[Delta]

The smoking thing is a bigger deal than the tattoos in my opinion (and I am repulsed by tattoos). Given how well-informed our generation is on the dangers of smoking, no millennial with half-decent judgment could possibly be a smoker. Plus it's absolutely disgusting, almost as bad as being fat.

All things considered, this girl does not sound remotely like "mother of your children" material. I'd rip off the band-aid ASAP and look for someone who is.

EDIT: Plus it's fucking expensive. If you think an engagement ring is pricey, wait until you calculate the lifetime cost of being a smoker. And who would ultimately support that habit? You.

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

Alright so I'm going to throw out the elephant in the room and face the ridicule now rather than later lol. We are legally married, not with a church yet but we are planning a church wedding. She doesn't really know anything legally, at least in American marriage law, so if we end up separating I'm not at risk to be screwed. I don't really own anything asset-wise, just inheritance in several foreign countries that won't be mine until I am much older which I will never bring to the US for the cucked courts to seize from me. As far as US standards go, I'm just an average bloke. We got legally married while I was flying for the military, as most guys in my field of work did, didn't have the time to plan a full wedding out. Things took a turn for the worse when I later got injured and soon I became disillusioned with my job and everything and fell into a bad depression which I'm still not out of. I will not be with the service for much longer due to my injuries, but I will still be eventually able to become alpha and get in back in great shape and be outgoing, just taking a long time. About the girl, well my immaturity has led me to this situation and I am looking for remedies now. I don't know if I'm delusional, but I find it harder and harder to believe that there are a lot of younger non-smokers non-tattooed women out there. Call it denial, but I just don't see it. Everywhere I look I see women that are either fat, repulsive, aged horribly for being young, single mothers (shivers), extremely mutilated (lots of tats and piercings), or some combination thereof.

She is very homely, so yes the cigarettes, the spoiled, and the tattoos are huge red flags. Although the cigarettes she picked up young in her teens like everyone in her country does. It's a European thing, I know from traveling to Europe, there is a certain stupidity in many of the people that they don't do certain common healthy things, one of them is smoking. I'm having some medical tests run on her now that are probably going to show the damage from the smoking, but she is at the age where if she stops the damage can and will reverse itself. She doesn't want to hear doctors or me tell her to stop smoking, its getting to be just stupid at this point.

Anyhow, this is turning from a tattoo thread to a how do I get out of this tar pit thread, I may have to make another thread soon...

[Delta]

(08-15-2017 10:45 PM)IstillLoveVistaBaby Wrote:  

I don't know if I'm delusional, but I find it harder and harder to believe that there are a lot of younger non-smokers non-tattooed women out there.

Nonsense. 13.6% of American women are smokers, lower among younger women as the rate has been steadily dropping over time. Probably ~90% of your potential targets do not smoke.

47% of millennials have at least one tattoo; that means 53% have none.

I could see if you said it's hard to find a thin/fit girl, but there is absolutely no shortage of non-tatted non-smokers out there.

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She doesn't want to hear doctors or me tell her to stop smoking, its getting to be just stupid at this point.

So she has no desire to improve herself, despite having an obvious, incredibly detrimental, but highly reversible flaw. Could this flag be a deeper shade of red?

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Anyhow, this is turning from a tattoo thread to a how do I get out of this tar pit thread, I may have to make another thread soon...

If you do take the advice here and get out of this tar pit, you'll thank us later.

[dies irae]

You should have told upfront that this woman is your wife.

Papaya Tapper's advice still stands though:

1 DO
2 NOT
3 GET
4 THIS
5 WOMAN
6 PREGNANT

That's unless you throw out another elephant in the room and say that you already have kids from her.

[Darkwing Buck]

I smoke. Come at me brahs!

G Manifesto would have a word or two to say about that.

[IstillLoveVistaBaby]

No, no kids yet. I still drink and smoke occasionally, only cigars though, and not as often as I would like to given the amount of stress I deal with on a daily basis.

@ Delta they have almost like an inseparable attachment to their cigarettes, don't know why. It's not just her.

The girl is beautiful, has a sweet personality, and very thin and fit, and is usually pretty chill, just some bad apples in her orchard, which is why I am trying to salvage what I can here. I'm weighing my odds against finding another one like her, minus the flaws, and thats what seems pretty slim to me. I know I'm probably wrong, but damn, I'm stuck in the city where I live until I separate from the military so I won't know otherwise until afterwards.

She wants to do modeling for clothing lines, but I told her that most companies won't accept models with tattoos, I used to do some modeling about a decade ago in my teens and I know that they hated tattoos on younger people. There is at least some veracity to this isn't there? The general public still sort of disagrees with having tattoos as some kind of positive image, so makes sense.

[PapayaTapper]

(08-15-2017 11:20 PM)Darkwing Buck Wrote:  

I smoke. Come at me brahs!

G Manifesto would have a word or two to say about that.

Well that just rules you out as the mother of baby papayas then

Doesnt mean I think less of you though

[Cruisen_Chubby]

It seems like we were getting somewhere and then OP drops the marriage bomb and multiple other red flags... This may be a bigger issue than a tattoo:

[PapayaTapper]

(08-15-2017 11:40 PM)IstillLoveVistaBaby Wrote:  

No, no kids yet. I still drink and smoke occasionally, only cigars though, and not as often as I would like to given the amount of stress I deal with on a daily basis.

@ Delta they have almost like an inseparable attachment to their cigarettes, don't know why. It's not just her.

The girl is beautiful, has a sweet personality, and very thin and fit, and is usually pretty chill, just some bad apples in her orchard, which is why I am trying to salvage what I can here. I'm weighing my odds against finding another one like her, minus the flaws, and thats what seems pretty slim to me. I know I'm probably wrong, but damn, I'm stuck in the city where I live until I separate from the military so I won't know otherwise until afterwards.

She wants to do modeling for clothing lines, but I told her that most companies won't accept models with tattoos, I used to do some modeling about a decade ago in my teens and I know that they hated tattoos on younger people. There is at least some veracity to this isn't there? The general public still sort of disagrees with having tattoos as some kind of positive image, so makes sense.

Ahhh...I see OK more clearly. (You should have told us that this "girl" is actually your wife...but "positivity' and shit so ok)

Youre military then let me but this in terms you might understand

Youre looking for a tactical answer to a strategic question

She needs to see herself as "above" all that negativity (tats, smoking, crime, drug use) associated with lower socio economic existence. Thats not going to happen unless she believes she can rise above it and she wont unless shes convinced that youre going to lead the way

If you only see tatted up smoking young girls in your neighborhood then you need to move "up" out the hood and get better neighbors.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-15-2017 10:45 PM)IstillLoveVistaBaby Wrote:  

Alright so I'm going to throw out the elephant in the room and face the ridicule now rather than later lol. We are legally married, not with a church yet but we are planning a church wedding. She doesn't really know anything legally, at least in American marriage law, so if we end up separating I'm not at risk to be screwed. I don't really own anything asset-wise, just inheritance in several foreign countries that won't be mine until I am much older which I will never bring to the US for the cucked courts to seize from me. As far as US standards go, I'm just an average bloke. We got legally married while I was flying for the military, as most guys in my field of work did, didn't have the time to plan a full wedding out. Things took a turn for the worse when I later got injured and soon I became disillusioned with my job and everything and fell into a bad depression which I'm still not out of. I will not be with the service for much longer due to my injuries, but I will still be eventually able to become alpha and get in back in great shape and be outgoing, just taking a long time. About the girl, well my immaturity has led me to this situation and I am looking for remedies now. I don't know if I'm delusional, but I find it harder and harder to believe that there are a lot of younger non-smokers non-tattooed women out there. Call it denial, but I just don't see it. Everywhere I look I see women that are either fat, repulsive, aged horribly for being young, single mothers (shivers), extremely mutilated (lots of tats and piercings), or some combination thereof.

She is very homely, so yes the cigarettes, the spoiled, and the tattoos are huge red flags. Although the cigarettes she picked up young in her teens like everyone in her country does. It's a European thing, I know from traveling to Europe, there is a certain stupidity in many of the people that they don't do certain common healthy things, one of them is smoking. I'm having some medical tests run on her now that are probably going to show the damage from the smoking, but she is at the age where if she stops the damage can and will reverse itself. She doesn't want to hear doctors or me tell her to stop smoking, its getting to be just stupid at this point.

Anyhow, this is turning from a tattoo thread to a how do I get out of this tar pit thread, I may have to make another thread soon...

It makes a big difference that you are married. A married man instantly gives a good portion of his hand to the woman - and the woman takes. The only exception is if you know this and are fully Red Pill and Game aware.

Your post shows that you are not - not aware and conscious of everything out there. I recommend you delve into the basics and read Rollo Tomassi - The Rational Male - you can order all the books, audio-books for easy listening.

Regardless whether she is aware of all her rights in the US now, she has instantly a different ability.

Tell her that she can have a tattoo on her ass, so long as it is cute and feminine and you can look at it while you fuck her from behind.

Modeling and tats don't mix except for some 1 in 100.000 exceptions. Her chances to book things go down 99% with every tattoo - even a minor one.

It's also useless to debate about dropping her or threatening divorce because of a tattoo, because you wived her up. Young married man Game with a young wife who moved into a country where her value is instantly much higher - USA - that is a tall hurdle to take.

You need to learn fast - start by The Rational Male and go on from there also taking in Game lessons, countering shit-tests etc.

[remarkable vigour]

(08-15-2017 01:59 PM)miggyme1 Wrote:  

alpha thing to do would tell her she can get it but in a spot where it isnt visible out of respect for you. Telling a woman she cant do something to her body at all because it upsets you is beta.

No, this is wrong.

If you are fucking a woman then her body belongs to you (you should be getting her to say this when you bang her).

She either submits to you or NEXT.

If you don't like tats she doesn't get any, if you like tats she gets some tats.

Personally, I think they are fucking ugly.

[John Michael Kane]

She won't be my woman for long. Graffiti on my woman's body is grounds for termination of the relationship. Not kidding in the least. Tats are so skanky.

[Vladimir Poontang]

You've been with her for almost 2 years. If you divorce her, will it really be such a big deal? 2 years isn't a huge amount of time in the grand scheme of things, and in a few years it will all just be a distant memory. You've got decades to live. Imagine being 40 and being with a 20 - 25 year old. You could have that.

If you just met her and you knew what she was like, would you stick around?

[Snowbunny Sorcerer]

What a silly thread, her body her choice, you guys just need to let go of YOUR insecurities.

I know I'm in the minority here, but tattoos on a women below the neck is NEVER dealbreaker for me.

[John Michael Kane]

Tats are positively correlated with increased thrill seeking, sluttiness and cheating. They've done multiple studies on this. A woman getting tats never improves a long-term relationship

[Jetset]

(08-16-2017 08:34 AM)Snowbunny Sorcerer Wrote:  

What a silly thread, her body her choice, you guys just need to let go of YOUR insecurities.

I know I'm in the minority here, but tattoos on a women below the neck is NEVER dealbreaker for me.

I wouldn't react this strongly, personally, but ultimately?

His dick, his choice. Please manage your soy intake.

[Theodosius]

Tattoos are disgusting. I believe only perverts / the insane like them on women.

In response to the OP: I believe you should associate tattoos with losers (shouldn't be too hard). Point out how many attractive women don't have tattoos but how many alternatives (womanese: losers) have them. I think that would be the best psychologically.

[Suits]

(08-15-2017 10:45 PM)IstillLoveVistaBaby Wrote:  

She is very homely, so yes the cigarettes, the spoiled, and the tattoos are huge red flags.

(08-16-2017 08:34 AM)Snowbunny Sorcerer Wrote:  

What a silly thread, her body her choice, you guys just need to let go of YOUR insecurities.

Fuck off.

[Remington]

(08-16-2017 08:34 AM)Snowbunny Sorcerer Wrote:  

What a silly thread, her body her choice, you guys just need to let go of YOUR insecurities.

I know I'm in the minority here, but tattoos on a women below the neck is NEVER dealbreaker for me.

Men all have their preferences. But, most men on this forum prefer the traditional, feminine woman. Not the tattooed, heavily pierced bull dyke with green hair.

[Vladimir Poontang]

(08-16-2017 08:34 AM)Snowbunny Sorcerer Wrote:  

What a silly thread, her body her choice, you guys just need to let go of YOUR insecurities.

I know I'm in the minority here, but tattoos on a women below the neck is NEVER dealbreaker for me.

6. No girls, homosexuals, or transsexuals. Their opinions or comments are not welcome here.

[PapayaTapper]

(08-16-2017 08:34 AM)Snowbunny Sorcerer Wrote:  

What a silly thread, her body her choice, you guys just need to let go of [b]YOUR insecurities.[/b]

I know I'm in the minority here, but tattoos on a women below the neck is NEVER dealbreaker for me.

Do you suck your wife's boyfriend's dick too or just watch?

[LastKing]

"Get a tattoo and you're gone"

How hard was that? Grow some balls and stand up for yourself

[Vill@in]

Personally I like tattoo's on a woman, but it's just because I like sluts. More tattoos = more likely I get to bang her in the ass.

I'm not interested in finding a wife or a LTR, but if I were I would have a different opinion.

Nothing says "Cum on my face and slap me silly" like a woman with a neck tattoo. Seriously, how could I possibly respect a woman who desecrates her body like that? That shit is permanent unless she wants to waste even more money lasering off her 'youthful mistake'.

A woman who smokes however is always a deal breaker for me. A woman who smokes post-25 has engaged warp speed into the Wall. That shit ages them almost overnight. Yellow teeth, very pronounced crows feet, leather skin, bad breath, stinks, etc. No fucking thanks.

[DimeBait]

(08-16-2017 11:18 AM)Vill@in Wrote:  

Nothing says "Cum on my face and slap me silly" like a woman with a neck tattoo. Seriously, how could I possibly respect a woman who desecrates her body like that?

Repped

[Splord]

I once was in the same situation as you (no marriage though), she told me she wanted a tattoo on her underbelly.

I told her that only two people have the right to mark a woman's body, the doctor and the husband.

Just that.

It was obvious from the words and the tone that I didn't like the idea and, while we were together at least, she didn't go through with it.
She mentioned the tattoo a couple of times more (as some kind of shit-test probably) and, since I had decided that I wouldn't LTR her, I told her "OK, as long as it says PROPERTY of: SPLORD".

I did have the luxury of not caring because, unlike your situation, things weren't serious.
Tread carefully because although a modelling career may be a deterrent for tattoos it is also a red flag for marriage. Do as Zelcorpion above said, as fast as you can.

PS: I read in one of your posts that she may find out again(?) that you are posting about her in the forum or that someone might tell her. I admit I didn't read too carefully but either you let her see what you do in the internet or a (hopefully male) friend/forum member is a snitch. Be very careful, I think that of all the flags this is the deepest red.