[PapayaTapper]

(10-12-2017 03:58 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I think major wildfires are inevitable* no matter how much you "manage" forests. In fact, meticulously putting out thousands of small fires before they can burn out naturally probably increases the fuel load available for the next one - and it's a pipe dream to go around the area the size of California removing underbrush and dead trees. Sooner or later, you will have to deal with that once-in-a-decade fire.

That said, fuck whomever decided that firebreaks and firefighting planes weren't necessary.

* = ignore the fact that it's #veryfakenews BBC, it's still a fantastic article

Wild fire is a natural part of the ecosystems where they occur. Without them there would be no grasslands. They're only a "disaster" when like every other natural process )fllods, hurricanes, earthquakes, tornado, etc) humans build and live in the affected area without taking adequate measures

That said: Just flew in to LAX a few hours ago. The tremendous amount of smoke in the air made for an eerie haze as we approached airport. Made for a beautiful sunset though

[Leonard D Neubache]

(10-12-2017 03:58 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I think major wildfires are inevitable* no matter how much you "manage" forests. In fact, meticulously putting out thousands of small fires before they can burn out naturally probably increases the fuel load available for the next one - and it's a pipe dream to go around the area the size of California removing underbrush and dead trees. Sooner or later, you will have to deal with that once-in-a-decade fire.

That said, fuck whomever decided that firebreaks and firefighting planes weren't necessary.

* = ignore the fact that it's #veryfakenews BBC, it's still a fantastic article

We have similar problems over here in Australia.

Faggot environmentalists and tree-change Boomers retiring in the countryside throw fits when the country fire departments want to back-burn last years undergrowth, which is precisely what would happen naturally anyway (although nature would do it at a time of it's own choice).

What's more, they fight logging tooth and nail yet the forestry workers are the ones building and maintaining the roads through the forests that allow the fires to be put out or at least managed.

Our bush carries the seed bank of the next generation of plants in the soil. A fire comes through and clears out the undergrowth. The seed bank shoots up. Animals can suddenly move about freely. New life follows the destruction.

The idiot "environmentalists" put the brakes on this cycle for so long that the amount of fuel grows too high and when a fire comes through it burns hot enough to destroy the seed banks and even the rootstock that holds the soil banks in place. If you get rain after the fire then the scorched topsoil will literally wash away into the river systems, killing both the land and the rivers at the same time. After that nothing much grows back but weeds for a very long time.

This is advice that these eco-faggots will not even take from the Aboriginals they exalt as the spiritual children of the land.

[MOVSM]

There are NO signs of sanity in CA.

Even when the sights are this apocalyptic, Gov Moonbat is defiant. No brush clearing, no removal of fuels, it's all the fault of climate change, and probably Trump. This is the new normal.
I am kinda gleeful, that this time the Hollywood power moguls living in Bel Air were affected as well. I not even remotely hopeful that they will learn, however.

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California governor blames devastating wildfires on climate change and says deadly winter infernos will be 'the new normal'

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[Raylan Givens]

I understand how moonbatty California is, but that is my home even if I don't live there currently. I hate to see it burning that way.

[MOVSM]

I think I mentioned it above, I am also from CA. I still have family there, whom I will visit in a few weeks.

The criticism I levy is wholly on insane leftist policies that are implemented by Dems. My glee is that the leftist power brokers and Dem financiers were personally affected by these insane policies they implemented. At least this time it weren't just the little people.
However, unlike the little people, they have fuck you money that offsets the risk of fire. They will just rebuild on the same fundament and forget it happened. That's why I have no hope of them learning from their mistakes.

I keep harping on this--these fires need not happen. If CA distanced themselves from the leftist ideology, and enacted policy on common sense, these disasters would go away.

[911]

California has got to invest in a fleet of CL415 water bombers. If Greece or Morocco can, you have to wonder why CA can't...

[Super_Fire]

Literally Sodom and Gomorrah.

[OneManWolfPack]

Watching the news as they interview a couple who had their house burn down. The couple states that they could not afford house insurance and did not think that this would happen to them. After all, the last fire in that area was 50 years ago...

A friendly reminded, if you buy a house, you cannot afford to NOT have house insurance!

[911]

California has a smorgaeboard of natural hazards, everything but hurricanes: fire, earthquake, mudslides, floods in some areas.

[Veloce]

(12-10-2017 11:21 PM)911 Wrote:  

California has a smorgaeboard of natural hazards, everything but hurricanes: fire, earthquake, mudslides, floods in some areas.

This was my first thought. My hometown is burnt to a crisp. Frankly, I don't really care. I don't have any family there, all of my friends have evacuated and none of their homes are at risk.

But if this is another wet season for California like last year then the mudslides will be horrendous, just a complete shitshow.

My only sadness in all of this is there's a really special place I like to escape to and always take girls, a beautiful vista up in the mountains, and it will take years to return to its glory. I'm sure it and everything around it are charred black right now. It's fine, this has happened before, but it puts a damper on things.

[Gambler]

Are any airtankers used to fight California wildfires?

[kaotic]

(12-11-2017 06:15 PM)Gambler Wrote:  

Are any airtankers used to fight California wildfires?

Yes they've seen plenty of action, in the North & the South.

[911]

There's not many to go around though. IIRC, they've only got 4 CL-415s on hand right now, leased from Canada for the (Canadian) late Fall offseason. They could use 10 or 20 right now.

[fiasco360]

I live in Los Angeles and with the exception of certain areas there aren't apparent signs of crazy fires happening.

[kaotic]

(12-12-2017 05:47 AM)fiasco360 Wrote:  

I live in Los Angeles and with the exception of certain areas there aren't apparent signs of crazy fires happening.

People who don't live in California think the entire state is burning.

Below is a map of all the fires currently active - all are based in SoCal.

The biggest being the one on the left - the Thomas fire - which is now California's 4th or 5th worst fire.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I like the idea of a lightning complex. Is that a huge building where you get to stand in an insulated dome while artificial lightning strikes down around you?

That would be pretty awesome.

[Number one bummer]

Leonard has some explaining to do!

[Laner]

(10-12-2017 06:10 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(10-12-2017 03:58 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I think major wildfires are inevitable* no matter how much you "manage" forests. In fact, meticulously putting out thousands of small fires before they can burn out naturally probably increases the fuel load available for the next one - and it's a pipe dream to go around the area the size of California removing underbrush and dead trees. Sooner or later, you will have to deal with that once-in-a-decade fire.

That said, fuck whomever decided that firebreaks and firefighting planes weren't necessary.

* = ignore the fact that it's #veryfakenews BBC, it's still a fantastic article

We have similar problems over here in Australia.

Faggot environmentalists and tree-change Boomers retiring in the countryside throw fits when the country fire departments want to back-burn last years undergrowth, which is precisely what would happen naturally anyway (although nature would do it at a time of it's own choice).

What's more, they fight logging tooth and nail yet the forestry workers are the ones building and maintaining the roads through the forests that allow the fires to be put out or at least managed.

Our bush carries the seed bank of the next generation of plants in the soil. A fire comes through and clears out the undergrowth. The seed bank shoots up. Animals can suddenly move about freely. New life follows the destruction.

The idiot "environmentalists" put the brakes on this cycle for so long that the amount of fuel grows too high and when a fire comes through it burns hot enough to destroy the seed banks and even the rootstock that holds the soil banks in place. If you get rain after the fire then the scorched topsoil will literally wash away into the river systems, killing both the land and the rivers at the same time. After that nothing much grows back but weeds for a very long time.

This is advice that these eco-faggots will not even take from the Aboriginals they exalt as the spiritual children of the land.

This is the same issues here in western Canada.

The next big ones will be in the National Parks. I did see one this summer in Yoho, but it was burning high up on the mountain and would be running into the alpine in no time.

But down low it was brutal. The deadfall was stacked so high that we could barely move through the bush. Being Parks Canada, they don't even want you off trail, even though these parks are the size of European countries. Even the animals are sick of trying to move through the deadfall so they use the highways. Back when humans were allowed to gather firewood and burn it, when a fire did move through every 10 to 20 years it swept instead of creating infernos feeding off layers of fuel.

A few years ago in Lillooet there was a big fire that threatened the town. The forest comes right to the edge of town, like most places in Canada. But people cannot go to the close by forest and haul in some deadfall for personal use. They will get arrested. But on the other side of town is an Indian reservation where they can keep the land free of this. They hack it up and burn it and even keep the forest thinned a bit.

The reserve lands barely saw any trouble, and now are brilliant with new grasses, saplings and wildflowers.

These tree hugger politicians are getting caught having no logical or scientific purpose for their conservation efforts.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(12-12-2017 08:37 PM)Number one bummer Wrote:  



Leonard has some explaining to do!

[MOVSM]

https://strategypage.com/military_photos...24128.aspx

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A California Air National Guard C-130J Hercules drops fire retardant over the hills above Santa Barbara, Calif., Dec. 13, 2017, while helping fight the Thomas Fire. The aircraft is assigned to the 146th Airlift Wing. Air National Guard photo by Staff Sgt. Nieko Carzis