[Meat Head]

It depends on how hot she is.

[torid]

Even is she is hot now, in 10 years she will be a bitter and vindictive post-wall bitch. Who will in the best case, divorce you and take from you almost everything you earned all your life by working hard.

[Resolute]

How is this even a debate?

Why would you want the MOTHER OF YOUR CHILDREN to be the victim of a violent and brutal sexual attack by another man?

Honestly, anyone saying they'd consider marrying a woman who was raped, please, PLEASE do yourself a favor and read some psychological publications about the long term effects of rape on a woman's psyche. You owe it to yourself.

Make an educated decision on it. Marriage isn't something you just want to say, "Well, she's hot, so fuck it." about.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(01-23-2017 05:41 AM)torid Wrote:  

Even is she is hot now, in 10 years she will be a bitter and vindictive post-wall bitch. Who will in the best case, divorce you and take from you almost everything you earned all your life by working hard.

Salt manufacturing is on the other side of the political divide.

Here on the Trump side of the line we determine what we want and we get it.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(01-22-2017 09:41 AM)Resolute Wrote:  

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I'd argue quite the opposite. If we are discussing the same definition of "rape".

Let me state unequivocally how *I* define rape: A woman being forcefully and violently taken and sexually penetrated by at least one man against her will, despite her verbal, physical and mental protest.

Take the most stable, well-educated, loving "good girl", put her through the above, and I GUARANTEE she does not come out the same. Anyone with even a tiny amount of experience with women or psychology would be able to pick up signs that something was amiss within a few dates (usually within the first) and CERTAINLY after starting a sexual relationship with her.

Note that I'm only referring to girls who were RAPED per the above definition, not some girl who's uncle touched her once when she was a kid.

You can offer no factual basis to back this up. It's just generic manosphere blah blah.

I could boil your post down to "I can read women with 100% guaranteed accuracy".

I can't. You can't. Not many men can.

Your assertion is as much to say "no woman who has been properly raped has ever gone on to lead a stable life as a good wife and loving matriarch".

Do you realise how hollow that sounds?

I'm not shilling for rape victims, but get your head straight about this. No man short a hymen-checker can know for sure his beloved hasn't been raped.

[Meat Head]

I wonder if the trauma a female rape victim is as bad as that of a man who has been anally raped.

[Resolute]

(01-23-2017 06:26 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

I'm not shilling for rape victims, but get your head straight about this. No man short a hymen-checker can know for sure his beloved hasn't been raped.

Sure, and if we want to go down that route, you can never know for CERTAIN that a woman is a virgin either, unless you are an OBGYN and give her a medical examination prior to sticking your dick inside her, since there are now cosmetic surgeries for the implantation of fake hymens (complete with a synthetic blood) women can get for a couple grand.

But I know *I* would be able to tell the difference between a girl with a fake hymen vs a real one simply because of the way a real virgin behaves after her first sexual experience. There's no FAKING that. If you know what you're looking for, it's obvious as the sun in the sky.

I think we're really arguing semantics here. Sure, can you know with 100% certainty a woman was NOT raped? No, you can't. Not feasibly. Not unless you have CCTV of every moment of her life since birth.

But surely you are not arguing that rape doesn't have real, tangible, emotional and psychological consequences, because that would be absurd.

The arguments being made are not whether or not one can make a certifiable legal case that a woman was or was not raped, but rather that rape victims have real psychological and emotional issues that one with sufficient experience with women, psychology, or both, can recognize with relative ease.

Further, my point was simply that one should not pay full price for damaged goods. Someone earlier in this thread mentioned how he has purchased a couple of salvage/rebuilt cars, and that he never experienced any issues. I applaud his good economic sense, however, I think he missed the forrest through the trees. Surely this gentleman did not pay Kelly Blue Book Value for the cars in question, I'm certain he was wise enough to get a substantial DISCOUNT on these vehicles, which is why he purchased them despite their titles.

The same applies to damaged women. Don't pay full price for broken goods. MARRIAGE is the ultimate "price" you can pay for a woman. So don't MARRY broken women. Date them, fuck them, go on vacations with them.....but don't marry them.

Do you disagree? If so, I would enjoy hearing your reasoning!

[Cr33pin]

[Mage]

(01-23-2017 06:28 AM)Meat Head Wrote:  

I wonder if the trauma a female rape victim is as bad as that of a man who has been anally raped.

Have you been anally raped to compare?

They are both bad no need to compare who's got it worse. We don't play victim Olympics here.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(01-22-2017 09:41 AM)Resolute Wrote:  

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Take the most stable, well-educated, loving "good girl", put her through the above, and I GUARANTEE she does not come out the same. Anyone with even a tiny amount of experience with women or psychology would be able to pick up signs that something was amiss within a few dates (usually within the first) and CERTAINLY after starting a sexual relationship with her.
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(01-23-2017 09:45 AM)Resolute Wrote:  

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The arguments being made are not whether or not one can make a certifiable legal case that a woman was or was not raped, but rather that rape victims have real psychological and emotional issues that one with sufficient experience with women, psychology, or both, can recognize with relative ease.
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You're coming around. Not much further to go.

[Resolute]

^

Point well taken. I did exaggerate a bit with my initial post. Thank you for pointing it out. Sometimes I forget that not everyone has the same level of game/knowledge as myself, and it can lead to some hyperbole. I appreciate you taking the time to call me out on it.

[Cr33pin]

(01-23-2017 10:25 AM)Resolute Wrote:  

^

Point well taken. I did exaggerate a bit with my initial post. Thank you for pointing it out. Sometimes I forget that not everyone has the same level of game/knowledge as myself, and it can lead to some hyperbole. I appreciate you taking the time to call me out on it.

[Resolute]

It doesn't take much to recognize severe sexual trauma, certainly not mastery of the game or a PhD is psychology. If I was going to "Big Baller Troll", I'd do a much better job than that. Good meme response though!

[R_Niko]

(01-23-2017 01:41 PM)Resolute Wrote:  

It doesn't take much to recognize severe sexual trauma, certainly not mastery of the game or a PhD is psychology.

I disagree. There are a lot of reasons the typical woman is fucked up, sexual trauma is only one: feminist indoctrination, absent fathers, abusive parents, media influence, unhealthy lifestyles, and so on. It's not necessarily easy to figure out what exactly a girl's issues are at first fuck.

[Resolute]

Again, I think the forrest is being missed through the trees.

My point is this:

Red pill men should have standards for the women whom they make a legal life-long commitment to, period. "Fucked up" should not be acceptable for a woman you're going to MARRY. I really cannot conceive any sort of reasonable argument that would make logical sense out of marrying a "fucked up" woman. WHY she is fucked up is irrelevant.

I mean, if you want to pick up rotten fruit from the ground and eat it, be my guest, but I will build a ladder, climb the tree, and pick a fresh ripe fruit.

[Cr33pin]

(01-23-2017 01:41 PM)Resolute Wrote:  

It doesn't take much to recognize severe sexual trauma, certainly not mastery of the game or a PhD is psychology. If I was going to "Big Baller Troll", I'd do a much better job than that. Good meme response though!

A new breed of troll has manifested.... a narcissistic complimentary troll.

Let me tell you how great I am..... then compliment you for calling me out.

[Resolute]

Sure thing man, my opinion differs = troll. Ok!

[R_Niko]

I feel this thread has contributed a lot in the way of meaningful discourse and yet my OP received zero likes. I feel as unwanted as a rape victim...

[Serious Sam]

(01-23-2017 03:44 PM)R_Niko Wrote:  

I feel this thread has contributed a lot in the way of meaningful discourse and yet my OP received zero likes. I feel as unwanted as a rape victim...

I just like-raped your OP. You're welcome.

[Hoser]

Meat Head & Mage: I know a guy who was anally raped (as a child, no less, the incident leaving him hospitalized).

He's not butthurt (pun not intended) that the rapist got off scott free. I asked how he could be unmoved: "Not my fault then, nothing I can do about it now. Why waste time thinking about it?"

This is the kind of thinking that made The Greatest Generation... the greatest generation.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(01-23-2017 02:21 PM)Resolute Wrote:  

Again, I think the forrest is being missed through the trees.

My point is this:

Red pill men should have standards for the women whom they make a legal life-long commitment to, period. "Fucked up" should not be acceptable for a woman you're going to MARRY. I really cannot conceive any sort of reasonable argument that would make logical sense out of marrying a "fucked up" woman. WHY she is fucked up is irrelevant.

I mean, if you want to pick up rotten fruit from the ground and eat it, be my guest, but I will build a ladder, climb the tree, and pick a fresh ripe fruit.

Mods. I think resolute needs his user name changed to "Captain Binary".

Frankly, my man, this is where you're revealing yourself to be less of a seasoned bitch-hunter than you try to make yourself out to be.

If you knew much about women you'd know that they're all fucked up on some level. Women are not even remotely as mentally fortified as men no matter how innocent their upbringing. In fact there's every chance that your precious virginal unicorn is going to handle her first fuck badly and end up traumatised, though I'm sure you'll inform me that there is no smoother operator to break in fresh fillies than yourself.

"I'm not going to settle for anything less than a prim and proper natural 10 with great genetics, work ethic and traditional values, and anyone who argues otherwise is not masculine and not red-pilled."

When the big day comes please feel free to post us some pics of her in her wedding dress at the gum-drop chapel on lollipop lane.

[Hoser]

Herr Neubache:

That is some fine prose you shared.

+1

[Sonoma]

Dated a girl who has been molested once. Wasn't too bad.

Girl who had been molested a lot? Nothing good

[Splord]

No way.

Ok, maybe, just maybe, if I was the one who did it and she didn't have too pointy elbows.

[kosko]

If OP has had that many relationships with women who have been through the meat grinder of sexual assault and rape I would question your ability in being able to vet women. Are you a reformed beta? I ask this because beta men are prime targets for emotionally dangerous women. As a reformed beta myself I can speak on this as the line up of basket case women has stopped since I stopped being a teddy bear with broads.

I dated one and that was all I needed to know in how to avoid them as the signs they give out are all the same in a nurotic level in their projections and outburst emotionally. Every now and then I come across them and their traits and I immediately eject from the situation and won't address it further. I don't care how hot or how nice she is. Women have a biological need to cover up as many mental flaws as possible and if she already displays cracks to let out very known emotional triggers and behaviour in early stages you can bet that more lurks behind the curtain.

I feel for them as women but it is a tall task to ask one man to attempt to rebuild a woman's soul. It is a job too large for one person and should be a group effort of family and community. This is why you see so many men balk at this idea because we see the realities in its age that it would be a solo project and you would have to out in considerable effort for very slim rewards. Plus the gamble of her in a content nurotic mental state which can be problematic for children who grow up in that setting. It is known for children to take on some traits which can make children grow to not being to openly handle emotions well and also being more introverted as result of so much drama hanging in the home.

I struggle with this question (just a bit) because I don't cast women to the flames for some thing they did not cause. I don't want to deny any woman who is reasonable and makes an effort to do well to a life alone due to a reality of he'll she lives in that she did or cause. It is a harsh punishment on top of another punishment she already has to deal with. More attention has to be made to incubate women emotionally so they can attempt to heal fully. The sisterhood has been bad with this over the years as this stuff used to take place behind the scenes with women in the church who would want to cleanse a woman so she can still marry and whatever else. The sisters and nuns would work overtime low key with mothers and who else to help incubate a woman emotionally.

But this last point is a dark truth of this topic. For many victims of genuine rape and sexual assault more times than not the attacker is known. This means either family or a family friend so there is a gut reaction for men to run away from this. This likely means a destructive force or bad energy is lurking in her family line and could cause harm to your own family line if you two were to make children. It isn't her fault her family is fucked up in that case but it was one or a few men's mistakes in her family that perpetuated these demons to further live on and metastasize. They chose not to pass at a woman, did not know, or chose to look the other way and kept problems going.