In case you haven't seen it yet - there's a few videos and descriptions (of the incident, and interviews of the woman and Hunt's friends) here:
https://www.kctv5.com/news/chiefs-kareem...ac56a.html
I don't follow the NFL, but thought this was worth commenting on.
I'll say the obvious first - a reasonable person doesn't support violence against anyone (men or women) unless it's in self defence or a matter of survival.
Hunt has been cut by his team and it's unclear if he will play again or not.
He deserves some type of punishment for this, for sure.
But, watch all three videos (of them interviewing the girl, the friends, and the actual incident) and then consider this:
- She allegedly was underage and was out drinking with Hunt at a club (presumably with drinks and a VIP section he provided for her and her friend)
- She allegedly call someone a ni**er when she was asked to leave Hunt's apartment
- The reasons for her being asked to leave the apartment range from Hunt finding out she was underage, to her refusing to hook up with one of Hunt's friends
- She allegedly hit one of Hunt's female friends when she was asked to leave
- She allegedly stood outside Hunt's door drunk, shouting at the people inside
- She allegedly was so drunk she left her phone inside Hunt's room
- She allegedly was standing down in the elevator foyer with her friend, and wouldn't leave before Hunt's friend came down to ask them why they wouldn't leave, and they said they had no money to get home. Hunt's friend allegedly gave her money for an Uber and at some point she allegedly got aggressive and grabbed at Hunt's friend's chain on his neck and snapped it
- Hunt came down at this point and you see what happened on the video
Some things to note on the video are:
- Hunt is standing still saying something to the woman, and the woman clearly comes into Hunt's personal space. Hunt pushes her (which he shouldn't have)
- The woman hits Hunt immediately in the face (which she shouldn't have)
- Hunt pushes a man at some point in the video (which he shouldn't have) and the woman happens to be behind him (it's unclear if this was intentional or not). The woman falls to the ground but she doesn't hit her head on anything (if you slow the video down, you'll clearly see that). She falls to her knees/shins, but grabs at her head like she's hit her head (she is probably in shock - which explains why she gets up and then squats down straight after to cry).
- Hunt does kick her at the end of the video (which he shouldn't have), but it should be noted it's a pretty light kick to the bottom of her leg
Watch the video of them interviewing the girl - look how much she plays the helpless victim. Consider watching this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SddZvNQOuFw . It might explain her behavior in her interview video - but I will give her some benefit of the doubt - a 19 year old girl in that situation would be pretty shaken up - but then again, she does seem like a good actress too (look at how quickly she snaps out of crying at about the 44 second mark to start rationally explaining the situation, and then turns on the tears again at the end of the video).
Then, watch the interview of Hunt's friends - look how calm and relaxed they are about recounting everything in a detailed way.
What am I trying to say by writing this post?
1. None of this should have happened. Violence is never the answer
2. There's two sides to every story - it looks like in this instance though, both parties have a fair bit of blame for what happened, from reading between the lines
3. Hunt has been penalised heavily, lost his job, and the media are all applauding it. It looks like his name and reputation are permanently tarnished
4. There is clearly toxic femininity in this instance by the woman (hitting Hunt and his friend, breaking Hunt's friend's chain) - in addition to vagina privilege (get invited to the club, to the apartment, getting free drinks etc), alleged racism (calling someone a ni**er), and playing the complete victim card very well (in the interview)
5. Nothing has happened to the woman yet - she likely won't lose her job and definitely won't be dragged through the media or shamed
6. Both Hunt and the woman are very young (19 and 23) - I think they both made bad mistakes in this case
The whole thing is a very interesting case, but a clear case of how everything else is thrown out the window the second a man lays a finger on a woman - however slight, and no matter what a woman has done
Once again, I don't support violence against women (or men), but - where are we going to end up as individuals and a society if we keep not putting any type of a check on what women say and do?
I will always listen to a man or woman who has been assaulted - and you give people due process and a fair trial.
But, would this have all turned out differently if men were given the option to report toxic femininity to the police for example and get a fair outcome so they don't have to deal with the matter themselves (when the drunk girl allegedly hit Hunt's friend and called them ni**ers, and then broke the friend's neck chain).
I'm not saying what the specific right outcome is to this - it's just an interesting case study of many different social issues that seem relevant now.
This is a thought piece more than anything for men (young men in particular) and women to consider (putting aside all the external factors like how high profile he is, that he plays in the NFL which is a huge business, how the media want to make headlines and money, the social and political climate etc.).
https://www.kctv5.com/news/chiefs-kareem...ac56a.html
I don't follow the NFL, but thought this was worth commenting on.
I'll say the obvious first - a reasonable person doesn't support violence against anyone (men or women) unless it's in self defence or a matter of survival.
Hunt has been cut by his team and it's unclear if he will play again or not.
He deserves some type of punishment for this, for sure.
But, watch all three videos (of them interviewing the girl, the friends, and the actual incident) and then consider this:
- She allegedly was underage and was out drinking with Hunt at a club (presumably with drinks and a VIP section he provided for her and her friend)
- She allegedly call someone a ni**er when she was asked to leave Hunt's apartment
- The reasons for her being asked to leave the apartment range from Hunt finding out she was underage, to her refusing to hook up with one of Hunt's friends
- She allegedly hit one of Hunt's female friends when she was asked to leave
- She allegedly stood outside Hunt's door drunk, shouting at the people inside
- She allegedly was so drunk she left her phone inside Hunt's room
- She allegedly was standing down in the elevator foyer with her friend, and wouldn't leave before Hunt's friend came down to ask them why they wouldn't leave, and they said they had no money to get home. Hunt's friend allegedly gave her money for an Uber and at some point she allegedly got aggressive and grabbed at Hunt's friend's chain on his neck and snapped it
- Hunt came down at this point and you see what happened on the video
Some things to note on the video are:
- Hunt is standing still saying something to the woman, and the woman clearly comes into Hunt's personal space. Hunt pushes her (which he shouldn't have)
- The woman hits Hunt immediately in the face (which she shouldn't have)
- Hunt pushes a man at some point in the video (which he shouldn't have) and the woman happens to be behind him (it's unclear if this was intentional or not). The woman falls to the ground but she doesn't hit her head on anything (if you slow the video down, you'll clearly see that). She falls to her knees/shins, but grabs at her head like she's hit her head (she is probably in shock - which explains why she gets up and then squats down straight after to cry).
- Hunt does kick her at the end of the video (which he shouldn't have), but it should be noted it's a pretty light kick to the bottom of her leg
Watch the video of them interviewing the girl - look how much she plays the helpless victim. Consider watching this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SddZvNQOuFw . It might explain her behavior in her interview video - but I will give her some benefit of the doubt - a 19 year old girl in that situation would be pretty shaken up - but then again, she does seem like a good actress too (look at how quickly she snaps out of crying at about the 44 second mark to start rationally explaining the situation, and then turns on the tears again at the end of the video).
Then, watch the interview of Hunt's friends - look how calm and relaxed they are about recounting everything in a detailed way.
What am I trying to say by writing this post?
1. None of this should have happened. Violence is never the answer
2. There's two sides to every story - it looks like in this instance though, both parties have a fair bit of blame for what happened, from reading between the lines
3. Hunt has been penalised heavily, lost his job, and the media are all applauding it. It looks like his name and reputation are permanently tarnished
4. There is clearly toxic femininity in this instance by the woman (hitting Hunt and his friend, breaking Hunt's friend's chain) - in addition to vagina privilege (get invited to the club, to the apartment, getting free drinks etc), alleged racism (calling someone a ni**er), and playing the complete victim card very well (in the interview)
5. Nothing has happened to the woman yet - she likely won't lose her job and definitely won't be dragged through the media or shamed
6. Both Hunt and the woman are very young (19 and 23) - I think they both made bad mistakes in this case
The whole thing is a very interesting case, but a clear case of how everything else is thrown out the window the second a man lays a finger on a woman - however slight, and no matter what a woman has done
Once again, I don't support violence against women (or men), but - where are we going to end up as individuals and a society if we keep not putting any type of a check on what women say and do?
I will always listen to a man or woman who has been assaulted - and you give people due process and a fair trial.
But, would this have all turned out differently if men were given the option to report toxic femininity to the police for example and get a fair outcome so they don't have to deal with the matter themselves (when the drunk girl allegedly hit Hunt's friend and called them ni**ers, and then broke the friend's neck chain).
I'm not saying what the specific right outcome is to this - it's just an interesting case study of many different social issues that seem relevant now.
This is a thought piece more than anything for men (young men in particular) and women to consider (putting aside all the external factors like how high profile he is, that he plays in the NFL which is a huge business, how the media want to make headlines and money, the social and political climate etc.).
