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What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 08-15-2016
The downtown Condo thing is the biggest mystery going.
I was at my dentist last week at Yonge/Eglinton and he was telling me about 12 new buildings going up in that area alone. All of them over 50 storeys high and a few have been sold out already.
I think there is a bigger debate as to what might be coming down the road, these developers are not stupid and must know something we don't. I do know most of the buyers are from overseas, but surely there are better deals to be had elsewhere.
As for wages, yes I am sure there is a chunk earning decent money. From what I see a lot of people are struggling and are doing extra to make ends meet. One example of this is Uber, I know a few people who jumped on that and are making decent coin doing it.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Pokerbaby - 08-15-2016
Uber? Nobody makes any decent coin doing Uber.
http://uberpeople.net/forums/Toronto/
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - RBerkley - 08-15-2016
Quote: (08-14-2016 11:04 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Dude is still flapping his gums WTF!!!!
GO away already, thought you got a warning.
We get it - YOU despise Toronto.
Montreal ain't as easy as it was 20 years ago, loads of dudes are flocking there now.
Easy pussy to be found in Ottawa, Winnipeg and Edmonton.
You see..This is the problem..You're gonna come up here talking to me, then when I reply, you gonna want to advocate for censorship because I criticized Liberals and Toronto.
The thread title is relevant to my previous posts, though I didn't criticize Toronto. The Thought Police mentality in Toronto is strong.
You appear to play the role of thought police while indirectly trolling me to provoke a response. It is childish, and sounds very typical of what those government paid Harper trolls used to do on anti-government forums back in 2012-2014.
I do notice that before a lot of Canadians expressed dislike for Toronto, but recently it appears that Toronto doesn't like the rest of Canadians. Where have the outspoken Canadians gone? Did the Thought Police shut them up?
What's the matter with Toronto? When you criticize it someone trolls you in the Thought Police state of mind.
I wasn't even criticizing Toronto in my last posts but merely explaining how Montreal is better than Toronto in terms of cost of living, game, human rights etc.
Toronto got that Thought Police nonsense and political correctness Orwell 1984 style.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - WeekendCasanova - 08-15-2016
Quote: (08-15-2016 07:57 AM)RBerkley Wrote:
Quote: (08-14-2016 11:04 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Dude is still flapping his gums WTF!!!!
GO away already, thought you got a warning.
We get it - YOU despise Toronto.
Montreal ain't as easy as it was 20 years ago, loads of dudes are flocking there now.
Easy pussy to be found in Ottawa, Winnipeg and Edmonton.
You see..This is the problem..You're gonna come up here talking to me, then when I reply, you gonna want to advocate for censorship because I criticized Liberals and Toronto.
The thread title is relevant to my previous posts, though I didn't criticize Toronto. The Thought Police mentality in Toronto is strong.
You appear to play the role of thought police while indirectly trolling me to provoke a response. It is childish, and sounds very typical of what those government paid Harper trolls used to do on anti-government forums back in 2012-2014.
I do notice that before a lot of Canadians expressed dislike for Toronto, but recently it appears that Toronto doesn't like the rest of Canadians. Where have the outspoken Canadians gone? Did the Thought Police shut them up?
What's the matter with Toronto? When you criticize it someone trolls you in the Thought Police state of mind.
I wasn't even criticizing Toronto in my last posts but merely explaining how Montreal is better than Toronto in terms of cost of living, game, human rights etc.
Toronto got that Thought Police nonsense and political correctness Orwell 1984 style.
I don't mind your critique of Toronto, but some of it is incorrect. Most of the toronto-hate in this thread is hilarious. It's sensationalism at its finest. I've never experienced most of what members complain about. I know toronto isn't perfect - it's far from it, and yes it has a lot of problems, but you'll seldom encounter the vicious feminist/sjw cells. Unless you're only visiting uber hipster bars. Your complaint about student loans is completely based in fantasy, by the way. And please tell me where you find $10,000 textbooks. I'm curious.
I'm still waiting to meet members on this forum who complain about toronto - the offer is on the table. Please, take me out and show me the venues you frequent where you're faced with such horrific problems.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 08-15-2016
@RBerkley - you said you were not going to post, not a man of your word I see.
Your posts are negative and you are very bitter.
You received a warning but yet you are back again.
Again, WE get it ...... you HATE Toronto.
I have never met these mysterious SJW/feminist nazi people you keep talking about. They must hang out at different bars to me.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 08-15-2016
Quote: (08-15-2016 07:55 AM)Pokerbaby Wrote:
Uber? Nobody makes any decent coin doing Uber.
http://uberpeople.net/forums/Toronto/
Cannot believe everything you read, just look at the Trolls post on here.
I know a dancer who gave up dancing to do Uber, she clears $1000 per week.
She doesn't joke about her money.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - RBerkley - 08-15-2016
@ Weekend Casanova:
You truly misinterpreted my post. I said that tuition is so high in Toronto that student loans only cover the tuition Plus textbooks alone. In Montreal, the tuition for university is around 3,000$ for local Quebec students vs around starting 8,000$ at most universities in Toronto for Undergraduate.
Roosh was a victim of the SJW hysteria in Toronto. That was where Roosh was first slandered when he hosted his World Tour. Eventually, it spread to Montreal where the SJWs from Concordia and Mc Gill Universities attacked him on August 08, 2015, and the hate campaign gained steam on the week of August 15, 2015 in Toronto again when people were holding protests with elected politicians on a government heritage park dedicated to a Provincial government parliament.
Roosh didn't get slandered by people in the middle of Cornwall, Ontario or Sudbury, Ontario..He got slandered by major Canadian media outlets which are headquarter in Toronto.
It makes little sense trying to explain facts to people on here. It's as if the Canadian government paid trolls or bots to try and discredit people from posting facts. At least my posts have more substance than people hating on Montreal on here with a few words and lines and nothing to explain or prove.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - RBerkley - 08-15-2016
Quote: (08-15-2016 08:30 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
@RBerkley - you said you were not going to post, not a man of your word I see.
Your posts are negative and you are very bitter.
You received a warning but yet you are back again.
Again, WE get it ...... you HATE Toronto.
I have never met these mysterious SJW/feminist nazi people you keep talking about. They must hang out at different bars to me.
I posted back because I received a reply from another forum member who claims that Montreal is so bad that it makes a city he claimed that he never really visited to be feasible.
Toronto Thought Police is strong in this thread. I wouldn't be surprised if I got mysteriously taken away, extradited back to Toronto and forced with Soma Pills chanting "Toronto is a gr8 city".
Lurkers should read that if a city claims itself to be at least decent, then why take the effort to discredit relevant posts while hoping for a banhammer on the critics?
Ya know the Beenie Man song "From mi know dem p***yhole dem nuh like me"? That is a song what Roosh should be playing when he visits back Toronto.
Thought police vibes strong here man..Criticizing Toronto automatically makes one "bitter" and deserving to be banned..I can't wait for some blogger to screen capture this thread and put it on their blog because I sense censorship.
I also received complaints from other members of the same thing about the Toronto Thought Police, some of which has evidence in other threads.
Weird things a gwaan. I can't even reply to my responses without being called "bitter".
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - RBerkley - 08-15-2016
That's it! I gonna stop using the Travel thread of Roosh V forum because of Toronto Thought Police!
Any troll replies will not be responded to. Good thing Roosh keeps his forum threads non-deletable because people have to see what the Toronto Thought Police culture does to people who criticize that city with facts and full responses worthy of debate.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - casa-nostra - 08-15-2016
Lets summurize this Montréal vs Toronto war
Montréal
-Freindliest and nicer girls(in a polite way not sexual way) than Toronto
-Cold approche is less efficient in MTL,girls are more sociale circle.
-Less stressful and more european vibe
-The life is less expensive
-The salary is much lower
-The taxes is much higher
-Very cold city,never come in MTL in winter never.
Toronto
-More bitchy girls but easier girls to pull (in sexual way) than Montréal
-Less Sociale circle factor than MTL
-Life is expensive
-Better salary and less taxes
Verdict
You will save more money in Toronto for sure , but the life is less stressful in MTL
For Girls , in MTL you will talk with many girls less bitchy but very hard to pull , in Toronto you will meet a lot of bitchiness but once she is ok,pulling is easy.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 08-15-2016
You keep saying the same over and over and over and over again. Do you take medication?
No one is saying come to Toronto, yes we all agree it is a tough city.
Everyone is entitled to his opinion, Montreal is not the same easy spot it once was. That is my opinion, but yet I encourage people to visit because I think it is a nice city. I do not get upset because someone else shares a different opinion.
You obviously live in Montreal, so why not write us a up to date datasheet on the place. It would be more appreciated than your ongoing posts saying the same thing about Toronto.
There are many places I dislike, but I always encourage people to travel. What may be crap for me might be a pussy paradise for others.
Toronto was not good for you because you stated you have beginner game, fair enough. No harm in that, i would certainly agree with that statement.
However, I know guys that are A+ plus players and slaughter this place and would not dream of leaving. They have also traveled the globe and yet they found other places tougher or lacking the same quality. Go figure.
Also keep in mind that a lot of girls from Ontario visit Toronto year round, they usually stay on King St at the Hyatt or some AirBnB. I had a few kills dealing with these girls who are in town looking for fun for the weekend, my friends and I refer to these girls as the 519 or lately it has been the 613.
So you see Mr Berkley, this is an example of a post with information and rational thoughts.
I could not care less what you say about Toronto, but the nonsense about Hate police, SJWs, Feminists makes you sound unintelligent.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - kosko - 08-15-2016
Uber is big in Toronto.
If you are a smart driver you will make good coin. To many drivers just peddle around hoping for rides and surcharges. Not ideal. The key is being strategic and driving in good zones during peak demand. One driver I casually know only dives AM and PM rush hour and makes ~$300 a day on average.
Uber is red hot in the Toronto market. Apparently they make $20 million a month in revenues just in Toronto! They bleed a shit ton of money of legal and lawyers though. Apparently the Toronto legal beagles shook them down hard when they had lobby the City. They were burning through millions on Ads and Lobbyists a month during that time frame trying to get approved.
TTC loosing cash to Uber. All the downtown folks who subsidize the system ditched the TTC for Uber. TTC curiously has more or less a $20-30 million shortfall each month...
With the Condos.
We see canary bird in the coal mine stuff all the time. UrbanCorp goes bankrupt right in the middle of the biggest building boom in history. Same exact stuff happened in the last boom here in the early 90s, and in the USA as warning signs before it crashed.
Far to many folks are gambling on Condos to get rich quick. I know people from my other job who are just event planners, stage builders, who own in Liberty Village. I likely make more cash vs them and I am barley getting by. I would look like I was faking it with a fat CC and home line of credit which is what I suspect many do to keep up appearances.
I blame the immigrant hustle as well. Many of these young folks getting down payments from their immigrant parents who worked to the bone to save up a cushion for this kids. The parents think home ownership is the only way to make it and convince the kids to jump in head first without even thinking about the bigger picture.
Or.
Many immigrant parents who had to hustle and dodgy things to make it are using their kids clean credit sheets to get mortgages as a trick to get some big cash for the family. The intension are well of course but many don't see the bigger picture. Housing is only an asset when you can assure somebody else is willing to pay more when you want to sell it. The house itself has little to no value.
With wages flat, growth tepid, and young people delaying kids, boomers in masse, etc. Who is going to pay you more for your home?
Foreign Ownership.
I don't buy it. A study done out of Victoria puts Foreign investments in RE at only 8%. If global money was so hot here why isn't big time Asian and Arab money building big projects here? In LA you have the Koreans building office towers, SF is getting Arab and Asian money as is Vegas. When their is money to be made they flood in. Toronto is still getting projects built with oatmeal pension funds. Still not dynamic and mature like other markets that are truly global. Office vacancy is at record lows. A bunch of Arabs could overpay and buy a parking lot and dump a tower on it and make money. Toronto isn't seeing that type of shwred development yet like you see in other markets.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 08-15-2016
Yeah the girl I know that does Uber works off hours, I believe she starts at 4am.
Housing bubble has to come sooner or later, the prices are madness
Unemployment is high here, that is a dirty word no one wants to talk about.
Which explains why personal debt is $25K for the average person in the city, that does not include the mortgage.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Pokerbaby - 08-15-2016
While I can not refute what people say about Uber, I do have first hand experience.
I drove for Uber from August-October last year before I came to Poland. I didn't want a full time job because I knew a trip was forthcoming.
Keep in mind how many expenses are related to driving Uber. There's the cost of gas, the cost of insurance (or extra risk if you don't have proper insurance), depreciation on your vehicle (often overlooked), Uber's cut and some minor, smart expenses like seat covers.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Chemistry - 08-15-2016
Without turning this into a T.O. real estate thread, condo prices, on average, have been flat. Workmanship may have declined, and condos are being built out farther from the core, and square footage might have too ... but detached home are a supply-side problem with a lot of pent-up demand. I picture a lot of boomers sitting on their homes until they die (then give it to their own kids), or maybe renting them out.
Detached Home Prices continually rise; condo prices flat since 2011 (image)
My outlook: Unless you can buy a detached home, continue to rent an apartment and bank the difference between your rent and the mortgage you'd be paying; invest in equities.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - rudebwoy - 08-15-2016
Quote: (08-15-2016 02:05 PM)Chemistry Wrote:
Without turning this into a T.O. real estate thread, condo prices, on average, have been flat. Workmanship may have declined, and condos are being built out farther from the core, and square footage might have too ... but detached home are a supply-side problem with a lot of pent-up demand. I picture a lot of boomers sitting on their homes until they die (then give it to their own kids), or maybe renting them out.
Detached Home Prices continually rise; condo prices flat since 2011 (image)
My outlook: Unless you can buy a detached home, continue to rent an apartment and bank the difference between your rent and the mortgage you'd be paying; invest in equities.
Heck , why not. It is one of the biggest problems with Toronto and it sure beats talking about the boogie man and SJWs.
I thought house prices in the burbs were bad, ever look at the prices on the subway line. Royal York going east.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - WeekendCasanova - 08-15-2016
RE: Kosko: It is largely foreign ownership. Most of our clients (over 60 percent) are foreign, and the amount of property that they're purchasing, even now, is incredible. You have a plethora of rich families coming in from Asia and scooping up everything they can - but the market will cool down a bit if toronto ends up implementing an RE tax for foreign investors that they're talking about. B.C did it, so we'll wait for some results on that. Now, everyone is searching outside of toronto; Newmarket, Bradford, Oakville, and Barrie are seeing massive booms in home prices. I can guarantee you though, offshore purchasing is one of the largest contributors to this housing price boom.
It's crazy to me. Owning a house right now vs. renting is an awful choice. Rent, invest your money, spend the rest of your life soaking up the dividend payments from your equities.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Kaizen - 09-01-2016
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/25...-1.3743090
I'm not white but this is insane.
Toronto is the most PC city on the planet.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - WeekendCasanova - 09-02-2016
Apparently it's part of their "Poverty reduction strategy", which in other words, means providing jobs to those unqualified to actually do the jobs. It all goes back to the PMs response on why his cabinet was full of women; we're in an age of diversity over efficiency and effectiveness. It's a shame.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - goodington - 09-02-2016
A couple of buddies and I went to Lavelle last night, and I can say it's one of the best higher end night game spots I've seen in awhile. The venue is perfect for wandering around and mixing with different sets because it's mostly standing room only, but not too loud or crowded to talk. Overall it's a very classy and sexy vibe, perfect for guys who can rock a well tailored suit and look sophisticated. Good talent too - lots of early 20's girls open to talking with older guys (I'm mid 30's and my friends are in their 40's). None of us were in a position to pull but we did a little harmless flirting with two 22 year old Asian girls for entertainment purposes only.
Of course the catch is that it doesn't get busy on a Thursday until at least 10, so good luck if you have a normal job and live in the suburbs. The whole King & Bathurst area is ground zero for top shelf night game IMHO - Thompson, EFS, Hoxton, etc. and I think part of the reason is that it's not overrun with 905 douchebags, at least during the week.
Lavelle would be a great place for the Toronto summer meet up that never happened.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Banna - 09-02-2016
^^^ How dare you insult us "uncool" 905ers!!! Lol
Good to see a report. Nice to know it's not all "doom n gloom" for some as many have chimed in on Roosh. If you know the lay of the land you can have fun in this city with girls.
As a guy that goes out alone (and prefers it that way more often than not) I'm not sure if Lavalle is my speed. I am sure there's top notch talent there but I keep asking does that place have a dance floor? I'm not really a open social circles standing around type of guy. It strikes me more as a set up like Addisons aka the old C lounge. I find those venues lack energy and I get bored easily standing around.
Of the other venues you mentioned I can vouch for Thompsons or more specifically Wildflower. In terms of girls/fun don't think I need to go anywhere else in that scene,lol. Was there Sunday night and my oh my was the place on fire or what?
Me the uncool 905er was opened by I'd say a 7 that lives in the area. She is actually the one willing to commute from downtown to the 905 boonies to come see me tomorrow. Btw I'm a aging old fart in my 40s and she's only 26.
Keep your head up guys and enjoy what good weather we have left.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Moma - 09-02-2016
Quote: (09-01-2016 09:49 PM)Kaizen Wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/25...-1.3743090
I'm not white but this is insane.
Toronto is the most PC city on the planet.
That diversity might just be met by companies with an OPENLY Lesbian/Man hating lizard, Gay and Tranny workforce. It's Toronto's attempt to establish their own version of affirmative action due to the centuries of torment and abuse that Lesbians, Gays and Trannies have had to suffer in Canada.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Dr. Howard - 09-02-2016
Quote: (08-15-2016 08:33 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:
Quote: (08-15-2016 07:55 AM)Pokerbaby Wrote:
Uber? Nobody makes any decent coin doing Uber.
http://uberpeople.net/forums/Toronto/
Cannot believe everything you read, just look at the Trolls post on here.
I know a dancer who gave up dancing to do Uber, she clears $1000 per week.
She doesn't joke about her money.
I wonder if Uber would be a good front for an escort service, or just like a "hooters" soft prostitution type thing. A hot chick driver, who has a profile of her with some slutty cleavage would likely get repeat customers and good tips. They could offer cash 'upgrades' to clients once they were in the car to drive topless etc.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - goodington - 09-02-2016
Nah, you can't pick your driver so the odds of that working are slim. Backpages and SA are effective enough anyway, escorts don't need to drive around hoping to find customers.
As a semi-regular UberPool customer I find that other customers are ripe for being opened, especially late at night.
$1,000 a week is not that great either, that's only $48K per year and it's all taxable.
What's the matter with Toronto? Seriously... - Heart Break Kid - 09-03-2016
Planning a trip in mid October with some friends in either Toronto or Montreal.
How cold is it around this time? Are people outside doing stuff?