[Russ]

I have been using a conversational technique to some good effect lately, but ,it seems rather too devious for me. let me explain and you tell me if you would try this or would shy away from it for moral reasons. i met a woman and i could tell that i was going to placed into the "friendship" slush pile. she is hot and i decided that this simply was not good enough and needed a way into her delights. I did the follwing.

One afternoon, i asked he if she had ever been deeply in love or knew a man who "excited her soul"? she said she had. i had her describe him in detail and tell me how he effected her mind and body.she became obviously excited. i then guided her all the way through stories and events using him as the template and that made her orgasm.i then bedded her from that rush of pleasure she was feeling. so,in other words, i got the sexual fall out. i can now do this 6-7 times out of ten with women.

so, is this wrong? is this manipulation? she did say to me "you fuck my mind" or is this a clever person using what i am given and going with it? would you try this? the pro of this, besides the sex, is that you can go from friends to adventures. i would like to hear your opnions on this.

[Excelsior]

There is nothing "devious" at all about charming a woman and turning her on mentally and physically.

Stop shaming yourself.

[blurb]

Women complain that men only use them for sex; on the other hand, women allow themselves to be used for sex. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. Just because a man treats a woman out on a date and gives her gifts doesn't meant he's entitled to sex, but by that same token, just because a woman gives a man sex doesn't mean that she's entitled to his commitment.

One of the greatest things I've learned in life is that you teach people how to treat you. If you're a pussy, people are going to treat you like a pussy and take advantage of you; if you're a man that doesn't take bullshit, then people are going to respect you. If you're a chaste and honorable woman with a sense of honor and dignity, then people will treat you like a lady...or at least in a better way; if, as a woman, you're a slut and a whore then people will treat you as such.

I think I now where you're coming from. Judging from your post, it seems that you're new to Game. You're afraid of hurting her. You're afraid of using a tool (Game) to get what you want (sex). You're afraid of inflicting some sort of emotional/psychological pain on a woman. Guess what? They actually like this shit. Women are drama queens, attention whores, and emotional vampires. They want to be pump-and-dumped by an alpha. They want a man to use Game to turn her on. Game is the only thing that turns on a woman.

She acts like a whore so treat her as a whore, not a princess.

If you're worried about lying or being deceptive, remember this: women lie all the time.

Women lie about their age.

Women lie about their number of sex partners.

Women lie that they're on the pill in the hopes of getting pregnant with a high-status powerful wealthy man.

Women lie about their number of sexual experiences and sex acts.

Wives lie to their husbands that they were visiting their sister's house while they were secretly fucking Eduardo the poolboy or Vladimir the hockey player.

Women have sex with you only to discover that they're married/engaged/have a boyfriend.

Women have breast implants and then lie that they're real.

And the list goes on and on and on...


For more elaboration, here's a video by Tom Leykis on this very subject:

Incentives drive behavior. What are you waiting for? As Macchiavelli put it bluntly,"The end justifies the means."

It's a dog-eat-dog world out there. The world is not a nice place. You will get hurt. You will lose stuff. People will mistreat you. People will hate you. People will turn their backs on you and stab you in the back. You will work hard only to have someone else take the credit.

I especially like this quote from Tucker Max's Assholes Finish First:

Unless you are a complete asshole, the world will take advantage of you.

Oh, and another thing, be careful from whom you ask advice. Experiment with things and see what works best for you. A man carves out his own destiny. One of the things I look for when taking advice from people is their credentials. Would you take weight-loss advice from the world's fattest man? Of course not because whatever advice the fat man has said, it certainly hasn't worked for him. One of the reasons I listen to guys like Roissy, Heartiste, Roosh, Mixx, Tuthmosis, etc. is because these guys get laid...a lot. They gain even more crediblity when I've had success using what they said.

[Samseau]

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i then guided her all the way through stories and events using him as the template and that made her orgasm.

Mind sharing these stories and events with us?

[CJ]

I *think* Mystery or some other PUA had a youtube video up about using this method. This seems pretty familiar to me for some reason.

[Russ]

Thank you for the comforting replies, guys. I am new [ish] to the game and i would never have dared to think of women in those terms,but, my experience says you are correct. women complain and gripe, but,secretly, i know they love the drama of it all. they certainly love the intense feelings i give them. hearing someone else say this is why i joined the forum.

as for how: its a good system because you can simply be the "friend" of the HB and then when that is set up, start the stories. Also, when she gripes on about some "asshole" who broke her heart,that is when you fact find for the later game.
its best on the phone the first time so she can simply visualize "him". you ask her "have you ever been deeply in love", "have you ever known a man who excited your soul",. then you say some variation of "see in your mind as real,the face and body of this man".then "allow your mind and body to feel the effect he has on you". then "feel him hug you.cuddle you.massage you". then "feel you boddy throb as he massages you.feel your emotions surge through your body". then you say "shall i go on or stop". some girls stop.some girls have never been in love.so its not a 100% thing. and all with a slower and deeper vocal tone. it is such a buzz to see a hot babe friend getting excited by what YOU are saying. total buzz. then "as you body throbs think deep inside your mind 'omg....omg...how is russ making me feel this way...how...omg..omg". that is the best bit. because it makes her include YOU in her moans etc.

[Hooligan Harry]

@blurb

Game is the only thing that turns a woman on? Dude, get 18 inch guns or a sports car and tell me the same thing with a straight face.

The nice thing about being men is that we have options.

1 - Money,
2 - looks/fitness,
3 - game,
4 - dominance/cave man shit.

Women have their looks. Thats all they have.

The more you have of numbers 1 through 4, the more pussy you get and the higher quality it will be. You dont have to have 1-4 either, you just need one. I wish more men would get that into their heads and realise that the odds are in our favour.

@Russ

You seduced her. Emotional rollercoaster = wet pussy. Well played son.

[Caligula]

(08-07-2011 09:42 PM)CJ Wrote:  

I *think* Mystery or some other PUA had a youtube video up about using this method. This seems pretty familiar to me for some reason.

Sounds like the kind of NLP stuff Ross Jeffries promotes.

[Pusscrook]

(08-08-2011 08:04 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

@blurb

Game is the only thing that turns a woman on? Dude, get 18 inch guns or a sports car and tell me the same thing with a straight face.

The nice thing about being men is that we have options.

1 - Money,
2 - looks/fitness,
3 - game,
4 - dominance/cave man shit.

Women have their looks. Thats all they have.

The more you have of numbers 1 through 4, the more pussy you get and the higher quality it will be. You dont have to have 1-4 either, you just need one. I wish more men would get that into their heads and realise that the odds are in our favour.

@Russ

You seduced her. Emotional rollercoaster = wet pussy. Well played son.

How about after the pussy is wet = ...getting paid!