[justgottaask]

This must be the most noobie question/observation ever but here it goes:

Aren't you worried about STDs or do you plan on wearing a condom forever? Sex with a condom..yuck. Yeah, these girls are cheaper than a wife but who know where they've been and condoms are not all that effective against herpes and you can get herpes even if it doesn't show and the tests have a significant false negative rate (and some strains of herpes can be lead to serious issues down the road).

I guess if you have a live in mistress you can try and enforce monogamy but after that

[Roosh]

This site (and game) isn't for you if you're worried about STDs. Try eharmony instead.

[Lief]

Some of the pics are not real.

For example, one of the pics is of famous porn star Sasha Grey.

[Jalouse]

You can also take a look through the guys to see what kind of figures people are putting up, some are obviously bs and just don't add up i.e $1 mil annual income and over $100 mil net worth - something is definitely wrong there. There are also people who put much more modest figures such as annual income $75 -100k and net worth $750,000 - I wonder how much interest these guys get?

[Hooligan Harry]

@Lief

There is no doubt that there are going to be some fake pics uploaded, but the vast majority will be genuine. They are not exactly going to land a fat cat if their pictures are fake. What do they say when they meet? They are setting themselves up to mistresses, not escorts. Also, I saw a few pornstars on that site from what I could remember. They were the actual pornstars and their profiles stated that they were pornstars. They did not hide the fact. Maybe there are more on there that do.

There is no doubt that a few of them are adult workers already or strippers, but the vast majority are the sorts of women we are trying to pick up in clubs and on the street.

@Jalouse

Making a million bucks a year is no big stretch anymore. Over 10 million US households have a net worth in excess of a million bucks. There is no doubt some guys are going to exaggerate though, that is a given.

[babelfish669]

(11-01-2011 08:52 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Making a million bucks a year is no big stretch anymore. Over 10 million US households have a net worth in excess of a million bucks. There is no doubt some guys are going to exaggerate though, that is a given.

$1m income & over $100m net worth = income is less than 1% of net; that is whats doesn't add up. Of course, at that level its just as easy or easier to lose $1m in a year as it would be to make it.

[pitt]

Nice experiment. The girls are definetely hot, you should try fuck few of them.

Anyway, i personally wouldnt spend 100k per year in a girl in order to keep them as a fuck buddy specially when i am sure that she is a gold digger. Even if i was making 10 million per year, i could spend that 100k for chasing other chicks. If i was to use such game then i would do it for a month then dump the girl and replace her with another bad chick. Not point keeping them for so long.

[SamBellamy]

Hooligan Harry,

Long time lurker here. I was motivated by your experiment and decided to do one of my own. My results weren't surprising to me but I just wanted to experience first hand what any gamer probably already knew.

I set up a dummy account on PlentyOfFish as a female and on seekingarrangement as a sugar daddy. Your observations are spot on. On POF I was swarmed by over 150 messages in my inbox and I hadn't even been on there a full day! On seekingarrangement, I have been getting messages, though the response has not been as overwhelming as yours. I guess it just goes to show you that a female ALWAYS have more options than a man even if he is obscenely wealthy. So game and the abundance mindset is a must if we are to get some.

Question for you: Did you upgrade to a premium membership for your little experiment? I won't do this but the site apparently needs me to upgrade my account before they allow me to view my messages

[Prowl]

This has motivated me to start trolling bitches on POF.

In other news, $1M income on $100M NW is preposterous, that's a 1% APR? Does he keep it in a mattress? Obviously bullshit.

I would assume that most of the girl photos are real, particularly if they are pushing to meet up in person.

Great experiment.

[Hooligan Harry]

@Sam

I upgraded to a full account because I wanted access to messages. If memory serves me correct, was about 50 bucks? I forget though if the chicks can see who is a full member or not.

[el mechanico]

HH great job! How do you think this intel can be parlayed into some bangs for the slightly above average joe?

[Hooligan Harry]

(11-03-2011 10:18 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

HH great job! How do you think this intel can be parlayed into some bangs for the slightly above average joe?

Status is everything. Outer game is the illusion of status and inner game is the belief of status, justified or not.

When we game women its all out displays of status. You treat her like shit because pussy is easy to come by for you. You plow through shit tests because she does not phase you. You approach her because she does not intimidate you.

The biggest markers of status are

dominance (game, bad boys, alphas, etc)
wealth (money, lifestyle, toys, etc)
fame (bad boy, connected, well known, celebrity, highly respected, etc)
looks
power (authority, alphas, position)

This is the best thing about being a man. A womans status is tied solely to looks, ours is tied to far, far more.

Men need to excel and stand clearly above others in those various markers before they are regarded as high status. Work to your strengths and be mindful of what you are doing.

More than anything, the real lesson here is that women are all whores. Outright fucking whores. They are all whores and they all exchange sex for something. Yes they enjoy it, but there is a price. Emotional attachment, currency, your social network, impressing her friends, that itch she had. They are selfish beyond belief and men need to learn that they will almost ALWAYS act out of self interest first. Even when it seems they will not.

I think the only exception is their own children, and even there I wonder sometimes. I adore them even with all their faults, but I am under no illusions with them. Learning to accept them for what they are not only makes it easier to deal with them it makes it far easier to fuck them to. There is no needle in the haystack, there is no special different girl, our mothers and sisters are the same. This shit is hard wired in them and its not a weakness nor is it wrong, its just female.

[pitt]

Hooligan if you dont mind me asking, how old are you? Your financial success makes you ''sound'' a bit old then on the other side you sound like a young cat with lots of knowledge.

[SamBellamy]

Thanks for the reply Hooligan Harry.

[gonzoman925]

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[Hooligan Harry]

(11-03-2011 03:11 PM)pitt Wrote:  

Hooligan if you dont mind me asking, how old are you? Your financial success makes you ''sound'' a bit old then on the other side you sound like a young cat with lots of knowledge.

Im 34 now.

[ccurtis189]

Good God these girls make me sick.

[Wizard]

Sweet Jesus Christ.

I decided to stroll through the profiles of all the girls from my state, and I think I've actually started hating women a little more.

"Not interested in sex, just a companion?"

I've seen this line a dozen times, and the sheer audacity of it is mind numbing. I'm not sure what is more disturbing, that some women actually believe there worth this or there are some guys out there who would actually do it.

This was an impressive experiment anyway Harry, very revealing.

[Steven Lurkel]

Damn! Well, I suppose that spells it.

Nice work, man.

[James_London]

(11-03-2011 12:28 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(11-03-2011 10:18 AM)el mechanico Wrote:  

HH great job! How do you think this intel can be parlayed into some bangs for the slightly above average joe?

Status is everything. Outer game is the illusion of status and inner game is the belief of status, justified or not.

When we game women its all out displays of status. You treat her like shit because pussy is easy to come by for you. You plow through shit tests because she does not phase you. You approach her because she does not intimidate you.

The biggest markers of status are

dominance (game, bad boys, alphas, etc)
wealth (money, lifestyle, toys, etc)
fame (bad boy, connected, well known, celebrity, highly respected, etc)
looks
power (authority, alphas, position)

This is the best thing about being a man. A womans status is tied solely to looks, ours is tied to far, far more.

Men need to excel and stand clearly above others in those various markers before they are regarded as high status. Work to your strengths and be mindful of what you are doing.

More than anything, the real lesson here is that women are all whores. Outright fucking whores. They are all whores and they all exchange sex for something. Yes they enjoy it, but there is a price. Emotional attachment, currency, your social network, impressing her friends, that itch she had. They are selfish beyond belief and men need to learn that they will almost ALWAYS act out of self interest first. Even when it seems they will not.

I think the only exception is their own children, and even there I wonder sometimes. I adore them even with all their faults, but I am under no illusions with them. Learning to accept them for what they are not only makes it easier to deal with them it makes it far easier to fuck them to. There is no needle in the haystack, there is no special different girl, our mothers and sisters are the same. This shit is hard wired in them and its not a weakness nor is it wrong, its just female.

Hooligan Harry,

This is one of the best discussions I have seen for a very very long time and I enjoyed it a lot.

I have been on both sides of the fence, displayed immense real Value at times and playing the numbers game at other times.

When I was displaying immense value, girls would do anything to be in my life or they would make the pickup very very easy. Now I see how I was picking up Russian catwalk model who happened to be on London Fashion Week's Chanel show. (I had lunch with my friend in the financial district in London, I was in my suit, I was happy and smiling, and I had rock solid belief in myself as I had already picked up several polish or other slavic or english girls that year)

However, life being life, everynow and then I slip in Value ladder due to my focus in other things, and suddenly the results dip just like crazy.

I remember the words of one of my mentors. He would say that performance is everything, and, if you perform (and put the value in there), the girls will just do whatever you tell them. Now, it is clicking.


I even have the same phenomenon happening in my immediate family circle or friend circle. Let me explain: Over the last few years, I've improved my style, gave my friends more value by oganizing parties, and simply making them happier. Since I'm travelling this last 6 months, these newer friends are asking me when I'm returning back to London. My older friends (being not the coolest gang around the block) are probably seeing me the old me, not my best self.

I would also tie this to "God Syndrome". I heard this from one of my mentors. The idea is that, once you pull right, centre, and left, you start believing that you have god like syndrome, and start dropping your standards, and hit a wall and notice that you cannot pull as good as before coz the demand by your target is the same, namely "Value", respect it.

To make it simple: If I was a happy bunny, and smiling, and trully not caring, I was pulling really sweet. The second I become a little bit serious, everything becomes really really difficult.

[themaxx]

(11-01-2011 05:56 PM)Lief Wrote:  

Some of the pics are not real.

For example, one of the pics is of famous porn star Sasha Grey.

You're on crack that doesn't look anything like Sasha Grey

[Deluge]

(11-03-2011 12:28 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

More than anything, the real lesson here is that women are all whores. Outright fucking whores. They are all whores and they all exchange sex for something.

HH, I know you and I have had some disagreements on this forum, but that is some poignant shit there. Understanding that one fact is what separates beta pedestalizers from alpha womanizers. +1

[esperar]

(10-31-2011 06:41 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(10-31-2011 06:29 PM)Vacancier Permanent Wrote:  

I was browsing the site out of curiosity and when I saw this, I couldn't believe the arrogance of that cunt!
http://www.seekingarrangement.com/detail.php?id=680523

"I am seeking a gentleman pamper me. Currently, I am seeking immediate assistance. To be frank, I will only consider a SD who is willing to provide an allowence to cover the costs of travel, tuition, rent, and living costs. Sorry, I just do not wish to waste anyone's precious time! In return, I can provide meaningful companionship and become a longterm confidant and caring friend as well.I will not consider being contracted for illicit sex. Sorry, that is not for me. Let's face it, the less you expect/demand it, the more likely it may happen."

Holly shit, is this the typical decent, not fatty american girl's attitude? Unreal!

Yep.

I guarantee that chick is banging guys who have no money at all, while the rich guys get nothing from her.

[Duke Castile]

HH I'm wondering how competitive your offer for compensation is compared to the other guys.

Fucking epic post btw.

[wolf]

(11-03-2011 12:28 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

More than anything, the real lesson here is that women are all whores. Outright fucking whores. They are all whores and they all exchange sex for something. Yes they enjoy it, but there is a price. Emotional attachment, currency, your social network, impressing her friends, that itch she had. They are selfish beyond belief and men need to learn that they will almost ALWAYS act out of self interest first. Even when it seems they will not.

Some pills are tough to swallow but I think a man's quality of life is better when he realizes how people are around him, especially women.

I think it's very important to know the knowledge about women for the protection of ourselves.