[Leonard D Neubache]

(11-22-2016 04:19 PM)trian1 Wrote:  

Those who engage in highly criminal activity such as pedophilia use secure channels. They are not casually using code in regular emails.

This is just a conspiracy theory with the "clues" being forced into the pre-defined conclusion.

I'm not sure you really understand the giddy thrill of power and secrets.

Why do you think these paedophile rings do this sort of thing. Why not just jack off into a tissue over the kids underwear section of a store catalogue?

Why do you think voyeurs and flashers do what they do?

Why would you try to attribute "normal person" logic to this, as if it's some sort of strict military operation?

These sick fucks play around the edges because they get off on the danger of exposure just as much if not more so than the actual fucking of the children.

Anecdote. I once knew a guy that carried a pistol around, concealed, completely illegally. He didn't have any enemies. He wasn't in fear of his life. He wasn't a militant libertarian. He would flash that gun from time to time, even to complete strangers. Not threaten them or point it at them. Just draw back his coat and let them see it before walking away. He told me "it was a real rush".

Now, if you can understand why this guy would do that, at great risk to his freedom and future, then you will understand why these sick kiddie-fiddling fuckers would:
* use un-secured communications
* speak in extremely basic code
* use paedophile symbols in their business logos
* post bizarre pictures of their own children in compromising poses
* keep incriminating evidence
* maintain friendships with high level convicted paedophiles
* buy and display large amounts of child-rape "art"

[Leonard D Neubache]

Okay, I've already copped a short term ban for what amounted to the inference of political violence (no protest on my part), so if you don't hear from me for a few days (or at all) then you'll know I've pushed the envelope too far.

Point one: This is not just political any more. This is not about Hillary and Trump. This is not about republicans and democrats. This is not about "how it affects the polls". This is a VERY large body of evidence that children are being systematically abused at the very least, and possibly systematically abducted before hand and disposed of afterward at worst. The numbers are anyone's guess.

Point two: When Hillary was exposed for the lying sociopath she was, and more-so when the spirit-cooking scandal broke out, many of us only half-jokingly said that we were no longer fighting a political fight, but we were in the very essence of the thing fighting in a definable battle of good versus evil. No qualifiers. No relativism. Just plain good vs plain evil. God vs Satan. Day by day this is being proven out. That the systems of power which are supposed to protect the innocent are in fact empowering the evil among us, and those evil people are engaging in depravity beyond our comprehension.

Point three: If we accept point one and point two in our heart of hearts as fact, and if Trump for whatever reason fails us in bringing these people to justice or at least in smashing their capacity to do these immense quantities of evil, then we will either have to choose to step in ourselves or become complicit through our silence or inaction.

Point four: There are still many Godfearing men and women in our nations who would refuse to stand by while evil runs rampant across the land.

Point five: If people like us are tasked to be solution of last resort then that solution will not be able to operate under the rule of law.

Point six: Draw your own conclusions.

Perhaps as a father this matter hits a little too close to home for me, but all of you will probably be fathers one day. Imagine what it would be like for you to lose your son or daughter, wondering for the rest of your life what horrors they had endured and if they even still lived.

[CynicalContrarian]

Anytime anyone scoffs at all this "PizzaGate" / "SpiritCooking" content.

Is that because they know (& have data to demonstrate) that it is not true?
Or is it simply that they don't want to believe it is true or even possible?

Just because "PizzaGate" / "SpiritCooking" tears old world views & mental outlooks asunder, the discomfort produced does not make it false simply because of that discomfort.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Thought #567 on this issue.

Quote:

...the NYTimes wrote another biased piece and this time to protect a potential paedophile ring by labelling an independent investigation as “Fake News.”

Can anyone provide a precedent for an immensely circulated mainstream media organisation specifically going out of their way to proclaim a crowd-sourced investigation as "fake news"?

[Duke Castile]

Don't get emotional and banned.

[The Beast1]

(11-23-2016 01:34 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Thought #567 on this issue.

Quote:

...the NYTimes wrote another biased piece and this time to protect a potential paedophile ring by labelling an independent investigation as “Fake News.”

Can anyone provide a precedent for an immensely circulated mainstream media organisation specifically going out of their way to proclaim a crowd-sourced investigation as "fake news"?

What evidence do you need? Look at the NYT's collusion with the Clinton campaign from those emails. All the proof you need is right there.

[Patriarch]

Delete

[Matsufubu]

The fact that there is something being hidden, obscured from public view and shut down is in itself an admission that there is something seriously fucked up going on. Our imaginations will run wild and probably some of what we think is happening, isn't, but if Trump isn't going to go after Hillary then he can divert those resources to this. It's too suspicious to brush off as a conspiracy theory. Somewhere is the 'Is Hollywood run like a Satanic cult?' thread someone posted an excellent point about part of this evil is mockery of what is good/Godly (via inverted crosses, transgenderism, gay marriage etc) - rubbing our noses in it, subtlety telling us what they're doing but getting away with it.

Like Leonard I am a father, and nothing evokes such a visceral, emotional reaction as that to kids being raped and abused, because you can understand the pain and helplessness of the children and the parents. Also like Leonard, I copped a short term ban for letting my emotions (and a couple of whiskies) get the better of me and saying something angrily over the top (splitting a journalist's skull with my axe for putting Roosh's life in danger to sell a story if I remember, so fair enough), but this story has me biting my lip. I'm just glad I'm sober as a judge or I'd cop another ban right now for this story.

Yes, this is not about left and right, politics or anything as mundane as that. Theft is illegal, fraud is illegal, taking drugs is illegal, but they are not EVIL...sexually abusing children is EVIL. This is about evil being done, and evil people are covering something up. Disbelief that it could happen is not disproving anything. Just look at the terrible, evil things done in the world on a daily basis, in history. It is absolutely possible - if not likely - that our worst fears about this story are real.

Drain the swamp indeed.

[Enoch]

(11-23-2016 01:34 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Thought #567 on this issue.

Quote:

...the NYTimes wrote another biased piece and this time to protect a potential paedophile ring by labelling an independent investigation as “Fake News.”

Can anyone provide a precedent for an immensely circulated mainstream media organisation specifically going out of their way to proclaim a crowd-sourced investigation as "fake news"?

Hell, they go out of their way to debunk professional IQ studies, which obviously raise extremely uncomfortable issues.

[El Chinito loco]

James Alefantis, the owner of the D.C. elite's favorite pizza and handkerchief's joint came out and started arguing with internet dudes filming his place.

Unfortunately the people asking him questions sound awkward and unprepared. So i'm not sure whether this was staged by the left to clear Comet or what.

To people who doubt that anything nefarious is going on i'll play devil's advocate for a moment. Let's say there's nothing untoward going on with this whole controversy..

Why in the fuck would a group of people still choose to use known pedo code in their e-mails? Even if it's some kind of sick dark inside joke it's still stupid beyond comprehension. It's right down there with using Al Qaeda or ISIS type code speak with friends over chat for shits and giggles. Just idiotic.

I don't think anyone should be metaphorically burnt at the stake before a proper investigation is done. However, law enforcement's silence on this issue is deafening and troubling. We already have many well known high profile men amongst the left who have a taste for underage kids. This is undeniable at this point. Bill Clinton--->Epstein connection. Anthony Weiner. Not to mention many high profile celebrities who are into some decadent and depraved shit.

Even if the whole thing is a huge misunderstanding the attitude of D.C. law enforcement and associated federals tied with the elites there are definitely contributing to the atmosphere of suspicion.

[Laner]

This is probably why pedophilia is on the rise again.

Any man who is not one, cannot fathom the idea that some men are into this kind of behavior. We know its sick, but in our mind its not even a possibility that abusing young children is a thing that some people do. So we have blissful ignorance. Imagine being a detective and wanting to open this case. Up through the ranks are mostly men, and mostly fathers. These people do not want any of this to be true, as we all take our kids out for pizza and the last thing we want is our family time turned into a sick thought that highly connected political demons are using this innocence to prey upon the most vulnerable and purest of humans.

But perhaps the darkest aspect of this, is that most times these people turn out to be "regular" folks. Coach of the little league team kind of men. They are experts at keeping themselves hidden in plain sight.

Someone mentioned getting a sick thrill from doing this so openly. I believe that 100%. Degeneracy and deviancy have a sick way of wanting to come to the surface, and out in the open. Even in hetero sex, it works the same way. Get a blowjob in a bed, vs getting blowjob in public place. In bed, I can last ages. In public, mere minutes, or even less.

How much self loathing do these people experience, and how much so that they have a desire to be caught and made to come face to face with their evil sins?

[Rigsby]

Ok, still all captcha'd out. Lucky you.

Couple of things you need to learn, or rather, study, get your head around.

First is:

UNODC human Trafficking:

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/human-trafficking/

It's a goldmine of info.

If you study the UNODC on drug trafficking:

https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/drug-trafficking/

then that will also enlighten you as well.

The shit you see in films, it's there for a reason.

They offered the Taliban a carpet of bombs or a carpet of Gold.

Look at 2001 - there is a major spike there. The Taliban cut off the supply of Opium, and even though they had massive reserves for decades that they would later sell on, they made enough of a point - for a whole country to get invaded. What the fuck did Afghanistan have to do with 19 Saudi Hijackers taking down the twin towers?

The UNODC is a major resource. Is the only reason I mention this.

People trafficking is a beautiful business. It is like farming or plucking flowers. Child rape, prostitution, blackmail? Dirty deeds done dirt cheap.

Find these publicly available documents. Study them. Join the dots.

But don't listen to David Icke and his like.

There are two things that make you feel better in this life when you have nothing: 1: Drugs. 2: People.

There are two things that give you power over people when they have nothing: 1: Drugs. 2: People.

To catch a thief it takes a thief.

Know your enemy.

Those that chase monsters, should be careful they do not become monsters themselves.

[budoslavic]

Is Hollywood run like a Satanic cult? See below picture that'll answer the question.

Quote:

Brittany Pettibone ‏@BrittPettibone
Here's Spirit Cooker, Marina Abramovic, with Kim Kardashian. Wonder if this was before or after Kanye turned woke. #SpiritCooking #PizzaGate


2:18 PM - 23 Nov 2016

[budoslavic]

Via Infowars' YouTube video description:

Quote:

Published on Nov 23, 2016
A warning to viewers, the following images are disturbing. This all began after Wikileaks founder Julian Assange released hundreds of thousands of secret documents detailing a corrupt DNC, a backstabbing Clinton foundation and the modus operandi of a clumsy criminal campaign attempting to attain the keys to the most powerful seat on Earth. But the real truth Assange was leading us to was hidden between the blurred lines of Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta’s released emails.

Fast forward past John Podesta’s brother Tony’s casual email exchange with Thalemic Spirit Cooking adherent Marina Abromovic. That was simply an introduction. The Rosetta Stone was needed next. A Verification that high level Washington D.C. Predatory Pedophiles were using a code to communicate child sex trafficking as casually as ordering a pizza. All hidden in plain view.

The FBI has long known the symbols pedophiles are using to operate. An FBI Unclassified document from wikileaks reveals "Symbols and Logos Used by Pedophiles to Identify Sexual Preferences.... to include those who sexually abuse children as well as those who produce, distribute, and trade child pornography, are using various types of identification logos or symbols to recognize one another and distinguish their sexual preferences. To specifically indicate the pedophile's gender preference, members of pedophilic organizations encourage the use of descriptions such as "boylove", "girllove", and "childlove." These symbols have been etched into rings and formed into pendants, and have also been found imprinted on coins. Investigators should also be attentive to pedophilia symbols advertised on Web sites. During examinations of computer files, investigators should be conscious of subjects who try to conceal child pornography by labeling them with symbols instead of the typical suggestive explicit names.

Now…clues. The menu from Comet Ping Pong. Notice the symbol of the ping pong paddles and its clever resemblance to the FBI documents symbol for Child Love. Hang on New York Times before you declare this fake news from your Ivory Tower. Now look at the symbol for Besta Pizza just two doors down from Comet Ping Pong Pizza, boldly using the symbol for boy lover as was recorded on the Unclassified FBI Document. The evidence begins to reveal that Besta Pizza and Comet Ping Pong Pizza maybe competing for the lucrative Washington D.C. Pedophile market right out in the open.

[Rigsby]

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[Rigsby]

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[robreke]

Of course snopes, left-leaning shills that they are, say pizzagate is false:

http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/

Have these leftist lackeys ever, ever, found any allegation that was in the least harmful, disparaging or unfavorable to the left, true?

Not that I've seen.

[LeoneVolpe]

^ Snopes is an absolute joke, I wouldn't be surprised to find this information on their bogus website:

Islam is the "religion of peace" = True
Michelle Obama is actually a man = False
Trump is "literally Hitler" = True

I like how leftists turn their nose up at Breitbart and Drudge yet will cite Snopes with a straight face. Fuck Snopes.

[the-dream]

Does anyone have proof published before this scandal came out that those words are in fact paedophile code words meaning the alleged things and the logos are using paedophile imagery?

Conversely, have the media labelling it as "fake news" offered any explanation or counter evidence to actually try and prove that it is fake?

[SamuelBRoberts]

I haven't been following #pizzagate super closely because like I said on the first page, I think any realistic chance this goes anywhere is zero. Any evidence has long, long since been scrubbed clean.

I think even without that, though, the movement/investigation/whatever you want to call it has been subverted, and is on its way out.

How would you subvert a crowdsourced investigation? Easily. You don't use shills to tell the investigators they're being paranoid. That never works. Look how we reacted when we had a shill one page back. It made people MORE convinced that there was something to #Pizzagate, not less. (That's why I really think it's just a forum member trolling us.)

Here's what you do if you want to shut down a crowdsourced investigation into a conspiracy: Have one shill account suggest some idiotic piece of evidence about the conspiracy. Something that's going to sound retarded to normal people. (I give some examples below.) Then have a bunch of other shills upvote him, retweet him, or spread his argument some other way. Crowd psychology takes over, and suddenly the idiotic evidence becomes a central part of the case against the conspiracy.

Since the evidence you introduced is prima facie idiotic, people who might otherwise be tempted to take the conspiracy theory seriously ignore it, and it withers on the vine. Once you've made the investigators look stupid, you can ban them, isolate them, or punish them in any way you like, because everyone thinks they're a bunch of idiots who deserve what they get.

An example of this is 9/11. There are serious questions that could be asked about 9/11. Were any of them asked? No, instead we got silly nonsense about how fire can't melt steel, and bombs rigged to blow at the exact same time a plane struck the towers.

#PizzaGate is now undergoing that exact process. When I looked this afternoon, there were multiple sources on the Pizzagate Voat telling me that "James Alefantis" is actually a pseudonym meaning "I Love Infants." That's goofy idiocy. There's also obviously photo-shopped fake articles. (I'm thinking specifically of the diagram of the 'hankerchief code' that says a white hankerchief is code for pedophilia. That's fake and doesn't appear in the original wikipedia article.) There's wild claims that somehow the NYT is on in this. This particular idiot wants you to know that "Besta" means "Beast" in Portuguese, and did you know that the age of consent is FOURTEEN in Portugal?

The bitch of the thing is that it's impossible to tell what's actually a dedicated subversion attempt, and what's a bunch of idiots latching on to anything that confirms their pre-existing beliefs.

I want to make it very clear that I'm not accusing anyone on this forum of the behavior I've described here. By and large, people here have their heads on straight. But out in the wider world, and specifically on voat, there's a lot of stupidity, and I think some of it might be deliberate.

I'm calling it now, #PizzaGate is on its way out. Nothing will come of this. There will be no more major findings.

It does make me sad. I hope the FBI or DOJ or someone got enough good evidence to shut the place down and arrest those responsible.

[Duke Castile]

That guy seaman is going all in on Pizzagate saying pedos are who are behind the death of Seth Rich and several other people

[Cattle Rustler]

I doubt anyone at the FBI/DOJ is going to touch this, they know it's career and maybe literal suicide. If anything, weaponized autism should unite to form nuclear autism and run a NSA-esque honey pot operation for these high powered fucks. The FBI did it with that PlayPen website.

[El Chinito loco]

(11-24-2016 03:47 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

I'm calling it now, #PizzaGate is on its way out. Nothing will come of this. There will be no more major findings.

I think you're right. There's enough weirdness here to warrant an investigation and if it didn't involve highly ranked DNC figureheads they probably would have been breaking down doors as we speak.

The evidence is "scant" because noone in positions of power are actually doing anything with what's available to begin with.

I think that's what pisses most of the non conspiratorial public off the most.

This is just being glossed over like dozens of potentially serious crimes perpetrated by the DNC. It's just another in a long line of whitewashes.

[Gmac]

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