[RichieP]

For people who feel drawn to doing some good in the world, let's talk about it!

Like, Specifically, I'd love to know more about:

-Smart thinking on what actually IS important in the world (education? environment? does they even matter if politics and business are corrupt and incentivised wrongly? does any of THAT matter if modern humans are just emotionally dysfunctional?! Where are the leverage points?)

-How can you contribute in ways that actually effect real lasting, sustainable change in a system, not just putting out fires or giving out handouts?

-How can you really use your talents and passions to contribute?

-Contributing with technical skills - e.g. doing programming on worthwhile projects, or analysis/consulting for social enterprises. Ideas on finding these sorts of projects, or working for like-minded people/companies?

-Anything to do with sustainable business or social enterprise - books?

Any opinions on the above, or books/resources would be really cool.

I read a good book called "Systems Thinking: A Primer" which gets into some of this. Talks about complex systems, their leverage points and how counter-intuitive the actions you need to take to change the system often are. Really seems like it should be something all policy makers and managers should understand.

Ultimately... on my deathbed I wanna be able to look back with a smile and say "yeah, I had a good run. I used my gifts and did some good."

[Giovonny]

Richie,

This is an honorable thread. Not all of us want to waste our lives partying around the world. Some of us do want to help others and make the world a better place.

I would like to educate and reprogram as many beta men and feminist women as possible.

I am preparing to do this by banging as many women as possible. This gives me a unique understanding of human nature. By seducing and banging these women, I am freeing them from the modern feminist entrapments that they me be caught up in. Advanced degress, power hungry career moves, trying to make more money then the average man. All of this seems pointless and masculine to her when I have her legs pointed towards the ceiling as she abandones her worldy ambitions and allowing me to pound her back into true womanhood. She can feel the tension and anxiety relaese from her body and mind as her feminity returns to a healthy level. She is not designed to be inventing technologies and solving the wars of the world. She is designed to support and please her man. I'm am re-educating todays woman one by one. Wish me luck on this noble journey to re-align humanity back into harmony with natures design.

After doing this for a few decades, I will then use the knowledge I've gained to reprogram the beta males of the world. No longer will they pedastalize women and worship the forever bleeding animal that lives between the female legs. No longer will they put their own needs ahead of the wants of the female. No longer will they shame and embarass themselves to gain favor with a potential mate. I wish to free the males of the world from the shackles of "pussy-worship" and the depressing existence of betadom.

I envision a world of free men who choose to interact with women on their own terms.

Wish me luck as I set to make the world a better place!

[defguy]

LMAO @ Giovonny

I had a radical transformation in thinking not too long ago where I replaced "making a difference" with volunteering. Theres way more to volunteer than Habitat for Humanity or the Womens Shelter and IMHO I believe donating money to charity is just squandering it. To really volunteer and make a difference you would have to volunteer in such a way that it really makes a difference and give something in which you truly posses as value.

A good example of this would be if you were a All Star Swimmer in High School or College and you volunteer coach at an underprivileged school where kids have nothing to do from 4pm to 8pm to teach them values, work ethic as well as keep them out of trouble. Volunteering at the rich high school full of well off kids wont do anything for those spoiled brats so volunteering at the schools on the south side of town is the way to go.

Hollywood made a few movies, some based on true stories that show how much of a difference can be made.

The Blind Side with Sandra Bullock
Coach Carter with Samuel L Jackson
Gridiron Gang with Dwayne Johnson
Hard Ball with Keanu Reeves

Even Malcolm Gladwell wrote about it in one of his books either Blink or Outliers where one of the poorest slums in the US had highest math grades due to an after school center being built.

Of course when I say "Volunteering" I dont just mean for sports and with kids/teenagers. I mean take something you have that is valuable like knowledge of business, sports, etc. And share it with the world for free, dont expect anything in return. It wont be easy and Im sure it will suck at times like if you got your teeth knocked out during a practice gone horribly wrong (happened to a friend of mine, he got his teeth fixed and still volunteers) but you will have a sense of satisfaction that cannot be matched.

[Kish]

(01-23-2012 01:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I am preparing to do this by banging as many women as possible. This gives me a unique understanding of human nature. By seducing and banging these women, I am freeing them from the modern feminist entrapments that they me be caught up in. Advanced degress, power hungry career moves, trying to make more money then the average man. All of this seems pointless and masculine to her when I have her legs pointed towards the ceiling and she is abandoning her worldy ambitions and allowing me to pound her back into true womanhood. She can feel the tension and anxiety relaese from her body and mind as her feminity returns to a healthy level.

[Deluge]

(01-23-2012 01:48 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

(01-23-2012 01:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I am preparing to do this by banging as many women as possible. This gives me a unique understanding of human nature. By seducing and banging these women, I am freeing them from the modern feminist entrapments that they me be caught up in. Advanced degress, power hungry career moves, trying to make more money then the average man. All of this seems pointless and masculine to her when I have her legs pointed towards the ceiling and she is abandoning her worldy ambitions and allowing me to pound her back into true womanhood. She can feel the tension and anxiety relaese from her body and mind as her feminity returns to a healthy level.

PLUS FUCKING ONE

[Giovonny]

I honestly wasn't sure if I was joking or being serious when I wrote that. But, now I'm sure. I was dead serious. I would like to help unhappy betas who haven't found their "mojo" and unhappy feminists searching for their place in the world. My methods may be questionable, I know.

Anyways, Defguy and I had a little PM exchange about this thread.

We agreed that "giving back" is important.

He convinced me to share my experience as a mentor to poor youth. I volunteer as a mentor/coach/referee thru my local YMCA.

Recently, they have been sending me out to a more rural area to work at a trailer park. These kids are pretty fucked up, poor, no respectable men around, moms are on drugs, all are on welfare. (They are white kids if anyone cares)

I basically teach them how to "play", as funny as that sounds. They don't have enough sports experience to properly set up little games in their trailer park. I find a place in the park that is good for football, soccer, ultimate frisbee, etc. We also got them a basketball hoop.

I teach them how to set up a field, how to pick teams, the rules of the game, and most importantly how to enjoy playing ball and not get caught up in stupid little arguments that ruin the game. I give them some structure so that they can just have fun and be kids.

I do this so that my life is not 100% about getting money and chasing girls. This way my life is only 99% getting money and chasing girls.

Making the world a better place, one poor kid, beta male, or feminist at a time.

I think I will start "shaming" white knights and cock blockers publicly to improve the world even more.

[RichieP]

yeah thats cool man. I think contribution is very personal and what's the right way for one person is gonna be totally diff from the next person. Because we all have brains wired for different things. It's cool you've stepped up and are actually volunteering and making a real difference, more than I can say for myself.

I pretty much agree with you on the PU thing. I feel it too, every time I pull a woman and show her what a positive, dominant male is like, I'm putting some good energy out there into the "social economy" and she's then going to have that experience and hopefully expect that more next time, hold guys to that standard, be more true to her feminine side which will rub off on her friends abit.... etc. A tiny but knock-on effect perhaps.

I do kind of feel like I gotta do something big. Then again my life isnt exactly in order right now and I'm in no position to make an impact yet. So I need to balance getting my life in order, getting my careers skills up and make more money, while actually getting moving toward doing some good on some level. It's tough, but then I suppose thats what your 20's and 30's are supposed to be about. If it was already easy, there wouldnt be much point living to 80 or 90

[Arado]

(01-27-2012 12:24 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I honestly wasn't sure if I was joking or being serious when I wrote that. But, now I'm sure. I was dead serious. I would like to help unhappy betas who haven't found their "mojo" and unhappy feminists searching for their place in the world. My methods may be questionable, I know.

Anyways, Defguy and I had a little PM exchange about this thread.

We agreed that "giving back" is important.

He convinced me to share my experience as a mentor to poor youth. I volunteer as a mentor/coach/referee thru my local YMCA.

Recently, they have been sending me out to a more rural area to work at a trailer park. These kids are pretty fucked up, poor, no respectable men around, moms are on drugs, all are on welfare. (They are white kids if anyone cares)

I basically teach them how to "play", as funny as that sounds. They don't have enough sports experience to properly set up little games in their trailer park. I find a place in the park that is good for football, soccer, ultimate frisbee, etc. We also got them a basketball hoop.

I teach them how to set up a field, how to pick teams, the rules of the game, and most importantly how to enjoy playing ball and not get caught up in stupid little arguments that ruin the game. I give them some structure so that they can just have fun and be kids.

I do this so that my life is not 100% about getting money and chasing girls. This way my life is only 99% getting money and chasing girls.

Making the world a better place, one poor kid, beta male, or feminist at a time.

I think I will start "shaming" white knights and cock blockers publicly to improve the world even more.

Ok, by bringing "the truth about game," to betas you are opening up a can of worms. Game is premised on evolutionary psychology, which makes rather bold claims on human nature, often stating that our instincts and actions are genetic rather than socially determined. If you use game to tear down feminism, that will show a clear victor in the nature v. nurture controversy. Once the blank slate ideology of the modern world falls, justifications for many disturbing policies towards the mentally ill, criminal, irresponsible, etc... will become much stronger.

Game becomes part of mainstream knowledge -> male-female genetic differences in behavior acknowledged-> feminism crumbles -> social engineering itself is questioned -> government institutes policies designed to maximize genetic fitness of society as opposed to social measures designed to provide opportunity.

Anything is possible after that, whether gattaca or Brave new world, etc...

[RichieP]

(01-28-2012 02:31 AM)ao85 Wrote:  

Ok, by bringing "the truth about game," to betas you are opening up a can of worms. Game is premised on evolutionary psychology, which makes rather bold claims on human nature, often stating that our instincts and actions are genetic rather than socially determined. If you use game to tear down feminism, that will show a clear victor in the nature v. nurture controversy. Once the blank slate ideology of the modern world falls, justifications for many disturbing policies towards the mentally ill, criminal, irresponsible, etc... will become much stronger.

Game becomes part of mainstream knowledge -> male-female genetic differences in behavior acknowledged-> feminism crumbles -> social engineering itself is questioned -> government institutes policies designed to maximize genetic fitness of society as opposed to social measures designed to provide opportunity.

Anything is possible after that, whether gattaca or Brave new world, etc...

I disagree man. It's the current setup with girls feeling like they have to be masculine and guys being scared to be masculine that is deranged.

It's not that betas are truly "betas" - it's that they've taken on that role from the fucked up societal gender dynamics / social conditioning.

Helping people come back to their true nature - men being men and women being women - it's gotta be a good thing man.

The Brave New World stuff is abit of a pipedream IMO. We're fundamentally a social, tribal species, evolved to work together for a common good. Everything works better if we're true to our biological natures, i.e. men being masculine, women being feminine.

[Roosh]

Trying to make a difference in the world = beta

But making a difference in the world by living the life you want...

[ElJefe]

(01-28-2012 10:09 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Trying to make a difference in the world = beta

But making a difference in the world by living the life you want...

Don't you try, try and try again until you succeed? Does lack of success necessarily mean you're a beta until success comes, then you're alpha? I wonder.

I think a more accurate formulation would be: letting other people take unfair advantage of you is beta. Then you're just being weak by acquiesencing their selfishness.

[Roosh]

I try to succeed for me first, not for anyone else, and via my success others can also benefit.

There are a lot of activist feminists who think they are changing the world for the better. I find that the more someone wants to change the world, the less power they should be given. There are many examples in history of men who utopian visions who changed the world in horrifying ways.

[Tuthmosis]

(01-28-2012 10:09 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Trying to make a difference in the world = beta

But making a difference in the world by living the life you want...

(01-28-2012 10:34 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

I try to succeed for me first, not for anyone else, and via my success others can also benefit.

There are a lot of activist feminists who think they are changing the world for the better. I find that the more someone wants to change the world, the less power they should be given. There are many examples in history of men who utopian visions who changed the world in horrifying ways.

This is true. It takes a significant amount of hubris to think that you can know the intricacies and consequences of your "change" to improve humanity. How do you know feeding the starving children in Africa, for instance, doesn't have some far-reaching consequences for children in China? People like religious missionaries are packed to the brim with the form of condescension and blindness. Good intentions are not enough.

I find that a lot of "activist" men are, indeed, beta. I know several guys like this, and they go crazy when I tell them that "they might not really making a difference, just making themselves feel better." Girls that are activist are also more masculine. It's like these activist-minded types blend somewhere in the middle into this uni-gender that we despise so much.

I think that the best way to make a difference is to be an exceptional man who does great things. That doesn't mean not helping people or donating money, it means not being in that beta mindset.

[ElJefe]

Well, I wouldn't be so quick to scoff at traditional ideas of service, but I doubt that's what you guys meant.

What happens to a society where you remove basic morality and values - or if you don't believe in that, were you replace social norms like giving to charity, national service, etc. with an apathy of morality? There's a big, fat historical example covering about 8 million square miles and 300 million people. And they did less than splendidly.

Especially with something like a volunteer military, it's critical you don't rely on market forces alone - then you just have mercenaries who will as soon turn against you. You need selfless individuals who believe in patriotism to put duty before their own needs, even when it means their own death. if no one is willing to die for country, we lose all credibility when we warn enemies their transgressions will not go unopposed (historical examples abound).

An institution like this was hundreds of years in the making and is absolutely critical to our success and survival as a nation and people.

Giving back to the community serves a real, indentifiable purpose for civil society and has concrete benefits, economic as well as social. I say this as an economist. Compare societies with high levels of trust with societies like the FSU were no one trusts each other because communism taught everyone backstabbing each other was the way to get ahead. Sure you can free-ride and get away with it, but if everyone does that the the ship will eventually sink. I can't see why anyone aware of the diagnosis and symptons would then actively try to exacerbate them.

Trust between individuals on a micro and macro scale come from acts of generosity and leaps of faith that take CENTURIES of accumlation before it achieves a level that benefits us like we see today, but, as the FSU demonstrates, only a few years to destroy. Like air, we can't see it, so we just take it for granted, because it's always there.

So to the OP - what industry you choose has little to do with your alphaness. Your own masculinity and maturity as a man does. Existentialist types will disregard what you do and tell you it's all pointless anyways, but there was a time when society as a whole recognized and honored the work you suggest. I can agree with Tuth that a lot of "do gooders" end up making things worse, his examples being the ones I would've thought of, but that's a misunderstanding on their part of the policies - the basic idea they have is right on, they just messed up on how to carry it out.

Anyways... most men, by definition, are betas anyways, so you'll find them in any industry, activist and NGOs are nothing particular.

As for myself, I'm just a grad student still living off the good-will of society, I've been lucky to receive a whole lot without giving back yet. But within the limits of what I can influence I will always impress the importance of morality and selflessness upon my peers. And not in words, which are tiresome to listen to - but in actions.

PS. If you think this topic is interesting I suggest reading C.S. Lewis "The Abolition of Man". It's less than 100 pages, but it was pretty momentous. Then again, I was young and impressionable when I read it...

[speakeasy]

For many, "making a difference" is self-serving mostly; Done to feel good about oneself and relieve any guilt you feel by virtual of being born into relative affluence when half the world lives on a dollar a day. I think of your typical liberal chic that goes to Africa to hand out mosquito nets and rice and then takes a bunch of photos posed with third world children which she will then post to her facebook to get "street cred" as an humanitarian. I know an older woman who went to a poor country for one week for some sort of volunteer thing. Made this big hype about it on her FB that she was going there to help out. Then posted a million damn pics. In a way it was kind of sickening. There was this whole "look at me and what I did to help" aspect to it. I don't say this to discourage people from volunteering. There are billions of people out there that need help of course, and nothing wrong with playing some role in doing that. But some people treat it like it's just another form of adventure tourism. They leave a week later and go back to Facebooking and TMZ while those kids they posed with still have flies crawling all over their face.

[ElJefe]

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[gringoed]

This is something that I've been meditating on quite a bit recently. I think the wrong question is "What change needs to happen in the world?".

I think the right question is: "What is my unique gift, that is aligned with my true self?"

[ccurtis189]

(01-23-2012 01:23 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

Richie,

This is an honorable thread. Not all of us want to waste our lives partying around the world. Some of us do want to help others and make the world a better place.

I would like to educate and reprogram as many beta men and feminist women as possible.

I am preparing to do this by banging as many women as possible. This gives me a unique understanding of human nature. By seducing and banging these women, I am freeing them from the modern feminist entrapments that they me be caught up in. Advanced degress, power hungry career moves, trying to make more money then the average man. All of this seems pointless and masculine to her when I have her legs pointed towards the ceiling as she abandones her worldy ambitions and allowing me to pound her back into true womanhood. She can feel the tension and anxiety relaese from her body and mind as her feminity returns to a healthy level. She is not designed to be inventing technologies and solving the wars of the world. She is designed to support and please her man. I'm am re-educating todays woman one by one. Wish me luck on this noble journey to re-align humanity back into harmony with natures design.

After doing this for a few decades, I will then use the knowledge I've gained to reprogram the beta males of the world. No longer will they pedastalize women and worship the forever bleeding animal that lives between the female legs. No longer will they put their own needs ahead of the wants of the female. No longer will they shame and embarass themselves to gain favor with a potential mate. I wish to free the males of the world from the shackles of "pussy-worship" and the depressing existence of betadom.

I envision a world of free men who choose to interact with women on their own terms.

Wish me luck as I set to make the world a better place!

Fuck that. I want them to have jobs though. It's better they have a nice career rather than run around trying to emulate Desperate Housewives and then divorce us and take half our shit. Just because they have a high paying career doesn't mean you can't fuck them stupid.

[Arado]

(01-28-2012 06:20 AM)RichieP Wrote:  

I disagree man. It's the current setup with girls feeling like they have to be masculine and guys being scared to be masculine that is deranged.

It's not that betas are truly "betas" - it's that they've taken on that role from the fucked up societal gender dynamics / social conditioning.

Helping people come back to their true nature - men being men and women being women - it's gotta be a good thing man.

The Brave New World stuff is abit of a pipedream IMO. We're fundamentally a social, tribal species, evolved to work together for a common good. Everything works better if we're true to our biological natures, i.e. men being masculine, women being feminine.

But when you say "Helping people come back to their true nature," you are acknowledging that nature exists. And that all male-female differences are not social conditioning.

Yes, I know this is obvious to anyone with half a brain, but this is not how our policy and societal assumptions about gender gaps function. And once we can say "hey, males and females are genetically different," where do we go from there? Alot of assumptions that are taken for granted in the policymaking sphere then crumble. A return back to the 1950's mentality is not going to be easy.

In terms of we're evolved to work together for a common good, the only justification you can find for that is in selfish gene theory, which states that you should help those that are related to you. If anything, though, this is more tribal, and not conducive to stable societies (see the difficulty of establishing nation states in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc...)
And group selection theory touches on that, but it's still quite controversial. If anything, I think a Brave New World situation would be what government would decide if they wanted to genetically eliminate differences between people to bring the concept of equality to its ideological conclusion.

The "spreading," of the game mentality throughout the US and Western Europe will have an end game at some point, and I'm curious to see what dominant ideology comes about as a result.