What would an intellectually healthy school curriculum look like?
Quote: (05-31-2018 01:13 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:
Consider Alfin's "dangerous children" concept:
https://alfin2101.wordpress.com/
As I mentioned in a previous post on this thread my mother is a PhD in Early Childhood Development or Education I can't remember which. Her focus was K-12 curriculum. While I love her as a mother she is a leftist shill and was the Superintendent of a Public School System while she sent me to Private School. I frankly don't know how her and my father got and still get along as the polarization is Slim Jim level extreme.
I texted her your link and she responded, "he's a right wing nut that never had to run a public school system." No way she had time to read what he wrote based on her response.
I read the link and started sending some agreements she has now shut down completely.
Oh mom!
A completely unbiased and straight forward curriculum of math, science, language(s), reading/writing, and history.
Life lessons like personal finance, home economics, career building, etc. should be taught to your by your family and/or extra-curricular sources. The reason for this is that reading, writing, science, math, language, and history are fixed and can be taught 100% objectively anywhere in the world. Aside from some bare basics, the former are not etched in stone. Different cultures, lifestyles, and environments will prefer/require different approaches to money management, occupation, family and community involvement, etc.
Life lessons like personal finance, home economics, career building, etc. should be taught to your by your family and/or extra-curricular sources. The reason for this is that reading, writing, science, math, language, and history are fixed and can be taught 100% objectively anywhere in the world. Aside from some bare basics, the former are not etched in stone. Different cultures, lifestyles, and environments will prefer/require different approaches to money management, occupation, family and community involvement, etc.
Do you think military service should be compulsory for all citizens like in Israel?
Don't debate me.
I think we should go back to apprenticeship style learning. Teach children the basics of health, philosophy, math, critical thinking, etc. And then around the age of 12-14 send them to learn under someone in their chosen field of interest.
We'd have far more Leonardo Da Vinci's in the world if this were implemented.
We'd have far more Leonardo Da Vinci's in the world if this were implemented.
Quote: (05-31-2018 05:49 PM)Pride male Wrote:
Do you think military service should be compulsory for all citizens like in Israel?
Yes, switzerland got something similar, proper military training is key and if you don't do it you're lose some of your rights. Also basic economy, what money is made for and proper communication, in time when people pay huge amount of money to learn to talk to girls this should be mandatory too
Tell them too much, they wouldn't understand; tell them what they know, they would yawn.
They have to move up by responding to challenges, not too easy not too hard, until they paused at what they always think is the end of the road for all time instead of a momentary break in an endless upward spiral
Came across this today, makes great points about the differences between learning styles as well as points out how boys are treated without concern for their education.
Quote: (05-31-2018 05:49 PM)Pride male Wrote:
Do you think military service should be compulsory for all citizens like in Israel?
In a non-SJW society 100% yes, today... not really. The military mirrors society which means in Canada at least it's a lost cause. JFT2 and the army is still okay, but the purple and non-combat trades are fucked.
"Women however should get a spanking at least once a week by their husbands and boyfriends - that should be mandated by law" - Zelcorpion
Quote: (05-31-2018 02:43 PM)General Stalin Wrote:
A completely unbiased and straight forward curriculum of math, science, language(s), reading/writing, and history.
Life lessons like personal finance, home economics, career building, etc. should be taught to your by your family and/or extra-curricular sources. The reason for this is that reading, writing, science, math, language, and history are fixed and can be taught 100% objectively anywhere in the world. Aside from some bare basics, the former are not etched in stone. Different cultures, lifestyles, and environments will prefer/require different approaches to money management, occupation, family and community involvement, etc.
Not to want to labor the point, but unlike the other lessons you've listed history can be an incredibly political topic depending on what you choose to cover, what you choose to ignore and how you present it.
Hell, even language gets politicized. In German class we had to sit though two or three Nazi period films a year which at the time we thought was great because it was better than having to do book work, but if my kid was robbed of learning time in order to be indoctrinated like that these days I'd toss the teacher through a window.
The public will judge a man by what he lifts, but those close to him will judge him by what he carries.
A class on Moral Philosophy as in Heinlein's novel Starship Troopers Chapter Eight.
A link to the text: http://oceanofpdf.com/pdf-epub-starship-...-download/
A link to the text: http://oceanofpdf.com/pdf-epub-starship-...-download/
“There is no global anthem, no global currency, no certificate of global citizenship. We pledge allegiance to one flag, and that flag is the American flag!” -DJT
@Debeguiled and Zelc,
Indeed I did ask. I have a lot of reading to do.
Ha.
Indeed I did ask. I have a lot of reading to do.
Ha.
I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
Quote: (05-31-2018 05:49 PM)Pride male Wrote:
Do you think military service should be compulsory for all citizens like in Israel?
Yes. Military service for men, civil service for women.
Military service would be self-explanatory.
Civil service would consist of helping farmers and helping take care of old folk.
G
How do you go about cultivating a "thirst for knowledge" in kids? Like, how do you go about creating a son or daughter who is able to find a website like RVF? Many guys struggle with women, but few are able to filter through information and find quality websites like this one. Many just check out and shack up with the first girl who is nice to them.
I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
Quote: (06-01-2018 03:06 AM)Fortis Wrote:
How do you go about cultivating a "thirst for knowledge" in kids? Like, how do you go about creating a son or daughter who is able to find a website like RVF? Many guys struggle with women, but few are able to filter through information and find quality websites like this one. Many just check out and shack up with the first girl who is nice to them.
It seems that curiosity is linked to intelligence, so doing things that improve one's intelligence, from sleeping well, exercising and eating right, to reading, traveling, and doing mind games could theoretically help.
However, in the end, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. If they do show a natural inclination for curiosity though, encourage it. Answer their questions and then get out and explore the world, take them fishing or into the woods to find plants and animals, look at the stars, go to the library and check out books, etc. Point out things to them that you see that they might not know, things we as adults take for granted.
Quote: (05-31-2018 10:34 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Not to want to labor the point, but unlike the other lessons you've listed history can be an incredibly political topic depending on what you choose to cover, what you choose to ignore and how you present it.
That reminds me of a story I read recently that blew my mind, BBC 'historian' Dan Snow admitting he purposefully lies to his girls about wimmin flying Spitfires in WW2 in order to make them feel better about .... something-something-'gender';
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...story.html
'As a historian, you would expect him to be a stickler for the facts.
But the BBC’s Dan Snow admits he lies to his daughters about women’s roles in history so they feel free to ‘follow their dreams’.
The father of three, who has a history slot on the BBC’s One Show, said that he didn’t want to ‘expose’ his two daughters to the ‘grim realities of pre-20th century gender relations’.
The Oxford graduate, 39, admitted that during a visit to an aviation museum, he even told one that women flew Spitfires in combat during the Second World War.'
Whatever our RVF-themed school curriculum ends up like, I'd suggest we keep Dan Snow well away from it!
‘After you’ve got two eye-witness accounts, following an automobile accident, you begin
To worry about history’ – Tim Allen
Quote: (06-01-2018 03:43 AM)Richard Turpin Wrote:
Quote: (05-31-2018 10:34 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:
Not to want to labor the point, but unlike the other lessons you've listed history can be an incredibly political topic depending on what you choose to cover, what you choose to ignore and how you present it.
That reminds me of a story I read recently that blew my mind, BBC 'historian' Dan Snow admitting he purposefully lies to his girls about wimmin flying Spitfires in WW2 in order to make them feel better about .... something-something-'gender';
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...story.html
'As a historian, you would expect him to be a stickler for the facts.
But the BBC’s Dan Snow admits he lies to his daughters about women’s roles in history so they feel free to ‘follow their dreams’.
The father of three, who has a history slot on the BBC’s One Show, said that he didn’t want to ‘expose’ his two daughters to the ‘grim realities of pre-20th century gender relations’.
The Oxford graduate, 39, admitted that during a visit to an aviation museum, he even told one that women flew Spitfires in combat during the Second World War.'
Whatever our RVF-themed school curriculum ends up like, I'd suggest we keep Dan Snow well away from it!
And the Red PIll explanation should be:
+ You can be a pilot cupcake, but a war pilot is a special thing meaning:
- young women are too valuable in terms or reproduction to be risking their lives in combat planes
- women have less of a spatial intelligence and there will be countless men better than them
- women react on average worse under pressure, have different physical strength, combat pilots also sometimes have to eject and survive in hostile territory - it's not only about pulling levers
- women pass out much faster with the modern accelerations
Even if we took in fully meritocratic measures then literally no woman would pass it and I see no reason for it.
You can become a commercial pilot - women can do it. And even then you will find many more men outperforming women as it appeals more to the strengths men evolved to.
You can also become a private pilot and enjoy flying on your own, but a combat pilot is just a risk not worth taking with our special princesses - let the knights do it. They are better at it and it's not so bad for a country even if they give their lives in the line of duty.
That is how you explain the reality of why women are not pilots in war. In the past this was common sense, it was not sexism. But the BBC is filled with far-left suicidal ideologues, so no surprise.
I just realised why no one likes maths.
Maths is a means to an end, its not an artform, people don't do maths for fun, they use it to solve problems. I think it should be taught that way too, not as a standalone subject, because maths is NOT a standalone subject. I don't see any reason to learn advanced maths unless you're using that type of maths for something else.
It's not something people do for it's own sake, well ok 99.99% of people. However I haven't thought about maths for many years. Am I missing something here?
Anyway, this thread is about really interesting subject and the more I think about it, maybe the whole idea of school or a curriculum whether public or private isn't the best model for learning/teaching and raising children. Everyone seems to have different ideas. I think critical thinking, logic, learning to learn on your own and stuff like that are probably the most important things that should be taught to kids that could be part of a curriculum.
I also like what Kona said about teaching kids about their local culture so they feel connected with that and then a curriculum would vary depending on location.
Maths is a means to an end, its not an artform, people don't do maths for fun, they use it to solve problems. I think it should be taught that way too, not as a standalone subject, because maths is NOT a standalone subject. I don't see any reason to learn advanced maths unless you're using that type of maths for something else.
It's not something people do for it's own sake, well ok 99.99% of people. However I haven't thought about maths for many years. Am I missing something here?
Anyway, this thread is about really interesting subject and the more I think about it, maybe the whole idea of school or a curriculum whether public or private isn't the best model for learning/teaching and raising children. Everyone seems to have different ideas. I think critical thinking, logic, learning to learn on your own and stuff like that are probably the most important things that should be taught to kids that could be part of a curriculum.
I also like what Kona said about teaching kids about their local culture so they feel connected with that and then a curriculum would vary depending on location.
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Quote: (06-01-2018 03:06 AM)Fortis Wrote:
How do you go about cultivating a "thirst for knowledge" in kids? Like, how do you go about creating a son or daughter who is able to find a website like RVF? Many guys struggle with women, but few are able to filter through information and find quality websites like this one. Many just check out and shack up with the first girl who is nice to them.
This is actually not that hard. The secret is, don't kill the natural thirst for knowledge they are born with.
Be willing to answer the question "Why?' a lot.
Have a good relationship where they trust they can talk to you and you won't get mad or dismissive and will be straight with them even if that means saying you don't know or you don't think they are ready for it.
Also, take the hacker's approach to life yourself, always looking for solutions or workarounds to get where you want to go. Kids are little sponges, especially the boys, and they will soak up your attitudes, approaches, and even gestures.
Be willing to change your mind on something if you find out you are wrong.
My stepson had a natural curiosity and enthusiasm from a young age, and his mother and I tried to make sure he had all sorts of opportunities to experience things he was interested in, music, sports, camps, etc., and that was all good and everything, but one time his mother asked him what was his favorite thing to do in the world and he said, "I like it when me and debeguiled are driving to school in the morning, just talking and making up words and stuff."
Amazing, you never know what they are taking in and what is important to them. Now, you don't want a snowflake who feels entitled to an answer to every question, so you can't be totally at their disposal. I remember I got sick of watching tv shows with my kid because he kept interrupting the show to say, why did they do that? Why did they say that?
So I did my own problem solving, how to get him to shut up without hurting his feelings, and told him that very often, the writers of the show were creating that why in his head by how they wrote the show, so instead of asking why all the time, just sit with his question and watch the show, and if it wasn't answered by the show itself, he could ask me all his questions later.
He came up to me all excited a few days later saying, you were right! The show answers all my questions.
It's that simple, don't step on their natural curiosity, and ask something of them, make them put some skin in the game, so if they want to know something they will have to take part in puzzling it out.
My main failing as a step parent was in not asking enough of the kids, and if I did it again, I would expect them to use some of that problem solving ability to fix issues around the house, and stood firm when they whined.
My stepson is a much better reader than I am, pretty sure his IQ is much higher, and he reads sooo slowly, really taking in each sentence, paragraph, and not moving on until he understands and decides if he agrees.
If I didn't let him do it this way, I mean, I could have easily ruined his concentration and commitment by saying something offhand like, "You haven't finished that yet?"
It would have deflated his ego, made him feel small, and he would start rushing and skimming to seem smart by reading fast. He is much better off as he is, and sometimes he can recite full paragraphs from memory from the books that are important to him.
Another example is, he was having trouble sleeping, and his mom gave him a kind of new agey solution involving a dreamcatcher or something, and he came to me troubled, because he wanted to be loyal to his mom, but at the same time, he didn't think the new age thing was working.
The only reason he could come to me was because he knew I would take his issues seriously and I wouldn't throw his mom under the bus to feel smart.
So we set up an experiment where he would put the dream catcher near his bed every other night, and then keep track of which nights he had bad dreams and which nights he didn't and see if it correlated to dreamcatcher use.
I just came up with the idea, based on taking his concerns seriously, and he did all the work and made his own decisions.
This is not complicated, anyone can do it, just take kids seriously, care about them, but don't let them walk all over you either.
They love solving problems they care about, and if that becomes a habit young, it will never go away.
“The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of its parents.”
Carl Jung
Quote: (05-31-2018 01:29 PM)nola Wrote:
Quote: (05-31-2018 01:13 PM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:
Consider Alfin's "dangerous children" concept:
https://alfin2101.wordpress.com/
As I mentioned in a previous post on this thread my mother is a PhD in Early Childhood Development or Education I can't remember which. Her focus was K-12 curriculum. While I love her as a mother she is a leftist shill and was the Superintendent of a Public School System while she sent me to Private School. I frankly don't know how her and my father got and still get along as the polarization is Slim Jim level extreme.
I texted her your link and she responded, "he's a right wing nut that never had to run a public school system." No way she had time to read what he wrote based on her response.
I read the link and started sending some agreements she has now shut down completely.
Oh mom!
This is funny. Its a good thing she does not know me because I would probably say something snarky like "Tough. Reality is inherently right wing.".
Quote: (05-31-2018 09:42 PM)ChefAllDay Wrote:
Quote: (05-31-2018 05:49 PM)Pride male Wrote:
Do you think military service should be compulsory for all citizens like in Israel?
In a non-SJW society 100% yes, today... not really. The military mirrors society which means in Canada at least it's a lost cause. JFT2 and the army is still okay, but the purple and non-combat trades are fucked.
I think it would result in less SJW's to be honest. My only fear is basic training in most western military's has been watered down so much that it would result in even more watering down putting the psychologically weak into training.
Now everything is considered abuse. Just having the ability to scream at somebody is not enough to de-pussify them.
There is nothing more cringe worthy than listening to the new PC drill sergeants.
Philosophy, both Western and Eastern, should actually be taught, not just loosely surveyed as a throwaway World History lesson. Spend at least a full year on it.
There's no harm in teaching the kids Marx if they've gotten a solid grounding in Aristotle, Plato, Confucius, Aquinas, Kant, Hume, and Smith, too. They'll be much better equipped to call out bullshit if they're well-acquainted with its lineage.
There's no harm in teaching the kids Marx if they've gotten a solid grounding in Aristotle, Plato, Confucius, Aquinas, Kant, Hume, and Smith, too. They'll be much better equipped to call out bullshit if they're well-acquainted with its lineage.
Hidey-ho, RVFerinos!
Quote: (06-01-2018 03:06 AM)Fortis Wrote:
How do you go about cultivating a "thirst for knowledge" in kids? Like, how do you go about creating a son or daughter who is able to find a website like RVF? Many guys struggle with women, but few are able to filter through information and find quality websites like this one. Many just check out and shack up with the first girl who is nice to them.
Indulge their weird shit. It might be their future in ways you don't understand yet.
And realize they are different people than you. You might not like or even get what they're into. But unless it's destructive to them, support it.
One of the big problems of my early life is that I was banned from anything in which I had a natural aptitude and interest, since my folks found it "obsessive" or "weird." This included everything from electronics to music journalism (my eventual field) to graphic design and typesetting (the way I broke into journalism) to esoteric old literature and music. I had to sneak and learn this stuff on the sly, as if I were shooting up heroin.
We need to raise kids to be themselves -- not bland little government-worker-sanctioned wonks. Kids are like wheat -- with all sorts of quirky interesting individual characteristics. But in the food business, wheat ends up becoming...white bread. This is a metaphor for life itself.
Too many parents seek to turn kids into white bread: Bland, boring, and conformist. I ended up having a decent life, but it could have much better had I not been told I was "weird" for being myself from the time I was 12. My brother is doing this to his kids now and it galls me.
Dorothy Sayers wrote a great essay about how to educate:
https://classicalchristian.org/the-lost-...hy-sayers/
https://classicalchristian.org/the-lost-...hy-sayers/
I think "intellectually healthy" and "school curriculum" are in a way antithetical to one another. I'm not sure any institution should necessarily have the power to decide what exact lesson plan any individual mind needs in order to flourish. Every individual learns differently, at a different pace, with different interests and strengths/weaknesses.
kid 1: 120 IQ, introverted, loves math and science, is so-so at arts and language.
kid 2: 90 IQ, extraverted, not interested in most school subjects, amazing athlete, has good potential to work with his hands
kid 3: is female, should be encouraged to have children
kid 4: 115 IQ, all around proficient in school subjects but has trouble fitting in due to stressful home life, needs a lot of support and understanding to find his way
<and on and on...>
I guess any curriculum would need to have enough flexibility to allow kids to pursue their own strengths but also ensure that they learn basic life skills and employment skills. Definitely segregate by gender. A very complex problem, to be sure.
kid 1: 120 IQ, introverted, loves math and science, is so-so at arts and language.
kid 2: 90 IQ, extraverted, not interested in most school subjects, amazing athlete, has good potential to work with his hands
kid 3: is female, should be encouraged to have children
kid 4: 115 IQ, all around proficient in school subjects but has trouble fitting in due to stressful home life, needs a lot of support and understanding to find his way
<and on and on...>
I guess any curriculum would need to have enough flexibility to allow kids to pursue their own strengths but also ensure that they learn basic life skills and employment skills. Definitely segregate by gender. A very complex problem, to be sure.
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