[Rocha]

(09-23-2016 07:34 PM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-23-2016 07:02 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

Answering to Dantes, I have never been in any of those countries/regions, but I have Armenians in high regard, all of the chicks I met or hooked up in Ukraine from there where really hot brunettes. As for Georgia, from experience of others, I know that quality is really below Ukraine, but there are stunners. I also think Vorkuta wrote about the place.

I'm not sure why, but I find Armenians in Russia and Ukraine better than in their homeland. Could be some kind of selection bias as a result of mass population movements during their genocide - the ones with the ability to relocate were probably higher classes and therefore hotter. Or maybe I just have better luck finding them here.

I think you just have better luck.

Armenian genocide is previous to the Soviet Union formation, more than 100 years ago. Someone whose ancestors fled the country in that era has a small chance of declaring itself Armenian.

[Travesty]

Ok so what I am hearing is a Russian yoga instructor is the best chance I have.

However, Courage Reborn who has maybe some of the most experience day gaming girls in different countries around the world on the forum as well as fine sense at seeing what's really going on in each country decided to marry a Russian girl and stated many cities in Russia have girls that are good for marriage material. I know it is one case, a guy with that magnitude of experience making that decision is hard to ignore.

I guess it makes sense girls that are fine getting in class room in skin tight clothes that leave almost nothing to the imagination then doing what amounts to sexual stretches sometimes in an ultra heated room is not good girl territory.

[DaveR]

(09-24-2016 07:59 AM)Rocha Wrote:  

Armenian genocide is previous to the Soviet Union formation, more than 100 years ago. Someone whose ancestors fled the country in that era has a small chance of declaring itself Armenian.

Many of them have maintained their own culture for that long, especially those from Krasnodar or Rostov where they have their own enclaves and mostly associate with each other.

[DaveR]

(09-24-2016 08:58 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

However, Courage Reborn who has maybe some of the most experience day gaming girls in different countries around the world on the forum as well as fine sense at seeing what's really going on in each country decided to marry a Russian girl and stated many cities in Russia have girls that are good for marriage material. I know it is one case, a guy with that magnitude of experience making that decision is hard to ignore.

Fair point. I'm sure CR has done his homework on his girl. He was definitely not short of choices.

And I don't mean to write off an entire nationality. My point was that you shouldn't assume that she'll make a good wife just because she's feminine and Russian. Their culture doesn't encourage fidelity and unbreakable marriage any more than American culture does. I would even argue that it's worse in that respect. So if you're wife hunting in Russia, make sure to check her background very carefully, screen her family and friends, etc.

Those aspects are not so much of a problem in traditional, conservative cultures. Like Armenians and Georgians, for example. But on the other hand I find the women from those countries not as attractive (on average) and much harder to bang. But they can cook.

Another example: Italians are very conservative when it comes to marriage and fidelity... but other aspects, like the fact that Italy is a massive sausagefest, make it a a terrible place for wife hunting.

It's all just weighing risks and benefits in the end.
I would summarise as follows (and these are just my opinion):
American/British: fat, entitled, ugly, masculine, easy to bang(low quality), can't cook, high chance of divorce rape
Russian: slim, pleasant, hot, feminine, relatively easy to bang, can't cook, high chance of divorce rape
Armenian/Georgian: slim, pleasant, reasonable looks, feminine, hard to bang, good cooking, loyal
Italian: slim, entitled, kind of frumpy because sausagefest drives down availability, hard to bang, good cooking, loyal

Clearly you're better off wife hunting anywhere but the US, but depending on what your priorities are, Russia might not be the ideal place either.

[robreke]

(09-24-2016 09:58 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-24-2016 08:58 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

However, Courage Reborn who has maybe some of the most experience day gaming girls in different countries around the world on the forum as well as fine sense at seeing what's really going on in each country decided to marry a Russian girl and stated many cities in Russia have girls that are good for marriage material. I know it is one case, a guy with that magnitude of experience making that decision is hard to ignore.

Fair point. I'm sure CR has done his homework on his girl. He was definitely not short of choices.

And I don't mean to write off an entire nationality. My point was that you shouldn't assume that she'll make a good wife just because she's feminine and Russian. Their culture doesn't encourage fidelity and unbreakable marriage any more than American culture does. I would even argue that it's worse in that respect. So if you're wife hunting in Russia, make sure to check her background very carefully, screen her family and friends, etc.

Those aspects are not so much of a problem in traditional, conservative cultures. Like Armenians and Georgians, for example. But on the other hand I find the women from those countries not as attractive (on average) and much harder to bang. But they can cook.

Another example: Italians are very conservative when it comes to marriage and fidelity... but other aspects, like the fact that Italy is a massive sausagefest, make it a a terrible place for wife hunting.

It's all just weighing risks and benefits in the end.
I would summarise as follows (and these are just my opinion):
American/British: fat, entitled, ugly, masculine, easy to bang(low quality), can't cook, high chance of divorce rape
Russian: slim, pleasant, hot, feminine, relatively easy to bang, can't cook, high chance of divorce rape
Armenian/Georgian: slim, pleasant, reasonable looks, feminine, hard to bang, good cooking, loyal
Italian: slim, entitled, kind of frumpy because sausagefest drives down availability, hard to bang, good cooking, loyal

Clearly you're better off wife hunting anywhere but the US, but depending on what your priorities are, Russia might not be the ideal place either.

Ukraine just as bad as Russia? Also, anyone have experience in more "off the wall" EE countries like Serbia or Romania for decent wife hunting?

[Travesty]

This thread is devoted to day to day tips and experiences going to good girl venues, dating good girls, joining and becoming apart of communities that give better access and so on.

There is a thread specifically devoted to discussing and comparing LTR women from different countries and all the complications that come with that.

The main reason to make this thread was to separate it from the long analysis and debate necessary in the Wife Hunting Abroad thread. I am going to try to separate them.

This thread is more about day to day mindset and actions. The way to approach. The demeanor. Day to day screening girls with red flags. Meeting their families. Seeing how their siblings' marriages panned out etc... The relationship dynamics, the phases. The game part.

[DaveR]

(09-24-2016 10:46 AM)robreke Wrote:  

Ukraine just as bad as Russia? Also, anyone have experience in more "off the wall" EE countries like Serbia or Romania for decent wife hunting?

Ukrainian and Russian cultures are very similar and they have the same astronomical divorce rate. Much of it is the result of Soviet anti-family indoctrination.

But keep in mind these are generalisations. You could still find a good wife there, but the risk of divorce is high, so you'd want to spend a lot of time checking the girl's background and views.

I don't know a lot about Romania and Serbia. However, a Croatian guy told me Croatian girls like to give blowjobs and do anal so they're still virgins when they get married.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

(09-23-2016 07:43 PM)Windom Earle Wrote:  

So what happens when you find this chick that checks all the requisite boxes, are you cut out for the work involved and the inevitable changes to your lifestyle (and will you remain 100% faithful to her? - more on that later).

A lot of us are in the game for this very reason, test driving until we find what we think is the right "model", although we're ill equipped due to the lifestyle we've led up until that point to switch to care and maintenance mode in an LTR. Not just ensuring services are done on time but truly and genuinely investing your time and effort into the relationship to ensure that lustre is retained.

LTR's are a lot of work, and if you've found the high quality woman of your dreams there's no cruise control option. You can try it, sure, but you'll end up in a ditch.

In any relationship worth pursuing there will be arguments of varying ferocity. If you're not arguing on a semi-regular basis, I say the passion levels are lacking and she will be so supplicating as to eventually bore the shit out of you - a daily driver that never sees the redline. Suitable for the elderly, but not in your prime years.

I'm not talking about the nagging shrew here, but the type of woman that soaks your sheets because you dominated her in the bedroom as well as in the frame stakes when the occasion called for it. No, your aloof game won't cut it here.

If it's perceived as a big enough issue, in the past a particular argument may have been reason enough to eject from the situation (or hamster away that it is), moving on to another conquest, continuing the cycle of the bachelor. Rinse and repeat. Or maybe you stay and hold onto that grudge without addressing it, either way, the contempt will ensure the same result.

Over time that's something to weigh up, but isolated incidents are your chance to break-through and resolve, troubleshoot if you will, as you take your wrench to the inner workings of the machine to fine tune its performance. You come out the other side now more familiar with its handling, and most importantly, knowing what to do if the same issue ever arises again.

So now you're at the stage where you've put on 50,000 miles and whilst everything is going well, you still have an undeniable urge to drive another on the odd occasion on a tight and curvy road and through a hillside tunnel. Do you roll the dice and give into that urge?, because I guarantee, even if you're driving your dream car, the thrill of being in the cockpit of another won't really ever dissipate (at least not in your prime). There will always be newer models as the years roll on.

Therein lies the dilemma(s) we face as "former" players.

Good post. I think there are three different levels of LTR. One is just "I like fucking you, so I'll keep doing it". This is basically a plate. It might be monogamous, but that's a matter of chance. The second level is to specifically promise and commit to monogamy.

The third level is much higher. It is to commit to making the relationship last. In the second level, you can commit to monogamy, but when the bloom is off the rose, you say, Next! In comparison, the third level of commitment is to work to keep the bloom on the rose.

Most western marriages now are only the second level of commitment. What Windom Earle is talking about here is the kind of effort needed to sustain the third level of commitment. I'd say not to get married unless you're prepared to make this level of commitment, and your sober, rational judgment is that your wife has the same level of commitment, and is supported and encouraged in this by her parents and church. Of course, we all know this is rare, but this thread is about finding that kind of girl, so I think this idea of commitment is what you have to look for.

[rudebwoy]

I would take my chances with a Serbian over a Russian/Ukranian in terms of finding a wife.

Serbian gals can be princesses like any other girls, they have a loyalty that I like.

I think with the other Slavic cultures you are looking for needles in a haystack.

[articulatecool]

The qualities you are looking for in a good girl are qualities I see in my main significant other. These types of women make great long term partners and are literally loyal to you through thick and thin. You won't have to worry about other guys making passes at them (even Chad) because the thought of anything sexual with another guy grosses them out. Crazy concept, right?

She has very little sexual history, very close to her family, and drinks very very sparingly. She would be a 6-7/10 on most days, but can look about an 8-8.5 when we attend fancy events or weddings. I don't need her to look super hot. That's what side bitches are for.

Our sex life is very vanilla, and the frequency averages out to about 2x a month. I don't pressure her to do it anymore than that, and I usually get it often outside of the relationship.

Now if your lifestyle involved fucking sluts and bad girls, you'll probably have to keep doing it on the side to satisfy your sexual appetite. I always believed that the alpha male goal was to have the sweet, loyal girl at home, while letting those 20 year old sluts keep things exciting for us outside of the home.

[Travesty]

(09-24-2016 05:25 PM)articulatecool Wrote:  

The qualities you are looking for in a good girl are qualities I see in my main significant other. These types of women make great long term partners and are literally loyal to you through thick and thin. You won't have to worry about other guys making passes at them (even Chad) because the thought of anything sexual with another guy grosses them out. Crazy concept, right?

She has very little sexual history, very close to her family, and drinks very very sparingly. She would be a 6-7/10 on most days, but can look about an 8-8.5 when we attend fancy events or weddings. I don't need her to look super hot. That's what side bitches are for.

Our sex life is very vanilla, and the frequency averages out to about 2x a month. I don't pressure her to do it anymore than that, and I usually get it often outside of the relationship.

Now if your lifestyle involved fucking sluts and bad girls, you'll probably have to keep doing it on the side to satisfy your sexual appetite. I always believed that the alpha male goal was to have the sweet, loyal girl at home, while letting those 20 year old sluts keep things exciting for us outside of the home.

You crazy man, the interesting kinda crazy. Don't know how you can peddle a relationship that has sex 1x every 2 weeks. I get it though.

Hats off if you can constantly have side pieces going.

[articulatecool]

(09-24-2016 05:39 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

You crazy man, the interesting kinda crazy. Don't know how you can peddle a relationship that has sex 1x every 2 weeks. I get it though.

Hats off if you can constantly have side pieces going.

It is one of the downfalls of being with "good" girl....well with mine, at least.

I'd like to think its all worth it...for now lol

[Kinko]

I was at church today. Its a Christian mega church with all that Christian rock and roll. I hate that music by the way. Its a 95% white church.

It was frustrating today. The single women tend to turn their backs on me if they are near. There are more married couples then anything. If they are female volunteers and Im getting info about the church services I have noticed that the married women start conversations with "My Husband...". It really does not matter what the conversation is about, I could ask where are the restrooms and it always begins with "My Husband" and they flash their wedding bands.

I talked with several older guys who were kind of cool, and then some of the younger guys who work for the church are more high strung and they have some churchy and unlikable arrogance to them that comes out of no where, so they must know lots of people there.

I have done church groups and its mostly older or married women flashing their wedding rings at me and their husbands are in tow with their arms crossed giving off tons of disinterested and defensive body language cues.

Really I am not even hitting on women at all, but in this small city, if you talk with a women for almost any reason it is often regarded as hitting on them. Yeah its like a mine field out there.

However I did have a younger women start flirting with me, she was a looker, and after a couple minutes of chatting with her, out came the wedding ring and then within seconds her husband and her kid appeared next us, and he started mate guarding. He looked pissed at me, I said look we are just talking, I'm not hitting on you wife in a church. So he made the conversation overly aggressive before cutting out with his family to listen to the service. He was a hot headed and jealous type. He was shorter then his wife and Im taller, perhaps that mattered. It was like he wanted to tear my head off but it was in the middle of the church hall with hundreds of people, everybody socializing sipping coffee. So I learned to be more careful.

The whole church single guy in church thing is made difficult on purpose? I am a healthy person, but will never be able to pull off that vanilla and hunky-dory style of a neat and perfect Christian stuff. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but I am light years away from being as sheltered as most of the younger people at this church.

Also it seems like I am seeing patterns with church staff being trained to seperate single men from single women... Any advice here for me?

[Travesty]

We've warned before that mega church new age Christianity is not the best. It attracts attention whores, born agains, and status signaling.

I grew up Catholic. They are more plain there isn't as much showing off. Beyond this Catholics or Orthdox usually come from the same cultural heritages. Many Catholic churches are all Polish, Irish, German, and Italian mixed or full ancestry with little outside those heritages in the Midwest. Other places it is all Mexican etc... There is a common bond just in the familiarity. If you go to more diverse areas you start adding in Vietnamese, Filipinos, and a couple Koreans.

Those mega churches seem to attract Protestants that lost religion and their way in life, it attracts people that have large problems in life they didn't know how to answer, rather than being born into it by tradition and lineage.

I mean c'mon they advertise by holding masses in places like baseball stadiums with telephone numbers to donate with cheesy suits and greased hair. Or the opposite they act like the "cool dad type" that plays electric guitar with a fedora like some overgrown teenager, then they tell stories how they were a lost bad boy that got reformed.... yes exactly who you want leading you in God's eyes.

If you look around your Church and there are a couple of guys with sleeve tattoos on both arms that are straight edge and talk about Jesus all the time you may as well be in a gigantic AA meeting.

[robreke]

(09-25-2016 03:43 PM)Kinko Wrote:  

However I did have a younger women start flirting with me, she was a looker, and after a couple minutes of chatting with her, out came the wedding ring and then within seconds her husband and her kid appeared next us, and he started mate guarding. He looked pissed at me, I said look we are just talking, I'm not hitting on you wife in a church. So he made the conversation overly aggressive before cutting out with his family to listen to the service.

In these situations when you're unknowingly talking to a guy's woman and then the guy walks up, I wouldn't say something overt like you said. Why acknowledge it b saying "look I wasn't hitting on your wife." ? That usually just causes more drama and anger.

In those situations barely acknowledge the guy or give a slightly polite smile and nod and continue talking with the lady about what we were talking about as if it were the most innocent of conversations from the get go. Most of the time, the woman will either tell the husband what you two were talking about or they will excuse themselves. The guy will often rationalize that you were indeed interested in what aisle the peanut butter is on, or in the case of a church conversation, where the restroom is.

No need to be so overt when the man walks up. Just play it off lightly and move on or let them move on.

[Kid Twist]

(09-25-2016 05:20 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

We've warned before that mega church new age Christianity is not the best. It attracts attention whores, born agains, and status signaling.

I grew up Catholic. They are more plain there isn't as much showing off. Beyond this Catholics or Orthdox usually come from the same cultural heritages. Many Catholic churches are all Polish, Irish, German, and Italian mixed or full ancestry with little outside those heritages in the Midwest. Other places it is all Mexican etc... There is a common bond just in the familiarity. If you go to more diverse areas you start adding in Vietnamese, Filipinos, and a couple Koreans.

Those mega churches seem to attract Protestants that lost religion and their way in life, it attracts people that have large problems in life they didn't know how to answer, rather than being born into it by tradition and lineage.

I mean c'mon they advertise by holding masses in places like baseball stadiums with telephone numbers to donate with cheesy suits and greased hair. Or the opposite they act like the "cool dad type" that plays electric guitar with a fedora like some overgrown teenager, then they tell stories how they were a lost bad boy that got reformed.... yes exactly who you want leading you in God's eyes.

If you look around your Church and there are a couple of guys with sleeve tattoos on both arms that are straight edge and talk about Jesus all the time you may as well be in a gigantic AA meeting.

Kinko, Read Travesty's post above, twice.

As you may know from my other posts I'm EO, and as such not only do I have a great idea of the problems of western christianity, but particularly the problems in this culture and its conception of individualism, sin and its view of God. What's more, like Travesty, I've met a lot of these types along the way, and while some are devoted people (and I don't know their history or skeletons), most I've met are also abused, abusive or AA types.

They are suckers for the idea and the religious impulse that comes with it, being mentally redeemed, and thinking some single point in their life "saved them", as if life isn't an ongoing, uncertain struggle that we deal with in hope of something better.

Then they rock out to guitars as if in a concert ... and follow guys like Osteen? Like a famous russian said, the west goes to church and has a "concert and a lecture."

[Kinko]

Solid advice... I will post back if anything new develops...

[Thoroughbred]

(09-21-2016 11:21 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

If you can get a looker then great, but don't forget that it might be more important to look for someone that will age well.

I would also add this. Try to find someone who's healthy. I know this sounds odd, but a lot of women have genetic conditions that can make life extremely difficult for you and your family, and often this is not the sort of information that comes up in a date setting.

Seriously.

Also, seriously, find someone that's happy. And by happy I don't mean "she perks up while she's around me". You really need to try and watch her in her typical environment. I personally would go with a happy 6 over a flatline 7 or a grumpy 8. The trap most guys fall into is that they think "if the woman is happy around me and I'm always around then she'll always be happy" but it's called the honeymoon period for a reason.

Probably this is shit you already know, but it warrants a mention.

To me these are the two most important long term selectors when identifying a long term mate.

A lot is being said of looks and sexual experience, but nothing about what is being aimed for by focusing on these two factors: Sexual compatibility.

You want a woman that is attractive, as it can indicate a higher quality sexual experience. You want a woman with less mileage as is can indicate a lower quality sexual experience (along with other factors, like bonding, etc).

Neither is a given, and my experience has show me that it's hard to isolate for sexual compatibility. She likely wont be the hottest girl you've had, or the one with the lowest body count.

I just thought there was good and bad sex, and girls who were good and bad at it. Then I was with a girl for a year and a half with who I had and extreme amount of sexual compatibility with. It's got nothing to do with acrobatics or any adventurous shit, just two bodies being in tune and on time.

It was good and bad. It did show me what was possible, but it is also now the metric I use to line up other partners.

Tough act to follow.

[idane]

(09-24-2016 09:58 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

It's all just weighing risks and benefits in the end.
I would summarise as follows (and these are just my opinion):
American/British: fat, entitled, ugly, masculine, easy to bang(low quality), can't cook, high chance of divorce rape
Russian: slim, pleasant, hot, feminine, relatively easy to bang, can't cook, high chance of divorce rape
Armenian/Georgian: slim, pleasant, reasonable looks, feminine, hard to bang, good cooking, loyal
Italian: slim, entitled, kind of frumpy because sausagefest drives down availability, hard to bang, good cooking, loyal

Clearly you're better off wife hunting anywhere but the US, but depending on what your priorities are, Russia might not be the ideal place either.

Very interesting. Have a look at the list in this one which somewhat mimics what you have already posted above:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography

The link can probably be used for wife hunting, prowling for good girls as well.

However, I am puzzled about the huge difference between Italy and Spain/Portugal. I always thought that strong catholic societies would call for stable marriages, but not in Spain and Portugal (which both are catholic and in the same region with somewhat the same heritage).

Maybe somebody can explain why Chile has the lowest overall divorce rate?

[DaveR]

(09-26-2016 12:09 AM)idane Wrote:  

However, I am puzzled about the huge difference between Italy and Spain/Portugal. I always thought that strong catholic societies would call for stable marriages, but not in Spain and Portugal (which both are catholic and in the same region with somewhat the same heritage).

I don't really know why, but Italy is much more conservative and the Church has a lot more power there. Maybe due to Spain's long run under fascist rule. Spain today isn't conservative at all. It's one of the most popular destinations for faggots, and they were one of the first to introduce faggot-marriages. Barcelona is full of skateboards and marijuana culture.

(09-26-2016 12:09 AM)idane Wrote:  

Maybe somebody can explain why Chile has the lowest overall divorce rate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_la...ntry#Chile

Quote:

Chile legalized divorce in 2004, overturning an 1884 legal code.

[N°6]

(09-26-2016 04:53 AM)DaveR Wrote:  

(09-26-2016 12:09 AM)idane Wrote:  

However, I am puzzled about the huge difference between Italy and Spain/Portugal. I always thought that strong catholic societies would call for stable marriages, but not in Spain and Portugal (which both are catholic and in the same region with somewhat the same heritage).

I don't really know why, but Italy is much more conservative and the Church has a lot more power there. Maybe due to Spain's long run under fascist rule. Spain today isn't conservative at all. It's one of the most popular destinations for faggots, and they were one of the first to introduce faggot-marriages. Barcelona is full of skateboards and marijuana culture.

(09-26-2016 12:09 AM)idane Wrote:  

Maybe somebody can explain why Chile has the lowest overall divorce rate?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_la...ntry#Chile

Quote:

Chile legalized divorce in 2004, overturning an 1884 legal code.

The strong SJW element in Spain comes from the Republican tradition which is at its strongest in Barcelona.

This SJW tradition comes more from Trotsky than Lenin or Stalin which is why Stalin was lukewarm in his support of the Republic.

[Kinko]

I was at the Christian mega church again tonight. The place treats single people like they are a disease. Its like single people are defective.

I suspect married women train non married women to wear the wedding rings to bring an image that everyone is married in order to thwart single men away. Something literally that sick and twisted and pointless is occurring at this church.

Who knows I could be wrong but the mear gut instinct that something is wrong like that is enough. Being near the older married women who are in charge of everything is a vibe of mental illness and a hatred of youth too. Sure we have classes and learning going on, it is staged that way, but the over riding agenda of these old married hens is to make sure single men stay single.

Sad

[rudebwoy]

(09-21-2016 11:21 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

If you can get a looker then great, but don't forget that it might be more important to look for someone that will age well.

I would also add this. Try to find someone who's healthy. I know this sounds odd, but a lot of women have genetic conditions that can make life extremely difficult for you and your family, and often this is not the sort of information that comes up in a date setting.

Seriously.

Also, seriously, find someone that's happy. And by happy I don't mean "she perks up while she's around me". You really need to try and watch her in her typical environment. I personally would go with a happy 6 over a flatline 7 or a grumpy 8. The trap most guys fall into is that they think "if the woman is happy around me and I'm always around then she'll always be happy" but it's called the honeymoon period for a reason.

Probably this is shit you already know, but it warrants a mention.

Plus one from me mate, this is gold or platinum.

[Comendador]

I suggest you going To a smaller church. Might be obvious but I used To go To a small one. My advice is that you befriend ONE young male. He will introduce you To the rest of the Crew. You will than be introduced To the ladies naturally and - this one is the trick - church goers usually just hang out with church goers. You will get To know people from other churches maximizing your chances To find a good girl. Just be aware of the church sluts like the guys already said!

[Comendador]

A question: would you pay more attention to the advises of your father or from your mother in relation to your girl? They have sometimes different perspectives... But both want the best for you.