[Future82]

Secret Society

Author: Tyler Durden


Many guys will dislike this, because it implies that women are sluts and untrustworthy. Well, I can only speak from my experience and report back what I’ve seen. I’m also posting in a semi-satirical tone – I haven’t gone off the deepend….. yet…

A secret society exists. Around 52% of people on this earth are a part of it.

Of that 52%, 50% are women, 2% are men.

Of that 2%, 1% of those men are gay, the other 1% are players.

What I’m talking about is the sex secret society – and you are either *IN* or *OUT*.

SOME RULES OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:

1) Don’t talk about the secret society.

2) The priority of the secret society is to have perpetually good emotions in all members.

3) Create shrowds around the secret society, like “all men are dogs”. Hide the truth that women are far more likely to cheat than men.

4) If you are part of the secret society, you will never be denied anything at any point.

5) If you are not part of the secret society, you will scrap and beg for everything you get.

6) Communication in the secret society is less often verbal, and more often spoken through bodylanguage subcommunications, and verbal subcommunications that would only make sense to members. Any other way, and the 48% of men would pick up on it, and it would no longer be a secret.

7) At the first sign that someone who is not part of the secret society is possibly trying to pretend that he is, barate him with both love-rhetoric, and accusations of chauvanism and nit-witted-ness.

It’s OK to cheat on someone who is not a part of the secret society, so long as it is for the purpose of fulfilling the needs of someone who is, or if it to fulfill your own needs and it is with someone who is a part of the secret society. Sleeping with a rare guy from the secret society is no worse than grinding with a girlfriend at a club and making out with her. “It doesn’t count”.

9) Nobody judges eachother in the secret society. There is no such thing as a slut. A slut is only as slutty as people who are NOT in the secret society are aware of.

10) Secret society members COME FIRST. If someone in the society is not having fun with an interaction, it is cut off. Conversely, if a secret society male is with a non-secret-society male, and a secret society female (all females) decides she wants sex from the secret society male, the friend of the female may have sex with the non-secret-society male, because EVERYONE in the interaction must feel good. However, if the non-secret-society male is blowing himself out so badly that he makes the female member feel very bad emotions, then the secret-society-male must face the consequences of bringing negative emotions into the equation, and lose out on his privilege for sex in that interaction, until he ditches the non-secret-society male. Bear minimum requirements for non-secret-society males being grandfathered in with the male member, is that he not qualify himself or make anyone feel uncomfortable. Failing to meet those requirements, both are blown out.

WHAT IS THE SECRET SOCIETY?

Women are repressed by men, and so must look out for themselves. They will take care of:

1) Their own sexual needs.

2) The sexual needs of anyone in the secret society.

3) The sexual needs of the few males who make the secret society possible (“players”).

The secret society is what allows women to appear wholesome and allows them to screen for a long term provider/emotionaltampon.

Women hold off to find the perfect boyfriend, while sleeping with a guy who is likely sleeping with all of their friends, and their friends friends.

They also fuck their gay boyfriends or jerk them off or give them head. They’re part of the secret society too, so they can’t be left out.

EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS FROM SECRET SOCIETY INSIDERS (based on dozens of interviews I did over the summer, with girls in London England, as well as some from my own experience as a player):

1) If you tell a girl that you’re gay, and that you want to “see what it feels like to be with a girl”, she’ll sleep with you. She won’t insist on using a condom either, unless you do. You’re part of the secret society, where condoms aren’t necessary because they are logical entities and not emotionally relevant.

2) If you subcommunicate that you are a part of the secret society, and tell the friend of your target “I’m really lonely. My girlfriend cheated on me, and I need to re-validate myself tonight”, she’ll tell her friend to fuck you. Her friend will realize from this that you are a part of the secret society, and she’ll fuck you. Moreover, if the friend refuses, the ugly girl will offer you a blowjob to help you out.

3) If you manage to verbally subcommunicate that you are a member (its still subcommunication, because the verbal ways you communicate it aren’t direct at all), the secret society members will gladly tell you all about their sexual exploits and adventures. As soon as you subcommunicate that you desire romance, she will immediately retract all of her previous statements (and she’ll look completely congruent doing so), and downplay them that it was something she did just one time and that she’s looking for a relationship.PUA: “I love to go out and hook up. I hate it when girls try to run my life”.. HB: “Me too.. I hooked up with guys all last year.. My boyfriend tried to control me, but I do what I want.. My girlfriends all do it too.”PUA: “Really? Cause to be honest, I’ve always felt like I’m a romantic guy.. And girls always cheat on me.. I want to find a girl who won’t cheat.”HB: “I would never cheat. Guys are dogs. I’m always loyal.”PUA: “But didn’t you say…”HB: “No, I said nothing.”PUA: “No, you said that you don’t let your boyfriend control you and you do what you want.”HB: “No, I didn’t mean that. I’m not a slut. I have no idea what you’re talking about, I didn’t say that.”

4) If you are a member, and say that you are really lonely and you need someone to snuggle and makeout with, all members of the secret society will agree to do so with you. If you are a girl, you have privilege to snuggle and kiss and sleep in the same bed as all other girls. If you are gay, you can do the same. If it escalates to sex, its an accident and does not count. If you’re a player, and you make girls around you emotional, and the friends are all in good emotions about it, they sleep with you. No one is a slut in the secret society, because the secret society does not judge.

5) If a group of girls living together find a guy who is in the secret society, they will all fuck him. They’ll recommend him as an honourary secret society member, and enjoy him. Meanwhile they may be in relationships with non-secret society members that they’ve fallen in love with, however this is not an issue because nobody in the secret society judges and sex with people in the secret society does not count. If you are a secret society member now, but in the past enjoyed a romantic relationship, what you may not realize is the part that was left out of the romance novel story (due to rules no1&2 of the secret society code), which was that after you dropped her off your romantic star watching, a secret society member came by and fucked the shit out of her without a condom and gave her the money shot all over her face.

6) If a secret society male has a non member male friend, the friend of the girl who wants sex from the male member will have sex with the non-member even if she doesn’t like him. However, rules state that if if the non-member is “creepy/scary” (kinos too much, leans in too much, asks dumb questions, tries too hard to impress, overqualifies), then the male member will be expected to return either alone or with another male member. Also, the male members must remember that positive emotions are always priority, and if he is alone he must still maintain the positive emotions of the female member who will not be getting sex, secret society rules not to be breached. Number 1 rule of the secret society, outside of not talking about it, is that EVERYONE maintains GOOD emotions.

THE UNDERLYING MISUNDERSTOOD TRUTH OF THE SECRET SOCIETY:

The 49% of men who live outside of the secret society don’t understand the mental model of attraction of people who are in the secret society.

Men view attraction in their MALE MENTAL MODELS. They believe that attraction is “sexual aggression”. They understand attraction as having a physical urge to have sex, and then mentally deciding that you will go after it.

They try to seduce women by touching and grabbing them, and getting them very horny. They try to seduce them in the SAME WAY that a woman would do well seducing THEM. They try to seduce them as if they were seducing a GUY. This sometimes works, and the propaganda is spread – “this is how to get chicks”.

Secret society members will not fill them in, due to breach of the code.

What the secret society members are not telling you, is that they understand that most sex occurs when women are not sexually AGGRESSIVE, but sexually RECEPTIVE.

They understand that for women to be ready for sex, they need not feel horny, they need only feel EMOTIONAL.

They understand that women are not logical, and that they are emotional. They understand that for women sex is not a big deal at all, and that its their LOGIC that puts the breaks on it.

They understand that most women are afraid of sex because they lack TRUST, and because their LOGIC is putting on the breaks.

They disarm logic by making the women EMOTIONAL, so that their LOGIC (which is the BREAKS of emotion) becomes disarmed, and at the same time maintain TRUST, so that the emotions generated won’t be interfered with.

Then they simply have sex, because although the women are not WANTING sex, they are too EMOTIONAL to DECLINE sex. Then, once they BEGIN to have a physical interaction, the women become horny and sexually aggressive as a result, and sex begins.

(NOTE: This is why girls must COCKBLOCK for eachother. Because they know that clubs are emotionally charged environments, and that it wouldn’t take much for a guy to use her resulting sexual receptiveness to lay her. The guy may not be a guy that the girl would lay normally, were she feeling more logical, so the girls must look out for eachother. Guys don’t need to do this because firstly, they will not be judged for sleeping around (no logic), secondly, they are sexually aggressive – not receptive – so their decisions will not be regretted later usually, and thirdly, because they do not need trust because they are not usually in any physical danger).

They also understand that value + trust + attraction = sex (rough lazy model).

Value = being someone in the secret society (it can also be SO many other things, but being a member can in some cases be sufficient)

Trust = not telegraphing interest

Attraction = increasing her buying temperature by making her emotional (emotionally aroused, not necessarily physically aroused.. the former will cause her to be too illogical to prevent you from causing the latter, when she’s ready)

Don’t tell anyone about this. All knowledge will be denied and you will be ridiculed.

[WestIndianArchie]

When he posted this way back when, it was tongue and cheek. Nowadays noob cats take this stuff to be gospel.

[Future82]

Based on my observation and experience, there's actually a lot of truth to it.

[hydrogonian]

Actually, I find this paradigm to be very, very useful. Subconsciously, I still use it to great effect today. Combined with a couple of other perspectives, it helped me to come up to be much more effective.

In general, I think it's very useful for men because, more than anything, it helps greatly in not making beginner to mid-level mistakes. Seriosuly, I'm shocked as to how some game vets will routinely violate some of the rules that this model expresses or implies, to their detriment. Therefore, personally, I wouldn't classify it as "noob" material. Actually, it's a bit advanced if its interpreted and applied correctly.

I feel that it can really help polish some rough spots for guys at a certain point in their game, and I have found it useful as recently as this past weekend to succinctly explain to a close friend of mine (I trimmed out a lot of the fat and explained just the essential applied approach to the model) why his game went bad when he had a "secret society' interaction with a woman wherein she explicitly told him that she wanted to fuck the first night that they met, and he then subsequently managed to drop the ball, communcate that he wasn't in the club, and not get fucked. By communcating that he wasn't in the club, he managed to give away his accrued value and he's now reverted to value "neutral" in this girls mind - along with every other guy in the city. Hard to do, right? For all the right things that he did (he's no noob, to put it mildly) he did enough wrong things, at the wrong times, to fuck himself up. In his mind, he was just acting natural. Reacting to what he though he had in the most natural way that he knew how. However, what he didn't get is that when the woman expressed her desire to fuck on the first night (a secret society communcation), the relationship changed. She had advanced the relationship past its normal progression, and was testing his club membership, and he needed to respond correctly. He fucked up by reversing the process of seduction and trying to invite her on a date in between that time and the time they would fuck (logisitcs were impossible the night that she told him she wanted to bang), he expressed negative emotions at one point in time (his biggest downfall), he engaged in some non-sexual flirting after she told him, and some other mistakes that wouldn't have happened if he had further developed his game built on the principles in this model.

Most "seduction" is designed to do one of two things:

1. Circumvent the need to express club membership - this is the typical three to four date lay where the guy will try to get laid based on wit, talk, and dinner / drinks - most men get very mixed results.

2. Communciate club membership as fast as possible - fast lays. This is really the essence of "game" by any method. His article doesn't really tell you how to do that, rather its usefullness is explaing the model and telling you what behavior that you need to avoid to avoid communciting that you aren't in the club. There are some holes that need to be filled in, but they can be readily done so as you learn different game approaches. Just keep the principles here as one of a few "skeleton frameworks" of general principles that you should keep in mind while applying specific techniques over top.

The difference between good and great can probably be defined as being competent enough to put everthing in the net when you have an open shot. That skill is exactly what the secret scoeity model conveys, as well as how to get that open shot, if you read into it and apply it the right way. I don't agree with everything in the model, but have adapted the parts that I find essentail to my game very well.

Also, I don't follow Tyler Durden, but that specific model is one useful thing that I took away from his writings that I read years ago.

[Kish]

(01-15-2012 01:49 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

However, what he didn't get is that when the woman expressed her desire to fuck on the first night (a secret society communcation),

This is key. Sex is no big deal. You don't need to go on several dates just to get some pussy. He claims half of the male population knows about this. I disagree. I think it's much smaller then that. When you go for sex on the first night she will know ur a "member".

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-15-2012 01:49 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Also, I don't follow Tyler Durden, but that specific model is one useful thing that I took away from his writings that I read years ago.

No one thought this was gospel in 2003. For whatever reason people do in 2012.

If this meshes with your overall belief system, You should look up Brad P and his take on club game/night game. It fleshes out the practical side of the "secret society"

[hydrogonian]

(01-15-2012 12:27 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

If this meshes with your overall belief system, You should look up Brad P and his take on club game/night game. It fleshes out the practical side of the "secret society"

Warning, my response is a bit tangential:

Maybe I will. Although, I don't really have a belief system. I apply models that I find useful in getting what I want or that protect my self interests.

We all ultimately use beliefs to advance our self interest, and most of the time the beliefs are taught and adopted as unmoveable models of reality (hopefully taught by someone with your self-interest at heart - one of the most horrible travesties of the human experience is when people are taught belief systems that ultimately hurt themselves and benefit others - it's very common that people don't understand the ultimate purpose of their various beliefs). However, you can also actively adopt and drop models as a method of continuous self improvement and increasing personal effectiveness.

"Belief" in any one model is just the failure to acknowledge the possible validity of other models, and therefore to deprive yourself of the effectiveness of something better when and if it comes along. Reality is subjective and changes according to the perciever. Hence, people who don't believe or know about the amorphous "secret society" and people who do. For the men that don't believe in it, it doesn't exist. And it really doesn't. No one seriosuly beleives that women are consciously aware of a secret society, least of all women. As far as women are concerned, their "secret society" is comprised of the most truly alpha men that they know. End of story. For those men that do beleive in it, it serves to mold the subjective reality around them to the end of making them more effective in their environment.

But that's getting a bit off-track. I'm open to new game techniques, but that being said, my technique hads been fairly well fleshed out for a while. I find the "secret society" metaphor a simple set of rules for player / alpha sexual behavior that are difficult to argue with - and when men do go against them they tend to get laid less or crash and burn horribly when presented with a real "secret society" situation as my friend was recently (should the situation not immediately lead ot the bedroom - hence cutting short the time the ignorant man has to fuck it up). It's not that I believe in an actual "secret society" or any of the other weird bullshit that Durden crafts around the core set of rules (like making men feel bad who aren't "in the society").

I had no idea that that little article has become so popular. I forget when I read it, but it was defiantely 5+ years ago. It stood out for me then, and has been a useful and effective framework of rules for me. It allows me to get a meta-perspective on what other guys do wrong (as do a couple of other frameworks) where they have no model to know why the woman didn't respnd the way that she thought he would.

Thanks for the recommendation, though. I'll check it out.

[The_CEO]

(01-15-2012 01:49 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Actually, I find this paradigm to be very, very useful. Subconsciously, I still use it to great effect today. Combined with a couple of other perspectives, it helped me to come up to be much more effective.

In general, I think it's very useful for men because, more than anything, it helps greatly in not making beginner to mid-level mistakes. Seriosuly, I'm shocked as to how some game vets will routinely violate some of the rules that this model expresses or implies, to their detriment. Therefore, personally, I wouldn't classify it as "noob" material. Actually, it's a bit advanced if its interpreted and applied correctly.

I feel that it can really help polish some rough spots for guys at a certain point in their game, and I have found it useful as recently as this past weekend to succinctly explain to a close friend of mine (I trimmed out a lot of the fat and explained just the essential applied approach to the model) why his game went bad when he had a "secret society' interaction with a woman wherein she explicitly told him that she wanted to fuck the first night that they met, and he then subsequently managed to drop the ball, communcate that he wasn't in the club, and not get fucked. By communcating that he wasn't in the club, he managed to give away his accrued value and he's now reverted to value "neutral" in this girls mind - along with every other guy in the city. Hard to do, right? For all the right things that he did (he's no noob, to put it mildly) he did enough wrong things, at the wrong times, to fuck himself up. In his mind, he was just acting natural. Reacting to what he though he had in the most natural way that he knew how. However, what he didn't get is that when the woman expressed her desire to fuck on the first night (a secret society communcation), the relationship changed. She had advanced the relationship past its normal progression, and was testing his club membership, and he needed to respond correctly. He fucked up by reversing the process of seduction and trying to invite her on a date in between that time and the time they would fuck (logisitcs were impossible the night that she told him she wanted to bang), he expressed negative emotions at one point in time (his biggest downfall), he engaged in some non-sexual flirting after she told him, and some other mistakes that wouldn't have happened if he had further developed his game built on the principles in this model.

Most "seduction" is designed to do one of two things:

1. Circumvent the need to express club membership - this is the typical three to four date lay where the guy will try to get laid based on wit, talk, and dinner / drinks - most men get very mixed results.

2. Communciate club membership as fast as possible - fast lays. This is really the essence of "game" by any method. His article doesn't really tell you how to do that, rather its usefullness is explaing the model and telling you what behavior that you need to avoid to avoid communciting that you aren't in the club. There are some holes that need to be filled in, but they can be readily done so as you learn different game approaches. Just keep the principles here as one of a few "skeleton frameworks" of general principles that you should keep in mind while applying specific techniques over top.

The difference between good and great can probably be defined as being competent enough to put everthing in the net when you have an open shot. That skill is exactly what the secret scoeity model conveys, as well as how to get that open shot, if you read into it and apply it the right way. I don't agree with everything in the model, but have adapted the parts that I find essentail to my game very well.

Also, I don't follow Tyler Durden, but that specific model is one useful thing that I took away from his writings that I read years ago.

Long overdue +1, Hydro.
Sadly, I can attest to this. I made the same mistake once.
Never again...

[King Solomon]

I think the whole thing boils down to the way Barry Sanders used to just toss the football to the ref after a score.

Act like you've been there before.

[Prowl]

A big lesson I take from this is be very cognizant of what othe dudes you have in your company when talking to girls. No bad emotions, you're responsible if your chode friends are killing the vibe.