[tomtud]

Those in the ESL world know that asia and the middle east pay the best for that. It's good to go for a year anywhere else, get that experience then come back home. However, if you have a techers license from your state, you can get a job in those expensive private schools and make similiar cash to teachers home. Plus they throw in free flights and a free apartment, you are laughing. Mixx is right a lot of women look at status, however, working at a prestigious private school can make them salivate. Plus your social circle of friends will allow you to meet a lot of women who aren't necessarily whores. Whatever floats your boat, but get that teachers license if you want to make serious cash if you plan on working down there.

[Chaz]

Tony Snow,
First of all, thanks for giving the 'thumbs up' to the El Misti hostel in the Botafogo area of Rio a while back. I stayed there last month (got a single room) and good times were had. Met a group of 4 Brazilian girls, banged one of them.

What are the logistics of teaching English in SP? What sort of credentials do you need? Some sort of ESL certificate? And what sort of visa is needed? Is the tourist visa good enough? (which I guess means working under the table?) Or is a work visa required?

How did you go about finding work there? And how are you doing with the Portuguese language? (by the way, at that El Misti hostel in Rio, I met an Australian woman, about 60, who had been teaching English in Buenos Aires for the last few years. She could not speak any Spanish at all! I could not believe it. I guess she just talks to other Aussies and English speakers only.)

Thanks!

[Tony Snow]

@Chaz glad you had a good time in Rio that hostel is chill I met a lot of cool people and it is in a central location. If your a Native speaker it is pretty easy to get a job teaching English. I had other job offers but I'm just working for one organization. I private messaged a guy from London who had a post in the forum on gringoes.com under the teaching english section which said his school was looking for native english speakers and pretty much got the job once I arrived from Rio. As far as certificates go I'm not exactly sure. I got a TESOL certificate in the U.S. and I have a B.A. degree. But I talked to some people who teach here with out TESOL certificates and you might not even need a college degree but I'm not sure. I work on a Tourist Visa it doesn't matter it's one of those little things that they don't care about in Brazil. I think you only need a Work Visa to work at franchise schools(Wizard, Wise up, Cultura Inglesa etc.) but they pay shitty. I'm doing alright with the Portuguese and been using the Pimsleur program. Hit me up if you travel to SP or let me know if you need more info.

[Sonsowey]

Dash,

Here is the CELTA site, your questions are answered here: http://cambridgeesol-centres.org/centres...g/index.do

I'm just starting this all so I'm no expert. Go to the forum I posted earlier for questions that aren't answered by the CELTA site, since many people have asked them all before.

When people like Mixxx or G Manifesto talk about how Latina girls love status, you have to understand they're operating in a different world. Don't worry, there are plenty of young Colombian girls who don't need you to drop dough to bang them. For instance, my first lay all I did was stop between the bus stop and my house with the chick and buy some fresh juice.

Custom suit? Nope. Though to most girls in their early 20's, having your own appartment is a pretty big deal.

[Chaz]

Hey Tony, thanks a lot for the info. I appreciate it, and gotta say it sounds interesting. I would not know where to begin with teaching ESL, though. Is there a textbook/course materials that you use? I don't know anything about teaching methodology, etc., but I guess I could learn about it. I suppose you learned about language acquisition methods in your TESL course?

I was in Sao Paulo last year and I liked it there. Hopefully I can return next year, maybe even teach English there. Oh, there was one thing I did not like about SP... I thought that the air quality was less than stellar... have you noticed this?

[Dash Global]

@lavinci i plan on doing that also on top of working at a university.

[Tony Snow]

@Chaz the organization you work for will provide teaching material and there is a lot of information about teaching ESL online. I don't think the air quality is that much worse than LA,CA.

@Dash I've done some research before I came down to Brazil and it seems that the cities in Latin America that have the highest demand are Santiago, Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires and Bogota.

[globaltesol]

Teach English in Brazil is the best Latin country to teach as everybody recommend this country is really good for teaching English.

[Dick Stroker]

I have heard that one needs to be (A) Caucasian and (B) have an American and not an English accent.

Is there any truth to this?

[redneckpunk]

Being white definitely helps

Lots of Brits teaching in Colombia

[philly22]

Anyone got any bangs from their students/former students?

Any rules against it? For instance a professor can't date students at a university but I feel like it would be less strict with ESL

[puckerman]

What about Chile?

[azulsombra]

Ive seen job postings for chile that seem legit as far as salary, which would be good for latinam. The only negative is......its chile. If part of your motivation for doing the job is to bang hot fit feminine women, chile comes up very short.

[Arturo Belano]

Anyone got any data on teaching in Mexico? Preferably Guadalajara. Seems like it'd be a good spot for it.

[bacon]

(12-11-2013 11:10 AM)Arturo Belano Wrote:  

Anyone got any data on teaching in Mexico? Preferably Guadalajara. Seems like it'd be a good spot for it.

Mexico has new visa laws in place which require you to go back to the us for the work visa. Unlike china you cant really secure a job from overseas you need to be on the ground to get one typically. Since its latin america and largely laws are not enforced to much you can still find work under the table but the pay is not very good (often 5 an hr) and keep in mind the cost of living is some of the highest in latin america. Also there are a lot of deported mexicans who speak near fluent english which means more competition for better paying legal english jobs.

Overall you can easily find work here with little to no qualifications but your pay will often be low and the hours could be a not enough and horribly spread out so a 9am class 3pm class 8pm class and maybe just those 3 classes a day. You can make more money doing private tutoring but you need to hustle. Ideally to live comforably you should have savings and or passive income to subsidize your lifestyle. So with all the negatives why would people do tesl here? Mexico has some of the best food, weather and women in the world.

[Corroncho]

(11-10-2013 09:08 PM)philly22 Wrote:  

Anyone got any bangs from their students/former students?

Any rules against it? For instance a professor can't date students at a university but I feel like it would be less strict with ESL

I can't speak for other Latin countries, but nobody in Colombia seems to care about professors banging their students, even in the universities. Also, Colombia is full of discreet sex motels if you want to stay low-profile, and Colombian girls in general keep their mouths shut pretty well unless they get jealous (jealous Latin girl? No, never!) Making friends with your students is a great option, too. They'll meet you out, introduce you to their single (as far as you know) friends, and now you're the dynamite in the gold mine. I've never gone wrong in Colombia just keeping my dress/hygiene top shelf and feeding their endless vanity.

[BadWolf]

Unless you're pretty serious about the ESL thing, finding well paid work in Mexico is hard. There are plenty of schools in DF that will pay you 100 pesos por hora but you gotta live in DF or make the commute from Toluca. Privates used to pay about 200 for an hour and a half but then you'd have to constantly find the contacts AND plan the lessons (a pain in the ass and time you're not being paid for). Then you'd have the problem of Mexicans actually showing up on time. Brazilians have a different problem, they just don't show or conveniently forget to pay because they found something better to do. (Brazilian flake culture)

Brazil is a much better place to make money but unless you have a degree, you won't get more than a 3 month visa and you need to be in Brazil full time to make contacts and make money. It might be a bit different though, I haven't been back in 5 or 6 years. 10 years ago the scene was booming and you could easily make 50 bucks an hour but that was before it became super expensive to live there and very few people actually traveled down there.

Latin America is TOUGH to find ESL work on your first trip, you usually have to stay 6 or so months to figure out all the places you can teach at and unless you get a network of privates going you are looking at 4 to 8 bucks an hour (Mexicans make 1 per hour). A much better strategy is to go and work in the oil fields, or wherever you can make some decent money, eat peanut butter sandwiches for a year and sock away all your cash. Then you can just go down to Mexico for 6 months, buy a $10,000 dollar house (2 bedroom) and live there 6 months out of the year or rent a house for 300 bucks a month (a bit tougher for a gringo). I use to do this in my early 20's, I'd work 3 jobs, live at home and save about $1000 dollars a month, then go down and live in Mexico with $3000 to $6000 in my bank account and just play my PS2 and live off of whatever money I could get from classes. I had a TESOL and CELTA.

Can't speak for Colombia but I have heard its dangerous as fvck there and in Peru also the ESL market there kinda sucks..

If you want to make EASY money in ESL, you've got to come to ASIA: Japan, China, Vietnam, Korea and teach KIDS. Most of latin america is adult's private classes and thats 99% Grammar AND Grammar is FUCKIN HARD!

Quick example:

Whats the difference between I work and she works?

If you don't know the exact grammar rule, you look like a friggin idiot in front of your students because they all know and have been taught this since they were kids. Explain Simple Perfect versus Past Progressive or speaking in the third person and its various uses. It's not just conversation... thats the biggest problem teaching adults, they are going to ask you these questions and you are going to look like an ass. 90% of people don't know this stuff because you rarely ask questions about the structure of your first language, unless you are a REAL teacher. I've been in that situation alot and even though I went through CELTA, I still can't remember HALF the grammar stuff they taught... I was too busy trying to get phone numbers from the Brazilian girls.

People like myself who teach English, we're just guys trying to get laid.

Teaching kids? Scream words on flash cards and play games, thats about the extent of your lesson. If you want to teach adults you NEED that CELTA course or at least get all the books from it.

[InternationPlayboy]

From what I understand reading this forum and the little bit I've travelled, teaching English just doesn't pay in Latin America. The only place it seems to be somewhat lucrative is São Paulo, but even then, not relatively. It seems that if you want to teach English, Asia is the way to go. Latin America just doesn't pay, no matter where you are.

[puckerman]

(12-11-2013 10:56 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Ive seen job postings for chile that seem legit as far as salary, which would be good for latinam. The only negative is......its chile. If part of your motivation for doing the job is to bang hot fit feminine women, chile comes up very short.

Chile is probably the most capitalist nation in South America.

This is about a lot more than sex. Go here:

http://galtsgulchchile.com/

[placer]

I did the ESL thing for a few years in Mexico. It took me a couple of months and a lot of hitting the street to get my first gig; I ended up having three (!!) gigs at once and still wasn't quite making ends meet. All under the table and paid in cash.

To get a work visa in Mexico, I needed an employer to sponsor me over the table.

It took me about two years to get a steady gig which got me the visa; I worked in an office as an English teacher in the morning and translator in the early afternoon. It was about $600 a month, which isn't much, but it paid for rent in the nice section of town ($250) as well as food and other essentials.

Getting the visa required a lawyer; I needed a four-year college degree but didn't need to go to the US to get the visa (has this changed?).

In terms of meeting girls, I ended up dating the sister of one of my students for a few months.

[ElFlaco]

Private English teacher here in Mexico City. I can second BadWolf's post. Adults expect you to have some explicit knowledge of English grammar - and that isn't something you really pick up and absorb in a one-month TEFL course. It's ironic, because the grammar explanations I give my students are often either too short to be sufficiently complete, or too long to be useful. But students want them; they have the idea that if they could just learn all the rules, then their English problems would disappear. If only. For some students, I suggest that they get the English In Use books by Cambridge in order to give some structure to that part of the lesson. Others just want to talk and receive corrections/explanations during the session.

To teach legally here, I did a CELTA course, got permission to work as a freelancer in this field from Immigration (INM), and then signed up at the tax bureau (SAT). This allows me to give students facturas (tax-deductible receipts). Some students need them (for example, if their employer reimburses classes); many don't. By the way, freelancers pay substantial taxes on reported income, up to 30%. With the recent immigration changes that bacon mentioned, I'm not even sure if foreigners can still get permission to work here as freelancers. In any event, it's certainly possible to give privates under the table.

Over the last two years, I've had about 10 regular or semi-regular private students - not a full-time effort, obviously. If I hustled, I could get more, but it's work just rounding up and keeping students. As it is, they usually find out about me via friends and acquaintances. You can advertise on the web or with signs in the streets, but this is a low-trust culture; most people prefer to take classes from someone that has come recommended to them somehow.

I currently charge about $20 USD / hour. Most trained native-speaker teachers charge a bit less, I think. This price puts it out of range for most Mexicans, even for many professionals. However, there are locals here who earn well, and when they see how much their English is holding them back in their career, they get motivated to improve. I don't accept low intermediates, since they can't handle a conversation-based class - and honestly, if they haven't gotten their English to at least that level after a lifetime of courses, the chance of substantial progress at this point is slim. I do almost no prep time outside of class, because I look for students who primarily want to practice their speaking. They come to my part of town, which is centrally located. I've done classes in my apartment, in cafes, or via Skype. I have experimented with pre-payment, but I currently let students pay at the end of the lesson itself. A firm policy about lateness and cancellations from the get-go is a must or you will be taken advantage of. I accept changes up to 24 hours before the session; whether I'm strict or flexible about same-day changes depends on my schedule and general attitude about the particular student.

Another route to go is teaching in an independent or chain language school here, or teaching for a language school, but on-site in companies, either group or individual classes. Given the insanely low pay and travel times involved, I don't recommend this. As bacon mentioned, to work legally here, you now need to leave the country to process your application, although some schools might still be willing to hire you illegally.

For teachers with very solid experience, there are better-paying options, for example, teaching in a private high school or university, or moving into administration in one of the language-school chains. I know some folks (Mexicans, or foreigners with Mexican business partners) here who have opened independent language schools and are doing well. You can either have a physical school that students come to, or you can just send teachers out to teach in companies and not maintain a physical office at all. This presumably takes a few years to build up.

Overall, I would not recommend teaching English in Mexico City (and the pay is considerably worse elsewhere in Mexico, although that's somewhat offset by the lower cost of living). Better to bank some savings first (spent) or run an internet-based business of some sort (working on that). I enjoy the few students I currently have, but I'm not accepting new ones at this point.

[azulsombra]

(12-18-2013 02:00 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

(12-11-2013 10:56 AM)azulsombra Wrote:  

Ive seen job postings for chile that seem legit as far as salary, which would be good for latinam. The only negative is......its chile. If part of your motivation for doing the job is to bang hot fit feminine women, chile comes up very short.

Chile is probably the most capitalist nation in South America.

This is about a lot more than sex. Go here:

http://galtsgulchchile.com/

I clicked the link. Whats your point? If u already have investments in chile why not just say that? If thats the case teaching in chile may make more sense for you but I wanted to inform of a huge negative that others may not be aware of.