[Nonpareil]

(10-04-2011 05:05 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

1. Let's say you're in a public place and you see a bitch (that you didn't know)getting a massive beat down , would you intervene on her behalf?

2. Would you testify against your best friend if you had knowledge that he was guilty of domestic violence against his girlfriend?

3. If you were in a snow storm with 2 whores(one ugly and fat, and the other pretty), and had two coats, would you give the coats to the whores or keep one coat and give the other coat to both or just to one?

4. Lastly, they are three people trapped in a fire in a house. The three people are your mother, your beloved wife, and one of your children. You can only save one of them , who would it be?

1) Two or less guys and I step in and lay it down. I'm a pretty big dude with some boxing and martial arts training and I can handle mine. Three or more and I call the cops; I'm not taking a beatdown or possibly a gunshot/knifeblade for some board I don't even know.

2) No. This is North America; if a woman is unhappy with being beaten, she can leave (funny how often that doesn't happen).

3) If it's very cold I keep both, if it's just plain cold I keep one and give one to the pretty, slender girl.

4) I'm not married or with child, but if I did have a child, I would save them first, then go for my Mom and then for my wife.

[Roosh]

1. No, I would call the police. I'm not a hero, and guys have died trying to be one. Here's a recent case:

Quote:

Friends of a 33-year-old Indian man who died when he tried to protect a woman who was being mugged on a Paris metro train are trying to raise money to send his body back to India for a funeral.

http://www.thelocal.fr/1380/20111004/

[el mechanico]

(10-04-2011 05:05 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

1. Let's say you're in a public place and you see a bitch (that you didn't know)getting a massive beat down , would you intervene on her behalf?

2. Would you testify against your best friend if you had knowledge that he was guilty of domestic violence against his girlfriend?

3. If you were in a snow storm with 2 whores(one ugly and fat, and the other pretty), and had two coats, would you give the coats to the whores or keep one coat and give the other coat to both or just to one?

4. Lastly, they are three people trapped in a fire in a house. The three people are your mother, your beloved wife, and one of your children. You can only save one of them , who would it be?

1. I have done this a few times. Once on a boat when I was 16 this thirty or so dude was on top of this woman pounding her face. It was too unfair for me to witness and I had to kick his ass. Not because it was a woman I just believe once a fight is won it's over.

2.I would never testify against a friend.

3. Me and the hottie in one coat together while she holds my hard on.

4. My kids safety/life is the most important thing to me

5. Give back the wallet with the cash.

[Pete]

(10-04-2011 05:05 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

1. Let's say you're in a public place and you see a bitch (that you didn't know)getting a massive beat down , would you intervene on her behalf?

2. Would you testify against your best friend if you had knowledge that he was guilty of domestic violence against his girlfriend?

3. If you were in a snow storm with 2 whores(one ugly and fat, and the other pretty), and had two coats, would you give the coats to the whores or keep one coat and give the other coat to both or just to one?

4. Lastly, they are three people trapped in a fire in a house. The three people are your mother, your beloved wife, and one of your children. You can only save one of them , who would it be?

1. No. Unless it's a family member, and even then think very carefully before doing it.

2. No. I wouldn't talk to the police voluntarily. Unless there's a court order. I wouldn't perjure myself for no one.

3. One coat for me, and if I don't need the other then I can give it to them, they decide who gets it.

4. I've never had a child. So probably I'd save my mother. I wouldn't save the wife as I don't plan to have one.

(10-04-2011 05:24 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

5. If you found a wallet on the street with $500 dollars in it and it contained the person's ID and business card, what would you do? Would you call the number on their card and tell them you have their wallet? Or would you keep it? And if you say "I'd keep the money but anonymously send them the wallet", that's the same as keeping it.

5. I'd take the $500 or a chunk of it (Right now, if I didn't need the money then I'd probably wouldn't take it). Then mail it to him with no return address.

[Nonpareil]

(10-04-2011 05:24 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

5. If you found a wallet on the street with $500 dollars in it and it contained the person's ID and business card, what would you do? Would you call the number on their card and tell them you have their wallet? Or would you keep it? And if you say "I'd keep the money but anonymously send them the wallet", that's the same as keeping it.

I have twice found wallets in my life. The first time I was really young, maybe ten and there was only a few bucks in it, so I took it to my parents and they contacted the person it belonged to. He gave them the money that was in it and they gave it to me.

The second time was just a few years ago, in the middle of the street of all places and it was me and a buddy. There was over $300 in it. We split the money, destroyed the credit cards (which were probably already cancelled) and then dropped it into a mailbox.

If you're dumb enough to lose your wallet, you don't deserve any of the liquid cash that you left in it, but I won't run up your credit cards (and that's more because I'm worried about getting caught and charged with fraud than anything about my ethics).

[velkrum]

(10-05-2011 11:05 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

If you're dumb enough to lose your wallet, you don't deserve any of the liquid cash that you left in it

BRILLIANT !!!! because people CHOOSE to lose their wallet on purpose.

What really sucks is your parents seem to have raised you to do the right thing and be an honest person.......

(10-05-2011 11:05 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

I have twice found wallets in my life. The first time I was really young, maybe ten and there was only a few bucks in it, so I took it to my parents and they contacted the person it belonged to. He gave them the money that was in it and they gave it to me

...........what happened ?

[Nonpareil]

(10-05-2011 11:26 AM)velkrum Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 11:05 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

If you're dumb enough to lose your wallet, you don't deserve any of the liquid cash that you left in it

BRILLIANT !!!! because people CHOOSE to lose their wallet on purpose.

What really sucks is your parents seem to have raised you to do the right thing and be an honest person.......











...........what happened ?

I never said people choose to lose their shit, I said people are dumb, apathetic and don't pay attention. Way to say exactly what I didn't say.

It's somehow difficult for people to constantly keep an eye on their wallet when it's not in their pockets? I keep my wallet in the same place every time I go out, and when I pay for something I don't let it leave my hands. When I go home at night, I put it in the same place every time, and if I go to spend the night at a girl's place or a friend's house, I leave it in my car, and if I take PT, I leave it in my jacket.

You think when I was making under $2,000 a month working in a factory and having to dedicate almost half of that to rent, groceries and gas that I'm going to decline a free $170 that some joker left in the middle of the street? If I was making 20 grand a month I'd leave it, but I wasn't; relativity.

Guy got his wallet back, short the cash and he didn't get a credit bill for like 12G's at the end of the month, how is this bad? If it belonged to some pretty girl or a retired person living off a pension and savings, I'd deliver it personally, totally intact.

The first time I was ten years old and there was maybe $30 in the wallet. What's a ten year old who can't drive, can't walk farther than a certain distance from home and with his parents watching his every step going to do with money?

[Pusscrook]

(10-05-2011 11:05 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

[quote='speakeasy' pid='101287' dateline='1317767092']

The second time was just a few years ago, in the middle of the street of all places and it was me and a buddy. There was over $300 in it. We split the money, destroyed the credit cards (which were probably already cancelled) and then dropped it into a mailbox.

If you're dumb enough to lose your wallet, you don't deserve any of the liquid cash that you left in it, but I won't run up your credit cards (and that's more because I'm worried about getting caught and charged with fraud than anything about my ethics).

Non,

Quick question. Since we are talking about honor , I am trying to understand how one would square the word , honor,( or ethics) as you stated, with " cleaning out a wallet but leaving the credit cards in tact simply because you would be worried about getting caught and charged with fraud. I'm not passing judgment but it seems a bit odd.

[Pusscrook]

(10-05-2011 11:05 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

(10-04-2011 05:24 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

5. If you found a wallet on the street with $500 dollars in it and it contained the person's ID and business card, what would you do? Would you call the number on their card and tell them you have their wallet? Or would you keep it? And if you say "I'd keep the money but anonymously send them the wallet", that's the same as keeping it.

I have twice found wallets in my life. The first time I was really young, maybe ten and there was only a few bucks in it, so I took it to my parents and they contacted the person it belonged to. He gave them the money that was in it and they gave it to me.

The second time was just a few years ago, in the middle of the street of all places and it was me and a buddy. There was over $300 in it. We split the money, destroyed the credit cards (which were probably already cancelled) and then dropped it into a mailbox.

If you're dumb enough to lose your wallet, you don't deserve any of the liquid cash that you left in it, but I won't run up your credit cards (and that's more because I'm worried about getting caught and charged with fraud than anything about my ethics).

Non,

Since we are talking about the word honor, (or even ethics) as you stated, How do you square such words with a statement such as: " I won't run up your credit cards and that's more because I'm worried about getting caught and charged with fraud". Does that mean if you knew you wouldn't get caught you would run up the credit card, and take the cash? I'm not judging you, but how would you square honor ,(ethics) with such a statement?

[MikeCF]

1. This is a sucker's bet. I have actual training and can fuck shit up. But to clean up a situation, you need to neutralize your attackers. This means you cannot merely intervene. You must do "injury so great that vengeance need not be feared."

So if I throw the guy off, he pulls a gun or knife, I'm dead.

If I slam the guy in the face, and stomp his head to prevent him from getting up, I'm in prison.

In efforts led by women, the government has made male force against the law. I will therefore let the woman get raped or beaten up. It is, after all, what she asked for.

[Pusscrook]

(10-05-2011 04:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

In efforts led by women, the government has made male force against the law. I will therefore let the woman get raped or beaten up. It is, after all, what she asked for.

This would probably not apply to a female relative of yours or a friend you care about, would it?

[MikeCF]

(10-05-2011 04:23 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 04:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

In efforts led by women, the government has made male force against the law. I will therefore let the woman get raped or beaten up. It is, after all, what she asked for.

This would probably not apply to a female relative of yours or a friend you care about, would it?

If you want to use some form of the Socratic method, I'll save you the hassle: Yes, different rules apply when members of my family and friends are concerned. Morality, in other words, is not universal. Not all humans are equal. Those close to me are more equal than others.

[MikeCF]

Also, re: the coat. You gys need to think bigger.

At this phase in my life, I'm far more worried about biz opps than hopefully white knighting myself into some trim by giving a girl a coat.

Maybe the fat chick has loaded parents. If so, I save her.

[flyordie]

1. nah, not my problem.

2. like gman said, i don't talk to cops.

3. i'd put on both coats[1] and use the hot bitch to keep warm.

4. wife. if i married her then she must be special[2]. mum's had a long life. one of implies others, and anyway I can make more.

5. return the wallet with the money. i ain't that hard up for cash, and anyway isn't that what we admired about the japanese after the tsunami?

[1] pimp coats, natch.

[2] if not then i planned this fucking fire.

[el mechanico]

(10-05-2011 04:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

1. This is a sucker's bet. I have actual training and can fuck shit up. But to clean up a situation, you need to neutralize your attackers. This means you cannot merely intervene. You must do "injury so great that vengeance need not be feared."

So if I throw the guy off, he pulls a gun or knife, I'm dead.

If I slam the guy in the face, and stomp his head to prevent him from getting up, I'm in prison.

In efforts led by women, the government has made male force against the law. I will therefore let the woman get raped or beaten up. It is, after all, what she asked for.

Choke him out. Done. If he's busy hitting someone else.

[MikeCF]

(10-05-2011 06:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 04:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

1. This is a sucker's bet. I have actual training and can fuck shit up. But to clean up a situation, you need to neutralize your attackers. This means you cannot merely intervene. You must do "injury so great that vengeance need not be feared."

So if I throw the guy off, he pulls a gun or knife, I'm dead.

If I slam the guy in the face, and stomp his head to prevent him from getting up, I'm in prison.

In efforts led by women, the government has made male force against the law. I will therefore let the woman get raped or beaten up. It is, after all, what she asked for.

Choke him out. Done. If he's busy hitting someone else.

That's an attempted murder charge.

If there are multiple guys, I'm not going to tie myself up by slapping on an RNC.

[el mechanico]

(10-05-2011 06:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 04:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

1. This is a sucker's bet. I have actual training and can fuck shit up. But to clean up a situation, you need to neutralize your attackers. This means you cannot merely intervene. You must do "injury so great that vengeance need not be feared."

So if I throw the guy off, he pulls a gun or knife, I'm dead.

If I slam the guy in the face, and stomp his head to prevent him from getting up, I'm in prison.

In efforts led by women, the government has made male force against the law. I will therefore let the woman get raped or beaten up. It is, after all, what she asked for.

Choke him out. Done. If he's busy hitting someone else.

That's an attempted murder charge.

If there are multiple guys, I'm not going to tie myself up by slapping on an RNC.

It is? If someone was beating down hard on someone here and you choked them out the cops would fist pump you. I will keep that in mind though.

We fight so much here that the law barely ever gets involved unless it's domestic.

[Pusscrook]

(10-05-2011 06:15 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 04:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

1. This is a sucker's bet. I have actual training and can fuck shit up. But to clean up a situation, you need to neutralize your attackers. This means you cannot merely intervene. You must do "injury so great that vengeance need not be feared."

So if I throw the guy off, he pulls a gun or knife, I'm dead.

If I slam the guy in the face, and stomp his head to prevent him from getting up, I'm in prison.

In efforts led by women, the government has made male force against the law. I will therefore let the woman get raped or beaten up. It is, after all, what she asked for.

Choke him out. Done. If he's busy hitting someone else.

That's an attempted murder charge.

If there are multiple guys, I'm not going to tie myself up by slapping on an RNC.

It is? If someone was beating down hard on someone here and you choked them out the cops would fist pump you. I will keep that in mind though.

We fight so much here that the law barely ever gets involved unless it's domestic.

I was reading this article on "misprision" and I understand that it still applies in some States. From what I understand ... Misprision of felony: Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same judge or other person in civil or military authority, under the United States, shall be fined under this title,or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. I am trying to find which states still enforce it.

[MikeCF]

(10-05-2011 06:15 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

It is? If someone was beating down hard on someone here and you choked them out the cops would fist pump you. I will keep that in mind though.

We fight so much here that the law barely ever gets involved unless it's domestic.

Where I grew up, same thing. In cities - liberal ones especially - it's different.

The law allows you to use the degree of force necessary to prevent harm to a third party. The degree of force must be reasonable, and will be judged based on all of the facts and circumstances of the situation. The force used cannot be more than was reasonably necessary.

I know too much to risk my freedom on legal mumbo jumbo and police and prosecutorial discretion.

[Pusscrook]

(10-05-2011 07:02 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:15 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 04:20 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

1. This is a sucker's bet. I have actual training and can fuck shit up. But to clean up a situation, you need to neutralize your attackers. This means you cannot merely intervene. You must do "injury so great that vengeance need not be feared."

So if I throw the guy off, he pulls a gun or knife, I'm dead.

If I slam the guy in the face, and stomp his head to prevent him from getting up, I'm in prison.

In efforts led by women, the government has made male force against the law. I will therefore let the woman get raped or beaten up. It is, after all, what she asked for.

Choke him out. Done. If he's busy hitting someone else.

That's an attempted murder charge.

If there are multiple guys, I'm not going to tie myself up by slapping on an RNC.

It is? If someone was beating down hard on someone here and you choked them out the cops would fist pump you. I will keep that in mind though.

We fight so much here that the law barely ever gets involved unless it's domestic.

I was reading this article on "misprision" and I understand that it still applies in some States. From what I understand ... Misprision of felony: Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same judge or other person in civil or military authority, under the United States, shall be fined under this title,or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. I am trying to find which states still enforce it.

The law seems to still exist.

[MikeCF]

(10-05-2011 07:04 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 07:02 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:15 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:02 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Choke him out. Done. If he's busy hitting someone else.

That's an attempted murder charge.

If there are multiple guys, I'm not going to tie myself up by slapping on an RNC.

It is? If someone was beating down hard on someone here and you choked them out the cops would fist pump you. I will keep that in mind though.

We fight so much here that the law barely ever gets involved unless it's domestic.

I was reading this article on "misprision" and I understand that it still applies in some States. From what I understand ... Misprision of felony: Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same judge or other person in civil or military authority, under the United States, shall be fined under this title,or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. I am trying to find which states still enforce it.

The law seems to still exist.

There is generally no duty to report a crime to police.

[Pepini]

(10-04-2011 05:05 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

1. Let's say you're in a public place and you see a bitch (that you didn't know)getting a massive beat down , would you intervene on her behalf?

2. Would you testify against your best friend if you had knowledge that he was guilty of domestic violence against his girlfriend?

3. If you were in a snow storm with 2 whores(one ugly and fat, and the other pretty), and had two coats, would you give the coats to the whores or keep one coat and give the other coat to both or just to one?

4. Lastly, they are three people trapped in a fire in a house. The three people are your mother, your beloved wife, and one of your children. You can only save one of them , who would it be?

1.No
2. NEVER. If he needed I would lie in trial in his behalf.
3. I would give it to the Fat one. Eventually I could end up eating the fat fuck.
4. My son.
5. I would give back the wallet intact.

[Pusscrook]

(10-05-2011 07:13 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 07:04 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 07:02 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:15 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:07 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

That's an attempted murder charge.

If there are multiple guys, I'm not going to tie myself up by slapping on an RNC.

It is? If someone was beating down hard on someone here and you choked them out the cops would fist pump you. I will keep that in mind though.

We fight so much here that the law barely ever gets involved unless it's domestic.

I was reading this article on "misprision" and I understand that it still applies in some States. From what I understand ... Misprision of felony: Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same judge or other person in civil or military authority, under the United States, shall be fined under this title,or imprisoned not more than three years, or both. I am trying to find which states still enforce it.

The law seems to still exist.

There is generally no duty to report a crime to police.

Whether there is a duty (morally or legally) to report or not report is inconsequential. The mere existence is the issue .

[Nonpareil]

(10-05-2011 03:53 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 11:05 AM)Nonpareil Wrote:  

(10-04-2011 05:24 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

5. If you found a wallet on the street with $500 dollars in it and it contained the person's ID and business card, what would you do? Would you call the number on their card and tell them you have their wallet? Or would you keep it? And if you say "I'd keep the money but anonymously send them the wallet", that's the same as keeping it.

I have twice found wallets in my life. The first time I was really young, maybe ten and there was only a few bucks in it, so I took it to my parents and they contacted the person it belonged to. He gave them the money that was in it and they gave it to me.

The second time was just a few years ago, in the middle of the street of all places and it was me and a buddy. There was over $300 in it. We split the money, destroyed the credit cards (which were probably already cancelled) and then dropped it into a mailbox.

If you're dumb enough to lose your wallet, you don't deserve any of the liquid cash that you left in it, but I won't run up your credit cards (and that's more because I'm worried about getting caught and charged with fraud than anything about my ethics).

Non,

Since we are talking about the word honor, (or even ethics) as you stated, How do you square such words with a statement such as: " I won't run up your credit cards and that's more because I'm worried about getting caught and charged with fraud". Does that mean if you knew you wouldn't get caught you would run up the credit card, and take the cash? I'm not judging you, but how would you square honor ,(ethics) with such a statement?

I would say that honor sounds good and at times is good, but that it's really all relative. My answers and most of the guys in here answer threads in terms of moral relativism; they'd rush in to knock 1-2 guys beating on a girl but call the cops if it was 7; they'd keep the coats themselves if it was frigid, but give the hottie one of them if it was nippy and so on.

In the case of the second wallet, it was a guy who was in his 30's; as I've said, were it a fly girl or an elderly person collecting pennies, I'd return them the wallet with full cash.

If I knew I wouldn't get caught (there are so many cameras and electronic records these days...Big Brother is always watching you), then yeah, I'd help myself, why wouldn't I? I was making $415 a week and spending about 210 of that on Gas, Groceries, Rent and Cable/Internet.

I wouldn't be a dumbass and get a whole bunch of shit that would cause my parents to ask questions the next time they visited me; I'd get in my car, drive two-towns over, find the corresponding ATM and get a credit advance; if no repercussions then why not?

[el mechanico]

(10-05-2011 07:02 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-05-2011 06:15 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

It is? If someone was beating down hard on someone here and you choked them out the cops would fist pump you. I will keep that in mind though.

We fight so much here that the law barely ever gets involved unless it's domestic.

Where I grew up, same thing. In cities - liberal ones especially - it's different.

The law allows you to use the degree of force necessary to prevent harm to a third party. The degree of force must be reasonable, and will be judged based on all of the facts and circumstances of the situation. The force used cannot be more than was reasonably necessary.

I know too much to risk my freedom on legal mumbo jumbo and police and prosecutorial discretion.

I used to win on craps tables until I researched what was the best way to win. lol. Sometimes I just opt to stay stupid.

Too much knowledge interferes with my instincts.