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What’s your ‘flake rate’ from night number closes
01-11-2019, 09:45 AM
My flake rate depends extremely age, location, looks and sympathy.
I used to visit lots of under18 partys until recently (until 36), I easily got 1-3 numbers per night, including kissing here and there. But dates? Not often. Maybe 1 out of 40, maybe less (then again I almost never spent more than 30min with a girl because I got bored earlier, kissing or not).
If my only purpose was to get a better flake rate, I'd approach women 35y+, average looks, who looked friendly. If I did that, I guess the flake rate would be very low.
Conclusion? Without context (pickup video from you, your age, your locations, the women you target), the question doesn't make sense.
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What’s your ‘flake rate’ from night number closes
01-11-2019, 02:07 PM
Quote: (01-08-2019 07:41 PM)Rocha Wrote:
Quote: (01-08-2019 02:00 AM)The_e_man Wrote:
Here's a bit of wisdom regarding night game:
If you ain't taking her home that night, you likely ain't ever taking her home at all.
That is mostly true with tourist girls in your city, or when a guy is traveling to other city. Though I have banged tourists (including american) after only getting the contact (number, instagram, facebook...) in a bar in a given night, and then we met other day where I sealed the deal.
With local girls in your local city, or medium/long term staying girls (students, expats, etc), I strongly disagree with this statement.
We can disagree and still both be right in a way.
I firmly think if a girl (especially a western girl, I live in Canada) wants to fuck you, she will do it that night. The number is nothing more than a soft rejection or - if she's a low SMV girl herself - a way of funnelling you into the "orbiters that text me and give me attention and try to chill with me" camp. A really hot (i.e. high SMV) girl won't even bother with having a random guy from the bar being her orbiter - she already has tons of higher value guys filling that role.
Where our source of disagreement may come from, is perhaps you aren't in a western society where girls are much more free and open with their promiscuous lifestyles. In that case, the number and waiting game are a necessary part of the process.
Over here, that's certainly not the case with most girls and I'll repeat again: If she ain't fucking you tonight, she's probably never gonna fuck you.
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What’s your ‘flake rate’ from night number closes
01-11-2019, 03:11 PM
From my experience, even in the West it really depends on the type of night venue where the interaction happened.
If you're meeting a girl at a club or a high-energy bar with loud music/cheap booze, then I completely agree. In these venues girls are younger, more likely to be drunk or on party drugs, and generally have a shorter attention span to where they forget they even met you the next day. Unless you're inviting her to "afterparty" at your place after meeting early in the night, grabbing a number in these venues is meaningless. I remember I'd grab 10 numbers/night at a big club and be exhilarated, and then get home and get zero replies. Nowadays if I get a club number, I text her that same night to invite her over to my place, otherwise I've learned its a dead end.
Meanwhile if you're meeting a girl at a quieter bar/lounge, or in more of a social circle setting (house party, table at a bar where you know ppl), then a number can absolutely work IF she was invested in the conversation and you're able to get her out on a date within the next week or two at most. I'd say the majority of my nightgame pulls have been of this variety rather than pure ONS. You can also substitute IG for a number depending on the type of girl you're going after.
For a guy inexperienced with nightgame (or somebody who only wants ONS), a good rule of thumb is to not put much hope on numbers and really go for a girl until you get rejected. I think as one gets more acquainted with the night scene in a specific city, it becomes easier to put the value of a number into context and decide whether to push exclusively for the same night or be content with moving onto other chicks with a number in the pocket.
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01-11-2019, 05:53 PM
^^^
Very well said, RDF.
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01-12-2019, 02:42 PM
Whether you're in a bar, club or whatever, the first thing you need to do is to start escalating almost immediately. Girls who are drinking are far more receptive to touching if they're actually interested. Escalating will also scare off tons of the girls who have no interest in you other than talking and wasting your time. The process should take a little bit of time. 5 minutes is usually not enough unless you're on the dance floor or something.
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What’s your ‘flake rate’ from night number closes
01-13-2019, 01:25 AM
Quote: (01-12-2019 02:42 PM)godzilla Wrote:
Whether you're in a bar, club or whatever, the first thing you need to do is to start escalating almost immediately. Girls who are drinking are far more receptive to touching if they're actually interested. Escalating will also scare off tons of the girls who have no interest in you other than talking and wasting your time. The process should take a little bit of time. 5 minutes is usually not enough unless you're on the dance floor or something.
Yep, basic screening game. Almost feel like this thread may be better served in the newbie section.
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What’s your ‘flake rate’ from night number closes
01-13-2019, 03:19 AM
Who cares
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