Kabul, mind you some parts are starting to resemble Kabul.
I don't want to single out a group of people, there are many people coming here that have this selfish attitude.
Fraud is big here, very big from what I hear.
I love the city, I dislike the people.
London, New York or LA get lots of immigrants and no one hear this kind of reports from those cities. I don't think imigration is the issue, but a whiny bitter, passive-aggressive attitude that comes across when gaming. Women smell victims, and they don't like them because they're not ready to put up with a man who bitches more than they do.
Toronto has a lot of Asians. I don't mean to insult any Asians here, but many Asian guys have that Eliot Rodger vibe going on that's a repelent for women.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Cambodian Creamsicle - 11-07-2016
Immigration is definitely an issue but not the only one. Toronto was 90%+ white in the 80s. There's no way it was as bad then as it is now. Where are the immigrants coming from? Ukraine? The Philippines? Brazil? Are the mainly women? No. They're coming mainly from China and India and they're majority men. So you have influx that negativity skews the gender ratio as well bringing in, on average, unattractive women. Simple supply in demand equates to more male thirst.
The other big issue is Canadian men being raised to be beta and Canadian women being raised in what's probably the biggest leftist feminist yougogrrl country in the world.
It's a perfect storm for a shit sexual market place.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - MdWanderer - 11-07-2016
Quote: (11-07-2016 11:39 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Mdwanderer - Don't believe all the hype. Beta boys love to bitch and complain, what does that accomplish?
I choose to ignore all that nonsense, it doesn't concern me.
Women still want "Men" at the end of the day.
The city has a lot to offer culturally, it would be a nice escape with a lady. Don't forget the dollar is in your favour big time.
As a part of the 0.000001% of guys on this forum that will defend Washington D.C and realizes that it's not as bad as what people make it out to be, I understand where you are coming from Rudebwoy. My negative experiences have mostly been due to the Toronto transplants here in the Detroit area, and the men and women from there act exactly the way the forum members here describe; guys are white knights, and women have bitch shields and attitude. I never gave the complaints about Toronto a thought until I moved here to Michigan. The typical Toronto-born, University of Michigan Medical School Graduate Chinese population here are pretty cool and they don't cause problems, it's the SJW, feminist, White Canadians from there I can't stand. When I would go gaming in Detroit bars I always had to check to make sure the girl was local and not Canadian so I wouldn't catch an ass-kicking from the bouncer in case I came off wrong. It sucks because Michigan girls are friendly and will reject you politely if they are not interested, but I could always count on a rude blowout from a Toronto girl to mess with my vibe. I'm like, you can leave your feminist garbage back home but don't bring it here! That's what aggravates me the most about it. Mind you I'm just talking about Toronto and not Canadians as a whole.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 11-07-2016
theSix - you speak the truth 100%.
The Stronger one - London has its own issues, women is not one of them. We still have guys on here complaining about the place, which blows my mind. Just like NYC, the water seems to be different there - women act accordingly.
Cambodian Creamsicle - Toronto in the 80s was superb, women crossed the street for men. Clubbing was off the chain. Travelling to other places was simply unheard off, nowadays it is must for your sanity.
MDWanderer - yes they have that entitlement, just tell them you are in America now bitch. I mean if someone annoys you, what do you do? Ignore them.
Seems like rich asians (Chinese) and cheap skilled labour (Indians) is flooding the market. Not a good combination, but I don't want to point the finger at them.
Again I am not a defender for the city, if you have the means to leave then I suggest you do so.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Banna - 11-08-2016
Quote: (10-25-2016 11:15 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:
Ah that good ol thread is still running! I'm focusing on stacking Banks, so I'm a bit out of it! The most infuriating thing about this place is that while the women are becoming less and less feminine... these Hoes are looking better & better Damn! Women are flocking to this city I swear! While I was Daygaming like a maniac, the quantity wasn't like it is now!
Maaaaan you ain't lying. I've been going out for 20 odd something years and these women to me, are looking better than when I was a 20 something cat back in the 90s.
I took a walk to the Sunday night spot. I enjoy there more than any place I've ever been going to for the past 25 odd years or so. There were some bad assed looking women I must say!!! I shouldn't even say some.....there were women of all shades EVERYWHERE in there. Maybe I post too much about there, but I must state I'm no promoter looking to boost the amount of people going there.....I just want to see my fellow Toronto Roosh guys prospering.
A good point about women flocking to the city. Which is why I'm not the biggest fan of these weekend trips to 705, 519 land. Because it seems every weekend some set of them are coming from that neck of the woods to Toronto looking for action instead.
Opened a crew of 3 of them Sunday night from London. Wow were they ever fine. They were complaining how boring and drab it was out there. Man were these broads ever hungry for guys or what, women that fine in TDot are usually strippers or escorts being whisked to some guys bottle service and spend the night being snobby in their clique. I was dancing with all 3 at once at one point,lol. 3 Indian dudes with like at least 3 to 4 grand in bottles were trying to entice them (smh) and outside of drinking off their stash they weren't really feeling those guys.
The flakiness (I already called one of the 3 of the London crew out on that today and set the record straight) and inflated egos of one's self worth are the biggest obstacles here.....but there's definitely lots of talent in Toronto to me.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Mayweather - 11-08-2016
Quote: (11-07-2016 10:42 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
With the influx of the wrong type of immigrants and the economy being not so great, things have turned for the worst in the city.
We are not any different than many other places, we have the same problems. Sadly, they like to cover it up and pretend everything is alright in the typical puritan way.
Gun violence is on the increase, even in the burbs where I live.
As Mayweather mentioned before, escorts seem to be on the rise. We have a ton of strip clubs and massage parlours, they all seem to do a thriving business. I went to a strip club in my hood the other day, man I struggled to find a girl in there with a tight body.
I find it hard to believe that other cities in Canada would be harder to game women. Montreal was paradise to me up until recently. Ottawa is a hidden gem, I could never live there. I know dudes that moved to Calgary and Edmonton and I never heard from them again.
A lot of dudes are suffering here, it seems like the pareto principle is in effect here. Some of my friends make it work well for them and some are omegas dealing with women that aren't even worth a lay.
The city may not be Kiev but it isn't Kabul, mind you some parts are starting to resemble Kabul.
I don't want to single out a group of people, there are many people coming here that have this selfish attitude.
Fraud is big here, very big from what I hear.
I love the city, I dislike the people.
Escorting is huge here. Not getting huge. HUGE. Dudes that didn't have shit their whole lives have condos in Yorkville and on the lake because of it. Go to any club during the summer like a Muzik Beach, Wildflower, etc and watch who pulls up. Guys that I used to ride the bus with have Range's and Audi's now and they're younger than me. The way the hustle is set up is guys get themselves a few girls, maybe 2 or 3 and have them working out of a condo. With a single girl making 1500$ if she really grinds, you can see why everyone is rushing to get in on it. Prostitution isn't illegal up here, soliciting a prostitute is. The internet and back page changed the need to hang your head out a station wagon and whisper that you want some head. Now you just slide in the dm's, send an email or hit the booking info and wait for an address to be sent to you. 2016 in the city.
Quote: (11-07-2016 11:55 AM)the6ix Wrote:
Beta boys bitching and complaining is why this thread exists. It's the problem Canadians have in general with girls, they are too nice and beta that the girls don't see them as potential sexual partners. The Canadian girls experience this so much the level of feminism rises and it compounds from there over and over until you get the current environment. I usually tell a girl I'm American living in Canada (true) and all of a sudden that normally nuetrealizes this issue. On top of that, a lot of times I'll point out how bad Toronto guys' game is and girls will always laugh and agree and tell their stories of experiencing this Toronto phenomenom. Ironic how the place where Mystery started this madness is the place when guys have the least amount of game I've ever been. All the better for the ones that do have game in Toronto, no competition.
Haha, you just ran Caribana game. Girls get wet as soon as they hear you come from that place with the star spangled banner. Back in the day before the city had an identity with the 6ix and the OVO movement, that was the thing to do. Show up to the parade, cop a luxury rental, and a hotel on king street and pretend to be from Detroit, NYC, Miami. That was how you got the 'tings.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Banna - 11-08-2016
Quote: (11-05-2016 07:20 PM)lake Wrote:
Two more approaches last night on King street -- trying out night game - seems a bit easier. Roosh said not to mix -- but I have little choice. Day game seems difficult -- but I don't have anything to compare it to.
What about online gaming? I don't see much posted about that aspect of TDot. You're just nightgaming on the King St. W scene or actually at venues?
I've lived in Toronto all my life and in total I don't think I've even reached 5 daygame approaches here in total, lol. So I give you and/or anyone else here that talks about 21 approached or many more a lot of credit there.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 11-08-2016
Quote: (11-08-2016 01:10 AM)Banna Wrote:
Quote: (10-25-2016 11:15 PM)Captain Gh Wrote:
Ah that good ol thread is still running! I'm focusing on stacking Banks, so I'm a bit out of it! The most infuriating thing about this place is that while the women are becoming less and less feminine... these Hoes are looking better & better Damn! Women are flocking to this city I swear! While I was Daygaming like a maniac, the quantity wasn't like it is now!
Maaaaan you ain't lying. I've been going out for 20 odd something years and these women to me, are looking better than when I was a 20 something cat back in the 90s.
I took a walk to the Sunday night spot. I enjoy there more than any place I've ever been going to for the past 25 odd years or so. There were some bad assed looking women I must say!!! I shouldn't even say some.....there were women of all shades EVERYWHERE in there. Maybe I post too much about there, but I must state I'm no promoter looking to boost the amount of people going there.....I just want to see my fellow Toronto Roosh guys prospering.
A good point about women flocking to the city. Which is why I'm not the biggest fan of these weekend trips to 705, 519 land. Because it seems every weekend some set of them are coming from that neck of the woods to Toronto looking for action instead.
Opened a crew of 3 of them Sunday night from London. Wow were they ever fine. They were complaining how boring and drab it was out there. Man were these broads ever hungry for guys or what, women that fine in TDot are usually strippers or escorts being whisked to some guys bottle service and spend the night being snobby in their clique. I was dancing with all 3 at once at one point,lol. 3 Indian dudes with like at least 3 to 4 grand in bottles were trying to entice them (smh) and outside of drinking off their stash they weren't really feeling those guys.
The flakiness (I already called one of the 3 of the London crew out on that today and set the record straight) and inflated egos of one's self worth are the biggest obstacles here.....but there's definitely lots of talent in Toronto to me.
Banna - you need to stop with these positive posts.
You are letting the cat out of the bag, so to speak.
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