[weambulance]

Yep, it's the white peoples' fault again in Konaland. I'm shocked.

Because clearly, the liberal faggots at Yale speak for all of white America.

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When someone makes the "get over slavery" comment, they are now blaming black people for their own guilt over slavery. Or, they are some white supremecists/racist that just wants to stupidly spew hatred every chance they get.

I guess I'm the second, right Kona? Why don't you just say it outright, make sure everyone knows what you think.

[weambulance]

(02-11-2017 05:04 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

Blah blah blah. This is just cost-effective pandering. Why build a whole new building to actually honor whoever this woman was, when you can just change the name on the plaque?

Heck, even ISIS is doing it, destroying all the old Babylonian architecture and statues and shit.

Maybe we can get a petition to get Yale to change their name as well, since they are named after a slave owner, not for SJW appeasement, but to spite the Yale admin.

I'm not sure if Elihu Yale was a slave holder per se, but what he was for sure was a slave trader.

So I'll believe Yale is acting purely out of principles when they flush their whole brand. How hard could it be to come up with a proper recently dead SJW to name the school after?

[Foolsgo1d]

If we're going down the history route blame game.

Lets blame the living Mongols for what Ghengis did shall we? The British Empire, lets blame it on English whites, after all we're all budding slavers. Or perhaps we shall blame the crusades on todays ME policy.

Sounds about right.

If my great grandfather murdered someone and I was blamed for it I'd give you the finger and laugh in your face. This is the same thing. You cannot change the past but ramming this shit through people is sure as hell not going to do any good. You will get a reaction you're not expecting.

[Kona]

(02-11-2017 05:22 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

Yep, it's the white peoples' fault again in Konaland. I'm shocked.

Because clearly, the liberal faggots at Yale speak for all of white America.

Yale is 72% white. 10% black. 21% Asian. 10% Hispanic. Some % others. And then the Hawaiian guy I know. Students that are mixed get reported in multiple categories.

It looks to me like the majority is white. These aren't the "liberal faggots" you brush of with your little excuse. These are the children of the richest and most powerful people in the world.

The black kids at Yale care about these things, in this order: 1) Paying for Yale. 2) Graduating.

The Asians are playing video games and doing homework, and the Hawaiian guy is swimming in smart white pussy.

That leaves the white people. Them being liberal faggots doesn't mean they aren't white. So in this case it appears this is a white people created issue in Yaleland as well as Kona land.

But again in Ambulancewhateverthefuckland no matter what, white people are right.

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I guess I'm the second, right Kona? Why don't you just say it outright, make sure everyone knows what you think.

I think you are a mixture of the two. But I don't know you, and never will.

You seem to always type things up that lead me to believe that you think racism doesn't exist, and when it does its only aimed at white people, and its minorities fault.

It also seems that no matter what, the white side of things is always right to you.

Here is a perfect example of white people doing something over their own guilt about slavery, but you blame minorities. Its Yale for Christ sake, there's nothing whiter than Yale.

I get that you want us to be proud of your whiteness. That doesn't mean that you should blame every stupid thing white people do, and every problem they have, on minorities.

Aloha!

[AlphaRN]

``When someone makes the "get over slavery" comment, they are now blaming black people for their own guilt over slavery. Or, they are some white supremecists/racist that just wants to stupidly spew hatred every chance they get.''

Interesting. However, do you realize the ancestors of the majority of white Americans came here after the Civil War? So why would a majority of white Americans be guilty over something they had no hand in?

Also, without making an excuse, can you name another nation on Earth (not white) in which ethic minorities have it as easy as the majority? You act as though this is a strictly American phenomenon. I would say the average black american has it far easier in American then the average Mayan decedent has it in Mexico.

[MMX2010]

I agree with you AlphaRN, which is why I like to say America's greatness is reparation for slavery. And if anyone disagrees, they can move back to their non-American country of origin.

[spokepoker]

They should rename Yale after the guy the Ferguson riots were about.

[Kona]

(02-11-2017 06:00 PM)AlphaRN Wrote:  

``When someone makes the "get over slavery" comment, they are now blaming black people for their own guilt over slavery. Or, they are some white supremecists/racist that just wants to stupidly spew hatred every chance they get.''

Interesting. However, do you realize the ancestors of the majority of white Americans came here after the Civil War? So why would a majority of white Americans be guilty over something they had no hand in?

Ask some white people. I don't know.

The 10% of black kids at Yale have no where near the power of the 72% of white kids. What other reason would there be for changing the name?

(02-11-2017 06:00 PM)AlphaRN Wrote:  

Also, without making an excuse, can you name another nation on Earth (not white) in which ethic minorities have it as easy as the majority? You act as though this is a strictly American phenomenon. I would say the average black american has it far easier in American then the average Mayan decedent has it in Mexico.

I act as though it is a strictly American issue because we are talking about Yale and America. America does have that whole "All men are created equal" thing which I guess has different meanings to different people.

Is this the "go back to your country" argument coming on? Its already thrown around in this thread. Black people and a lot of other minorities are in their country now, and are staying, so certain people need to get over it.

There is no reason to name other countries, are whatever, because we have America just as much asnevryone else.

The idea that minorities have it a lot worse in other countries, so stop bitching about it being bad in America is another argument that I just consider stupid.

Aloha!

[stugatz]

(02-11-2017 02:06 PM)Lucky Wrote:  

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Calhoun College will be renamed in honor of Grace Murray Hopper GRD ’34, a United States Navy Rear Admiral who made pivotal advances in computer science, University President Peter Salovey announced Saturday.

[...]

Salovey announced the decision in an email to the campus community a day after the Yale Corporation voted to approve the recommendation of a task force charged with applying broad renaming principles to the Calhoun debate.

“The decision to change a college’s name is not one we take lightly,” Salovey wrote. “But John C. Calhoun’s legacy as a white supremacist and a national leader who passionately supported slavery as a ‘positive good’ fundamentally conflicts with Yale’s mission and values.”

More revisionist history. Another domino falls.

Many buildings of elite universities are named after white males.

The namesake of Yale itself, Elihu Yale, was a slavetrader.

What's next?

John C. Calhoun was a total asshole, and a complete nut. (Andrew Jackson hated the man after South Carolina's first secession fiasco, and with good reason.) The South was winning almost every battle in the courts on slavery, and most Northerners didn't care that much about it - why did he have to push for it to be acceptable in ALL thirty-something states?

(After reading this article, though, I've changed my mind. Name more buildings after him if it triggers the snowflakes...)

[weambulance]

Kona Wrote:

...

First, you apparently don't understand why white guilt is a thing at all. It's not because white people spontaneously feel guilty over things they never personally did. It's because marxist educators have pushed Critical Theory and Political Correctness in schools for about a hundred years.

And if you think there aren't loads of minorities blaming white people for stuff, you simply aren't paying attention. People call for reparations every goddamn year and I assure you, those people are not all white.

If you want to learn more about why whites are so often attacked in popular culture and education--and you would have to be enormously ignorant or an outright liar to claim they aren't--learn about the Frankfurt School. If you don't, you simply cannot discuss the matter because you lack the requisite knowledge.

Second, I don't really care what you think about my "racism" and "white supremacy" because I know I am not racist, nor am I a white supremacist. I am very introspective, so I know my mind, and I don't really care if you think I am racist or a budding Nazi. Inconveniently for some, those words do not bother me.

I know what I am. I know what I mean when I write. If you or others read something other than what my words actually say, that's your issue. I rarely bother with subtlety in this matter.

[weambulance]

(02-11-2017 06:08 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

They should rename Yale after the guy the Ferguson riots were about.

They can't, Brown University is already taken.

[Buck Wild]

It's worth pointing out that Calhoun was a complete fucking asshole and that his views on race & slavery were considered extremist even at the time.

Yes, it sucks to give in to the special snowflakes on anything at all for fear of emboldening them...but they may have something of a point on this one.

[armenia4ever]

(02-11-2017 06:12 PM)Kona Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 06:00 PM)AlphaRN Wrote:  

``When someone makes the "get over slavery" comment, they are now blaming black people for their own guilt over slavery. Or, they are some white supremecists/racist that just wants to stupidly spew hatred every chance they get.''

Interesting. However, do you realize the ancestors of the majority of white Americans came here after the Civil War? So why would a majority of white Americans be guilty over something they had no hand in?

Ask some white people. I don't know.

The 10% of black kids at Yale have no where near the power of the 72% of white kids. What other reason would there be for changing the name?

(02-11-2017 06:00 PM)AlphaRN Wrote:  

Also, without making an excuse, can you name another nation on Earth (not white) in which ethic minorities have it as easy as the majority? You act as though this is a strictly American phenomenon. I would say the average black american has it far easier in American then the average Mayan decedent has it in Mexico.

I act as though it is a strictly American issue because we are talking about Yale and America. America does have that whole "All men are created equal" thing which I guess has different meanings to different people.

Is this the "go back to your country" argument coming on? Its already thrown around in this thread. Black people and a lot of other minorities are in their country now, and are staying, so certain people need to get over it.

There is no reason to name other countries, are whatever, because we have America just as much asnevryone else.

The idea that minorities have it a lot worse in other countries, so stop bitching about it being bad in America is another argument that I just consider stupid.

Aloha!

Is it still stupid if it's true?



It's not just that minorities have it worse - far worse in other countries - but that they demand some kind of special entitlement upon entrance and residence for let's say 50 years. Gratitude is lost on the current culture.

Now perhaps there is reason for this - justification is another argument - if you consider the Irish, Italians, Chinese, Japanese, numerous different ethnic Arabs and Africans, etc and what they did to ensure their were best adapted to their situations in the "new country.

(In the Arab situation we made the mistake of requesting to be considered white on the demographic methods in seeking better treatment, but that's now reversed considering the current racial and cultural climate. No want wants to be white, but give it time and it wont just be "white Hispanics" but white Asians and white Africans who wil be thrown in the "white category.")

Instead of mafias persay, we now have advocacy groups. Obviously none of the people who came here in the last 100 years plan on going home. Generations later, you become entrenched. The tensions caused by "diversity" however do NOT GO AWAY. Each group will continue to play them up to benefit themselves to the max and it's what's causing the racism and guilt.

Now minorities in other damn well have it far worse. Try being a gypsy in Europe - Rumania and Bulgaria specifically. Try being a croat in Serbia.

How about Japan? Even half Japanese - "haifus" as they are called are treated like dirt. Imagine how Koreans, Indonesians or any pacific Islander would be treated. "White pig go home," doesn't just apply to the whites.

This is I think is Weambulance's point to some extent. Here, we are actually so scared of "racism" and any past wrong doings that we bend over for the white guilt exploitation brothels.

You can bet your ass the Japanese sure aren't when chinamen come around because they feel bad about the rape of Nanking. How about the Mongols?

They don't show any special treatment or apologies toward Iraqis or any Persians, despite plundering Baghdad and setting back the Islamic world for hundreds of years. They aren't rolling out the carpets for anyone who descends from Herat or the area despite killing over 1.6 million people just in that city.

An understanding of how vicious history is leads me to a kind of reactionary anger.

I'm personally tired of people trying to guilt my white half into some sort of sack cloth and ash ass kissing. My Armenian half has plenty of cards to play. I'm out of any guilt for my white half to feel.

Get the fuck over slavery people, because my ancestors have suffered the same, if not more. . If you bring it up, I'm likely to ignore your arguments and the people who bring it up as a beating tool.

Now in Kona's case, I see his point as well. The white guilt incels will never be over slavery. They need something to feel bad about.

Consider these types. They feel so privileged - and they damn well are in that they are going to Yale. They need to alleviate that guilt somehow in order to feel better about themselves because they have no real identity in life, no any purpose. Nothing to make them feel worthwhile.

At least sincere displays of repentance for privilege and their whiteness make them feel better and gives the African American studies departments some bones.

[AlphaRN]

``The idea that minorities have it a lot worse in other countries, so stop bitching about it being bad in America is another argument that I just consider stupid.''

I never said to stop bitching about it. I said it isn't any different, anywhere. If you want to stand on some moral high ground that blacks have it harder to get into an elite college, stand on the fact that the U.S. isn't cleansing its minorities. They aren't throwing them off land they owned for centuries (or off roof tops) and they aren't suicide bombing them.

All majorities, everywhere, have it easier. It is just a fact of the human condition. It doesn't make me racist that I feel no guilt over something I have no control over. I consider that to be stupid.

I am not saying minorities don't face challenges, and I am not saying there isn't still work to do. What I am saying is that compared to the vast majority of the modern world, the U.S. is a haven for minorities. You can both admits to faults, while also commending for advances. I never said, you don't like it, then leave. Ethnic divide has existed since the dawn of time, but no where and in no time has it been better than it is now in the U.S. for those who don't happen to look like the majority of everyone else. It doesnt make it perfect, but it also doesn't make it evil. Neither of us will live to see an American free of ethnic issues. Nor, I doubt, will the world.

[weambulance]

I've never paid much attention to Calhoun. Okay, he was pro slavery. Bad, bad, bad. I don't know much about him.

But, now is as good a time as any to point out that very often historical "bad guys" are painted far worse, and the "good guys" are painted as much more heroic and noble, than they actually were. You have to go look at the source material to see if the claims made in textbooks and in classrooms are accurate.

So was John C Calhoun a "complete fucking asshole"? Maybe. I dunno. But if you've never looked into the source material, you don't either. I know one of his contemporaries, Lincoln, was certainly not the saintly man he's made out to be.

It's disconcerting realizing how much of "history" is just a contrast-enhanced fairy tale.

[Kona]

(02-11-2017 06:27 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

First, you apparently don't understand why white guilt is a thing at all. It's not because white people spontaneously feel guilty over things they never personally did. It's because marxist educators have pushed Critical Theory and Political Correctness in schools for about a hundred years.

And those educators were white people!!!!! Was he Carlos Marx?

And no, I don't know a damn thing about the Frankfurt School. So I googled it. Guess what? It was started by white people.

Liberal faggots, Marxists, frankfurt school people, they are white.

I apparently don't understand why white guilt is a thing at all, but thank you for explaining to me how it was created by white people.

(02-11-2017 06:27 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

Second, I don't really care what you think about my "racism" and "white supremacy" because I know I am not racist, nor am I a white supremacist.

Well then why in the hell did you ask?????

Either way, damn it black people, get over slavery. White people have suffered enough.

Aloha!

[MMX2010]

Kona Wrote:

I act as though it is a strictly American issue because we are talking about Yale and America. America does have that whole "All men are created equal" thing which I guess has different meanings to different people.

Isn't that what the "cultural appropriation" argument rests upon, though? That Whites shouldn't wear sombreros because sombreros are a Mexican cultural artifact, and non -Mexicans are extraordinarily unlikely to appreciate the cultural meaning of sombreros, so the best response from Whites is not to wear them?

Well, "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal is a White American cultural artifact. So any non-White person is extraordinarily unlikely to appreciate its cultural meaning, and so the best response from non-Whites and non-Americans is to not discuss it.

[scorpion]

I note that Kona seems to think this was a "white people created issue", based on the idea that Yale (and the rest of the Ivies) are bastions of old money WASPs busily conspiring against the various shades of brown folk who make up their social inferiors. But the reality is that the Ivies have not been this type of WASPish old boys' club for the better part of the past century. In fact, these days, far from being catered to by administrators, WASPs are the single most underrepresented demographic in the Ivy League. Bold claim, isn't it? Sounds impossible? It would be, if not for a single trick: Jews being counted as white. This is how a class at Yale might be reported as 70% "white", which would actually be broken down as 30% white and 40% Jewish. In relation to their actual number of high achieving students compared against Whites and Asians, Jews are overrepresented in Ivy League universities by a factor of 1000.

If you have the time to kill, Ron Unz's extended article on this topic is a must-read. Excerpts:

Quote:

We are therefore faced with the clear conundrum that Jewish students seem to constitute roughly 6 percent of America’s highest-ability high school graduates and non-Jewish whites around 65–70 percent, but these relative ratios differ by perhaps 1000 percent from the enrollments we actually find at Harvard and the other academic institutions which select America’s future elites. Meanwhile, an ethnic distribution much closer to this apparent ability-ratio is found at Caltech, whose admissions are purely meritocratic, unlike the completely opaque, subjective, and discretionary Ivy League system so effectively described by Karabel, Golden, and others.

...

Each year, the Ivy League colleges enroll almost 10,000 American whites and Asians, of whom over 3000 are Jewish. Meanwhile, each year the NMS Corporation selects and publicly names America’s highest-ability 16,000 graduating seniors; of these, fewer than 1000 are Jewish, while almost 15,000 are non-Jewish whites and Asians. Even if every single one of these high-ability Jewish students applied to and enrolled at the Ivy League—with none going to any of America’s other 3000 colleges—Ivy League admissions officers are obviously still dipping rather deep into the lower reaches of the Jewish ability-pool, instead of easily drawing from some 15,000 other publicly identified candidates of far greater ability but different ethnicity. Why would these universities not simply send out inexpensive mailings to these 15,000 top students, encouraging them to apply, especially since their geographical, ethnic, and cultural backgrounds might help to considerably “diversify” undergraduate enrollments, while greatly raising the average student test scores by which these universities supposedly live or die in the competitive college-rankings.

The situation becomes even stranger when we focus on Harvard, which this year accepted fewer than 6 percent of over 34,000 applicants and whose offers of admission are seldom refused. Each Harvard class includes roughly 400 Jews and 800 Asians and non-Jewish whites; this total represents over 40 percent of America’s highest-ability Jewish students, but merely 5 percent of their equally high-ability non-Jewish peers. It is quite possible that a larger percentage of these top Jewish students apply and decide to attend than similar members from these other groups, but it seems wildly implausible that such causes could account for roughly an eight-fold difference in apparent admissions outcome. Harvard’s stated “holistic” admissions policy explicitly takes into account numerous personal characteristics other than straight academic ability, including sports and musical talent. But it seems very unlikely that any remotely neutral application of these principles could produce admissions results whose ethnic skew differs so widely from the underlying meritocratic ratios.

One datapoint strengthening this suspicion of admissions bias has been the plunge in the number of Harvard’s entering National Merit Scholars, a particularly select ability group, which dropped by almost 40 percent between 2002 and 2011, falling from 396 to 248. This exact period saw a collapse in Jewish academic achievement combined with a sharp rise in Jewish Harvard admissions, which together might easily help to explain Harvard’s strange decline in this important measure of highest student quality.

[debeguiled]

I found a picture of everyone who goes to Yale except Kona's friend:

[Lucky]

(02-11-2017 05:58 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Yale is 72% white. 10% black. 21% Asian. 10% Hispanic. Some % others. And then the Hawaiian guy I know. Students that are mixed get reported in multiple categories.

It looks to me like the majority is white.

72 + 10 + 21 + 10 = 113. Some of the "white" students are not white.

But some are (((white))).

Yale is 27% Jewish.

Jews are 2% of the population.

Why are Jews more than 10X more represented than their national demographic?

[Kona]

(02-11-2017 07:23 PM)Lucky Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 05:58 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Yale is 72% white. 10% black. 21% Asian. 10% Hispanic. Some % others. And then the Hawaiian guy I know. Students that are mixed get reported in multiple categories.

It looks to me like the majority is white.

72 + 10 + 21 + 10 = 113. Some of the "white" students are not white.

But some are (((white))).

Yale is 27% Jewish.

Jews are 2% of the population.

Why are Jews more than 10X more represented than their national demographic?

So clear this up, please. George Soros the Jewish guy, whose biologics say he's from Hungary, should be counted in the demographic as Jewish and nothing else?

Aloha!

[Lucky]

(02-11-2017 07:37 PM)Kona Wrote:  

So clear this up, please. George Soros the Jewish guy, whose biologics say he's from Hungary, should be counted in the demographic as Jewish and nothing else?

Aloha!

I suppose looking from the outside in, all whites look and act the same.

Let's just say Jews and gentiles have conflicting interests.

[Kona]

(02-11-2017 07:42 PM)Lucky Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 07:37 PM)Kona Wrote:  

So clear this up, please. George Soros the Jewish guy, whose biologics say he's from Hungary, should be counted in the demographic as Jewish and nothing else?

Aloha!

I suppose looking from the outside in, all whites look and act the same.

Let's just say Jews and gentiles have conflicting interests.

Still confused.

Here's the most Jewish acting American I can think of:



Fran Drescher, the nanny.

Her ancestry is Romanian and Polish. If she went to Yale, should she just be counted as Jewis or white?

Let's say a half polish half Romanian christian went to Yale is he whit or Jewish?

If you total up all of; he Christians from the black, Asian, Hispanic and the Native Hawaiian guy (hes catholic) you get a lot more Christians. So Christians are over represented.

Aloha!

[AnonymousBosch]

(02-11-2017 05:07 PM)Kona Wrote:  

White people are the ones that need to get over slavery.

Do you think that the 10% of black kids at Yale were the ones that made them change the name of the building, or the 72% white people?

This is why I have a hard time believing in any notion of White Supremacy. Killer migraine this morning, so rant incoming:

It wasn't Black Kids who tried to ram Socialism down my throat, day after day, for my entire life, through every facet of my interaction with them, be it the church, schooling or entertainment. If wasn't Black Kids who scolded me for not being mediocre and making others children 'feel bad' for succeeding and told me to hold myself back. It wasn't Black Kids constantly spreading their arse cheeks in the name of 'tolerance' and 'equality' and then not seeing a cause and effect process to why they're constantly getting fucked over and their children aren't succeeding in life. It wasn't Black Kids complaining about the deterioration of societal safety, policing, the health service and even a reliable electrical grid to me, then, as fucking always, deciding the answer to all of these problems is voting for more socialism.

There's something inherently-broken within White Psychology: an intellectual and physical laziness that I suspect is based upon too much comfort and wanting life to be 'easy'. This deliberate avoidance of the consequences of one's actions isn't anything new: this was most people around me during my childhood. How intelligent can White People be if I've spent half my life talking people off the ledge from getting themselves into bad situations by explaining simple cause and effect?

You can talk about people being 'red pilled' or 'traditional' all you want, but very few people I meet haven't aren't intellectually-controlled by at least some aspects of socialist thought.

I can go to a shooting club where the (usually ex-military) guys will talk big about nationalism and traditionalism, but they're still cheering on their little daughters for their masculine shooting ability, functionally-raising them as little boys. Churchgoers will wring their hands over abortion, but mass-import refugees from Islamic Countries and celebrate homosexuality. Even Bikers will praise Pauline Hanson but never question why women should be allowed political and voting power to begin with.

White people aren't being 'victimised' by any other race: they freely-choose the yoke out of fear of being held to true standards of excellence where someone's piece of the pile might be bigger than theirs. If they're so easily-controlled by the Oogie Boogie Jewish Population it's because they're intellectually-outclassed. That's the mess that has to be cleaned up rather than any talk of racial cleansing or expatriation, because that intellectual mediocrity and laziness is going to remain even in a White Ethnostate - it's just the convenient scapegoats to place the blame for personal sloth and their incurious nature will be gone.

Hell, you can blame Feminism all you want for the state of Men, but that doesn't happen unless White Men weren't so easily outsmarted by Lesbians infiltrating the Government. Even now, we're only seeing a potential pushback for all this shit due to Trump - an exceptional White Man.

[rw95]

(02-11-2017 07:23 PM)Lucky Wrote:  

(02-11-2017 05:58 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Yale is 72% white. 10% black. 21% Asian. 10% Hispanic. Some % others. And then the Hawaiian guy I know. Students that are mixed get reported in multiple categories.

It looks to me like the majority is white.

72 + 10 + 21 + 10 = 113. Some of the "white" students are not white.

But some are (((white))).

Yale is 27% Jewish.

Jews are 2% of the population.

Why are Jews more than 10X more represented than their national demographic?

Because the Ashkenazi IQ is approximately 110, and as such they will always be overrepresented?

I don't understand this forum sometimes. Supposedly this forum has become "red-pilled" enough to admit IQ differences between blacks and whites. Why can't we admit the (rather large) IQ difference between the whites and the Ashkenazi?