Quote: (02-01-2017 05:19 PM)Steelex Wrote:I suppose there are always exceptions. The average strong guy could "curl" 200 pounds by turning it into a clean. Then again there's a video of Magnus Samuelsson doing casual curls with 300 pounds or so. He does use some back so it would not fly in a competition (some PL feds have curl competitions) but even being able to curl 200 pounds with perfect form is very rare and impressive and does happen. So I would not rule out the existence of people who can row 120 pounds with good form but it's not a popular competition lift and there's no specific right angle or range of motion to do it in so there's as many row variations as there are people.
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Most people would need to use a shit ton of body English to move 120, that's correct. That's the weight I personally use, but once upon a time it was just a 40lb dumbell. You build up.
The body english is OK in moderate amounts, it's up to the user to decide how much is too fucking much.
But you ain't rowing the 120s without your back going Cobra style. Not gd happening.
PS. Kroc may have put some extra mojo into his DB rows, but he was also a world record holding powerlifter, and had a stupidly well developed back.
I think dudes get carried away and start using a restricted ROM and more body english as their progress becomes less linear. That way they can stick to the illusion of constant improvement instead of accepting some stagnation or switching their program.
Explosive body english in itself is not bad for building muscle but, having done it for too long, I'm going to stay away from it for the rest of my life because I cannot grow a new spine and do already have injuries from overt loading. From a bodybuilding perspective body english lifting does also have the added detrimental effect of possibly shifting the emphasis on the wrong muscles; when you should be training rear delts you might go full ego and end up working your traps instead. As said before you do build a lot of muscle this way but the balanced aesthetic look is best ensured by more careful sculpting. I know no one is going to ever compliment me for doing sloppy lifts in my home but when I go out, I might receive compliments for having nice three dimensional shoulders or really detailed forearms.