[General Stalin]

(08-20-2016 01:52 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

Yet.
But I don't watch soccer, so I don't care. I don't watch any woman's sports, unless you count the cooking show with that italian broad with the huge cans on the food network. Giada something.

[Chevy Woonsocket]

(08-20-2016 01:52 PM)spokepoker Wrote:  

Yet.
But I don't watch soccer, so I don't care. I don't watch any woman's sports, unless you count the cooking show with that italian broad with the huge cans on the food network. Giada something.

I agree. Sports where women get physical with each other are revolting. Women fighting is not entertaining at all, and in most cases downright ugly.

[ElFlaco]

I remember how USATF reacted when Semenya first came on the scene internationally. They couldn't see clearly how the transgender/intersex thing would ultimately crush women's sports. Not too many individual female athletes wanted to make a stand in public and risk looking bigoted.

(08-20-2016 05:52 AM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

If training seriously for 800m with full time training across the year and a dedicated coach it wouldn't be too hard to break the current women's world record which was done on steroids in the 80s.

I'd like to think that "wouldn't be too hard" is a bit of an exaggeration. In my early forties I surpassed the US women's record for 800m for women over forty, which is 2:07. Great coaching + being my main focus in life for two years, but not easy. You have to have some talent as well. The average high school boy couldn't break 2:00 minutes no matter what their dedication. The middle-distance guys on the track team, yes, but that's a select group.

Running the 800 meters is a blast. If the field is competitive (= well-matched), you have to be able to run while being bumped around, know how to position yourself so you don't get boxed in at the wrong time, know when and when not to lead, tactical considerations. You have to learn to manage intense but brief discomfort. The key to racing this distance is to convince your mind that it's actually 600 meters, then just try to hang on after that, hold your position and/or pick off runners. Some guys train for the 800 primarily like a sprint, some like a distance race, but most probably do a mix of both.

[911]

[Mrredsquare]

Bbc commentator said "she's in a class of her own" yeah it's called fucking male.

[brick tamland]

I'm appalled that Caster is allowed to compete against women, when it has been reported that she has 3 times the testosterone levels of the average female & she has internal testes (AND no womb or ovaries).

She might be my compatriot but I have no sympathy.
This is an issue about ethics and there have been failures all round, primarily arising from the desperation in some quarters for South Africa to have a gold medal contender at these games, to bump up the medal haul, and to have a world class competitor in other competitions outside of the Games.

All in all I wonder where all this will lead in light of the reality of achieving success in the Olympics - a look at the medal haul table shows developed nations dominate. Will lesser nations begin scouring for hermaphrodites to compete in the women's divisions.

By the way I haven't followed either these Games or any recent Games or soccer world cup in over 10 years.

Edit - in the gold medal race, the women who finished in places 2, 3 and 4 were quiet close to each other. This was the true race for what it's worth.

[General Stalin]

I'm just going to go ahead and say it - I don't know why the fuck we even have gender-segregated Olympic events at all. Isn't the point of the Olympics to see who is the best in the world? If the lowest ranking men are beating out the highest ranking women in standings then why are women even competing in the games? Just like normal everyday spectator sports, who the hell even cares about lesser physically capable people competing? This isn't even some sexists "us vs. them" statement - it supposed to be a competition for the best. If anything all events should be mixed gender. Men, women, trannies, demi-queer otherkin, whoever the fuck can be competitive at the elite Olympic level.

[LeeEnfield303]

I'll go ahead and say it - I don't know why the fuck we still have the Olympics at all.

[kosko]

(08-21-2016 04:34 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

I'm just going to go ahead and say it - I don't know why the fuck we even have gender-segregated Olympic events at all. Isn't the point of the Olympics to see who is the best in the world? If the lowest ranking men are beating out the highest ranking women in standings then why are women even competing in the games? Just like normal everyday spectator sports, who the hell even cares about lesser physically capable people competing? This isn't even some sexists "us vs. them" statement - it supposed to be a competition for the best. If anything all events should be mixed gender. Men, women, trannies, demi-queer otherkin, whoever the fuck can be competitive at the elite Olympic level.

Women's sport does offer some value.

For example for the average male they have more in common with a high level female athlete.

I will use golf as an example.

Many men who have a good game can hit the ball at the same levels as top level female golf players. They more or less from a power and touch standpoint are the same. But the female golf player's game is more refined due to craft development and more time invested. The male can actually learn more from a top level female golf player on how they approach a shot versus a top level male golf player who plays in a video game compared to the average person.

The market understands this. You go to Arizona and other golf hotbeds and high level women players are some of the better coaches to good (non pro) men. A man with a good game who wants to level up can learn more from a elite woman at golf because of the comparable. Skills are much more easy to pick up on because she is approaching the course the same way you would.

Since women lack physical strength more times then not in sport there fundamentals are more strong as they need that to rely on more versus pure athletic prowress.

Tennis
Golf

All sports where women need fundamentals to be sound to perform.

There is value in that for men. I don't mind watching women tennis for that exact reason. Sometimes it is good to see the game beyond the serve and the women deliver that more then the men do.

Plus from a gender/sex standpoint I enjoy the Olympics because it segregates men and women as it should be. I can enjoy watching a woman perform well at her craft if she is competing vs herself or other women.

Women get into trouble when they have to compete with men. Then they need a "boost" or a "leg up" or for men to be held back or cut down so they can be at the same level. When women just compete with women the best emerge, and performances are exceptional. The 4 x 400m relay for example was such an exceptional race by the women. I am still in shock over it and how well technically the USA women ran. This isn't a girl vs boy thing here that was top quality running and I appreciated every second of being able to watch it. Felix is a once in a generation type runner. We need more women like her versus robot freaks like that tranny from South Africa who had a damn budge in the tights.

Like it isn't a joke. After that South Africa tranny won the 800m no women wanted to give her props. They all knew the con-game. The woman from Mozambique who got silver was damn happy as she knew it was a rigged race she is more or less in first place.

[General Stalin]

Good analysis but I still disagree at least especially in the case of the Olympics. Individual sports and athletics leagues can have whatever niche and subculture they like, but the Olympics is supposed to be the sort of be-all-end-all of physical prowess and athletic skill. The medals get awarded to the best individuals in the world in their respective sport.

Case in point, if you can skew rules to have gender-bending she-men take advantage of handicapped leagues (Women's leagues) then the system is broken.

[TooFineAPoint]

(08-21-2016 06:36 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Women's sport does offer some value.

For example for the average male they have more in common with a high level female athlete.

I will use golf as an example.

Many men who have a good game can hit the ball at the same levels as top level female golf players. They more or less from a power and touch standpoint are the same. But the female golf player's game is more refined due to craft development and more time invested. The male can actually learn more from a top level female golf player on how they approach a shot versus a top level male golf player who plays in a video game compared to the average person.

The market understands this. You go to Arizona and other golf hotbeds and high level women players are some of the better coaches to good (non pro) men. A man with a good game who wants to level up can learn more from a elite woman at golf because of the comparable. Skills are much more easy to pick up on because she is approaching the course the same way you would.

Since women lack physical strength more times then not in sport there fundamentals are more strong as they need that to rely on more versus pure athletic prowress.

Tennis
Golf

All sports where women need fundamentals to be sound to perform.

There is value in that for men. I don't mind watching women tennis for that exact reason. Sometimes it is good to see the game beyond the serve and the women deliver that more then the men do.

Awesome counterpoint.

I can't stand watching women's tennis, but you have given me something new to consider.

However, beyond the physical specimen type of pleasure of the men's game, it is also the mental strength that is great (at the top of the rankings). When watching the women, they are always one bad moment from full emotional meltdown (so it seems). When the male players exhibit this they are rightfully castigated as headcases and chokers, and it is infuriating to watch the talented chokers.

[Skull_Leader]

Yeah, well women's athletics is bullshit anyways. Most of them are bested by 12 year old boys. Why not just focus on competition between the "Best of the best" instead of "They're pretty good...for women..."

Edit: lol General Stalin already said this better than I did...

[Matsufubu]

I think that by 2050 we could see a men, women, and trans categories at the Olympics. If trannies can compete with women it will ruin the sport, and after humiliation after humiliation women will petition to have a 'trans' class added so they don't have to compete with them. This trans class will deliver results in between the men and women, and be ultimately pointless. But it'll exist, because it's the current year.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-21-2016 06:36 PM)kosko Wrote:  

Women get into trouble when they have to compete with men. Then they need a "boost" or a "leg up" or for men to be held back or cut down so they can be at the same level. When women just compete with women the best emerge, and performances are exceptional. The 4 x 400m relay for example was such an exceptional race by the women. I am still in shock over it and how well technically the USA women ran. This isn't a girl vs boy thing here that was top quality running and I appreciated every second of being able to watch it. Felix is a once in a generation type runner. We need more women like her versus robot freaks like that tranny from South Africa who had a damn budge in the tights.

Like it isn't a joke. After that South Africa tranny won the 800m no women wanted to give her props. They all knew the con-game. The woman from Mozambique who got silver was damn happy as she knew it was a rigged race she is more or less in first place.

Nonsense comrade - you need to realize that women just cannot compete with men because they haven't been taught and trained since childhood like a man. It's culture and sexism:

Here CNN arguing that women fail at Marines qualification because their lack of push-up skill is cultural. Men train them to be buff and women don't.

Comrade Kosko - you should immediatelly enroll in a social justice reeducation class at your nearest college.

For now repeat after me: "Women have identical upper body strength. Women are even more capable than men because they can have children and are much better at anything, if the evil patriarchy and internalized misogyny did not put them down so much. The entire Navy Seals and Marine corps would be 99% women if Jezebel eradicated sexism."

Comrades - our beloved Chairman Hillary will show us the way soon:



When Chairman Hillary takes over from the blessed gay bi-racial man, then the US can replace all male contesters with women, let them claim to be men and then wait for the gold medals to roll in.

[Suits]

(08-22-2016 01:53 AM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

I think that by 2050 we could see a men, women, and trans categories at the Olympics. If trannies can compete with women it will ruin the sport, and after humiliation after humiliation women will petition to have a 'trans' class added so they don't have to compete with them. This trans class will deliver results in between the men and women, and be ultimately pointless. But it'll exist, because it's the current year.

There's a simple solution. Since gender is only a construct and sex is a spectrum, we shouldn't be putting people into neat boxes anyway.

Let's have everyone compete together for one set of medals, as people.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-22-2016 06:47 AM)Suits Wrote:  

(08-22-2016 01:53 AM)Matsufubu Wrote:  

I think that by 2050 we could see a men, women, and trans categories at the Olympics. If trannies can compete with women it will ruin the sport, and after humiliation after humiliation women will petition to have a 'trans' class added so they don't have to compete with them. This trans class will deliver results in between the men and women, and be ultimately pointless. But it'll exist, because it's the current year.

There's a simple solution. Since gender is only a construct and sex is a spectrum, we shouldn't be putting people into neat boxes anyway.

Let's have everyone compete together for one set of medals, as people.

Comrade Suits - well done - excellent logical thinking. Comrade Suits will be rewarded with an extra butter ration cards this week for his rightthink words.

[StrikeBack]

What I've noticed is that female athletes are against this tranny infiltration of their Sports, but the assorted feminist and sjw weirdos who have never played any sport in their pathetic lives are all for it. Feminists are exceptional at ruining all good things for women!

[RexImperator]

This kind of happened before with a German high jumper in the 1930's named Dora (née Heinrich) Ratjen.

[Kona]

Why would her parents name her Caster if she's got balls problems? Or change her name later in life?

Can you imagine how many castration jokes she's put up with?

She wins a race, the other people got "Caster-ated."

Just give your kids normal names in case they wind up with something wrong.

Aloha!

[Captainstabbin]

(08-20-2016 04:53 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

I know men who look more feminine than this bloke-woman.

That thing make an average Thai ladyboy look like Emily Ratajkowski.

The Williams sisters are in the same boat.

[roberto]

WNBIAMODS (would not bang in a month of dry sundays)

In other news, the cute Polish girl who finished 5th says she feels 'like a silver medallist'

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/olymp...03731.html

[Matsufubu]

When I see the words 'Caster Semenya' all I can think of is the cry at the start of the Circle of Life song from The Lion King

[AquilonBE]

(08-20-2016 10:56 AM)Space Cowboy Wrote:  

There's another Kenyan in the 800m that I want investigated

Margaret "Juwanna Man" Wambui

Seems all three medalists are high-T "women" and no it's no coincidence, middle-distance it seems is where a man's power gives the biggest advantage.
http://www.runnersworld.com/olympics/why...e-olympics

Quote:

Semenya won the 400, 800, and 1500 at the South African National Championships, all within a four-hour period. She has continued running fast in the following months, and is favored to win the 800 in the Olympics. On July 15 in Monaco, she ran the fastest time of her life, 1:55.33, closely followed by Burundi’s Francine Niyonsaba, who also set a personal record and is also believed by some to be a high-T woman. Kenya's Margaret Wambui might fall into the same category. Like Semenya, Niyonsaba and Wambui are muscular, flat-chested, fast, and produced world-class performances very early in their track careers. Thus far in 2016, Semenya and Niyonsaba have run the five fastest 800s of the year.

No one knows why the 800 seems to have become the event in which intersex women are most dominant. One suggestion: The sprints require a certain amount of technique and specialized coaching, not readily available to athletes from developing countries, whereas an 800-meter runner can rely more on raw power.

[911]

That above is not a high T woman, it is a man. Smart of him not to wear a more revealing shirt that would show he has a man's waist and indent point.

[UncleSam]

Eyebleach