Hello All,
StarcraftGG here back to provide some up to date intel from my favorite place in the world: Cali, Colombia. Now that Starcraft: Legacy of the Void and Street Fighter V have been out for a while, I’ve emerged from my basement to actually do some gaming of a different kind.
Online dating is something that I strongly encourage that everyone coming to Cali try out. A little about me: my first exposure to game was 10 years ago with Neil Strauss’s the Game. Shortly after, I took a RSD bootcamp which changed my life. I put in a good 3 years of consistent effort to get game fundamentals down, and I’ve been coasting since with a definite decline in overall ability due to long periods of inactivity due to the abundance of good video games available. There’s nothing really good about my game – I rarely cold approach, and have lost the killer instinct that I used to have, but the one thing that I still have going is that after physically meeting a girl, I lead well, escalate, am fearless, am outcome independent, and I plow ahead with the goal in mind, and due to past practice and ingrained habits, I just don’t fuck things up like a needy nervous beta AFC. I am a closer still – that has not gone away despite me being rusty and unpolished. I’m sharing this because I think that on average, I am worse than most people on the forum and I got what I felt were decent results. People reading this should expect to have much better results – especially if they avoid making the mistakes I made with online dating. A special word of encouragement to newbie travelers and people new to looking to improve with women: traveling and game has changed my life so much for the better it is indescribable. If you are still thinking about your first trip or thinking about whether to actively try to get better with women, stop thinking and just go for both.
A little more about myself: I have 0 experience with online dating. I signed up for ColombianCupid in Cali years ago but I can’t remember what I did with it since I was so busy with other opportunities. In one of the major metropolitan cities of the USA, I have tinder account with the same photos I used in Colombia, and have gotten 0 matches in half a year. Same with OK Cupid which I signed up for the first time this year. I sent 45 messages mainly to Latinas and got 0 responses . I am short and do not lie about my height in profiles. I am skinny without any muscle and my pictures show it. Also, my pictures are bad – I have one that is decent, one shows me smiling like a doofus, and another is OK. On the looks scale, I am a 5 to a 6, maaaybe a 6.5 on my best day dressed very well to a tiny percentage of girls. I have nothing going on in the looks department. Finally, my race is generally considered to be undesirable. If I didn’t have game I would never get laid in the US – especially not with online dating. If you’re white, or Latino, have some muscles, and are near average height for a Caucasian, you’ll do a lot better than I did in Cali, Colombia. My Spanish is shit. When I need to speak, I can generally get my point across, but I don’t understand most of what is said to me.
On to the stats. I tried using 2 sites: Tinder, and OKCupid. On Tinder, I swiped right on 150-200 girls, and got 1 match – it sucks to be ugly. From that one match, I got her whatsapp, chatted a bit, and then when I tried to go for the meetup, I got ignored.
ColombianCupid.com is the site where I actually got results, so let’s break it down. I was lying in a hammock in Cali watching anime when I came across an article by Kyle from ThisIsTrouble.com: http://thisistrouble.com/2016/03/17/colo...id-review/
I was bored so I figured why not give it a try, so I signed up for a gold $29.98 membership for one month.
Over the course of a week, I sent 122 messages to girls which I found physically attractive (score 7 and up). I used the exact opener that Kyle recommended: Hola, soy StarcraftGG de ____. Habla usted Ingles?
43 of my messages were never opened. 35 were opened but the girls did not reply. This leaves 44 girls which did reply, which is a response rate of 36%: much better than the 0% I had in OKCupid in The States. This is half the 70% response rate that Kyle claims he received in his article, which makes sense because I’m kinda ugly.
Of the 44 girls that replied, I replied back to 40. For my first 15 replies, I tried doing what Kyle told me by replying back with “Tienes Whatsapp” to ask them for their number. Of those 15 that I asked for the number right away, 4 replied with a number while the other 11 ignored me. I think that because with pretty bad photos and me not being a stunner to begin with, I didn’t have enough value to do what Kyle which was get girls interested enough with just his photos for them to send over the digits. For those 4 girls, I took the conversation to WhatsApp, and things died quickly without ever getting to a date.
With the remaining 25 girls that responded to my opening message that I did not yet reply to,, I decided to switch it up and add some value first before going for the digits. I read through all their profiles and when there was something interesting in there to comment on such as a photo or interest, I commented on it. For the majority however, I made a self-deprecating joke about my Spanish struggles in an attempt to get them to laugh and start a conversation, and to also get them to expect that my real life Spanish is crap. Once the conversation was flowing a bit, I then asked for the digits. This resulted in another 12 numbers. The first of these numbers that I got I went on a lunch date with and got the same day bang. Of the remaining 11, 5 of the conversations either went nowhere or they did not reply to my WhatsApp message. 6 resulted in good WhatsApp exchanges with eager girls which I project would have gotten me 5 dates, and probably 4 bangs eventually (I ran out of time in Cali).
After going through this wonderful experiment, if I had to do it again, I think it would look like the following: I would message new X girls (call it 100). 36% would reply. Instead of going for the digits right away, I would make a joke first or get a conversation going. This would result in 50% of them giving me the number eventually, leaving me with 18 numbers. 58% of the numbers would lead to good conversations (approximately 11), which would have led to approximately 9 dates, and then about 6 bangs. With everything remaining constant (no working out, same bad photos, same opener), I believe I could get laid with 6% of the girls that I message. Not bad at all in my opinion. In the USA, the percentage was at 0% replies – I never even got off the ground.
Obviously, this isn’t an enormous sample size but it gives you a good idea of what can be achieved with some game, and with the aforementioned physical disadvantages. I trust that most people will do better.
Tips and Insights:
1. Get Whatsapp on your phone to communicate with girls. This means having a data plan. I have T Mobile with free international roaming data which I find to be very useful. Everyone else should bring a cheap unlocked phone and sign up for a plan here. Again, I recommend cheap because thieves target foreigners here for their phones and if you don’t give it up they will shoot you. Make sure you are willing to lose your phone.
2.Start messaging girls 2 weeks before you arrive. I didn’t really care, but I started the experiment with 2.5 weeks left on my stay in Cali and I didn’t get my first date and bang until my last night. Only after I was gone things really started to pick up. It takes time to message all the girls, time for them to reply, time to chat a bit on Cupid, time to chat a bit on Whatsapp, time to set a date, time to go on the date, time time time time time.
3.LatinAmericanCupid.com is another site with an amount of active Colombianas approximately equal to ColombianCupid. I will sign up for both next time.
4.Pay for stuff – a lot of these girls are super broke, as are many Colombians in general. They will appreciate it.
5.Competition from other foreigners in Cali is LOW. Most of the male tourists are from Germany or other Scandinavian countries with no game, and are broke backpackers that wear shorts and generally look like crap, and do not approach. You stand out by having decent shoes (or sneakers), a pair of slacks or jeans (no shorts), and a collared shirt (polos count), or by having a good physique with a form fitting shirt.
6.White guys have an advantage here – take advantage of it!
My Other Cali Datasheets:
thread-19152.html
thread-34998.html
I’m sure I’ll be writing more about Cali again the future when I go back. Until then, I will be dishing out the pain to newbs in Street Fighter V through liberal servings of spinning pile drivers from Zangief.
Good Luck, Have Fun, and GG!
StarcraftGG here back to provide some up to date intel from my favorite place in the world: Cali, Colombia. Now that Starcraft: Legacy of the Void and Street Fighter V have been out for a while, I’ve emerged from my basement to actually do some gaming of a different kind.
Online dating is something that I strongly encourage that everyone coming to Cali try out. A little about me: my first exposure to game was 10 years ago with Neil Strauss’s the Game. Shortly after, I took a RSD bootcamp which changed my life. I put in a good 3 years of consistent effort to get game fundamentals down, and I’ve been coasting since with a definite decline in overall ability due to long periods of inactivity due to the abundance of good video games available. There’s nothing really good about my game – I rarely cold approach, and have lost the killer instinct that I used to have, but the one thing that I still have going is that after physically meeting a girl, I lead well, escalate, am fearless, am outcome independent, and I plow ahead with the goal in mind, and due to past practice and ingrained habits, I just don’t fuck things up like a needy nervous beta AFC. I am a closer still – that has not gone away despite me being rusty and unpolished. I’m sharing this because I think that on average, I am worse than most people on the forum and I got what I felt were decent results. People reading this should expect to have much better results – especially if they avoid making the mistakes I made with online dating. A special word of encouragement to newbie travelers and people new to looking to improve with women: traveling and game has changed my life so much for the better it is indescribable. If you are still thinking about your first trip or thinking about whether to actively try to get better with women, stop thinking and just go for both.
A little more about myself: I have 0 experience with online dating. I signed up for ColombianCupid in Cali years ago but I can’t remember what I did with it since I was so busy with other opportunities. In one of the major metropolitan cities of the USA, I have tinder account with the same photos I used in Colombia, and have gotten 0 matches in half a year. Same with OK Cupid which I signed up for the first time this year. I sent 45 messages mainly to Latinas and got 0 responses . I am short and do not lie about my height in profiles. I am skinny without any muscle and my pictures show it. Also, my pictures are bad – I have one that is decent, one shows me smiling like a doofus, and another is OK. On the looks scale, I am a 5 to a 6, maaaybe a 6.5 on my best day dressed very well to a tiny percentage of girls. I have nothing going on in the looks department. Finally, my race is generally considered to be undesirable. If I didn’t have game I would never get laid in the US – especially not with online dating. If you’re white, or Latino, have some muscles, and are near average height for a Caucasian, you’ll do a lot better than I did in Cali, Colombia. My Spanish is shit. When I need to speak, I can generally get my point across, but I don’t understand most of what is said to me.
On to the stats. I tried using 2 sites: Tinder, and OKCupid. On Tinder, I swiped right on 150-200 girls, and got 1 match – it sucks to be ugly. From that one match, I got her whatsapp, chatted a bit, and then when I tried to go for the meetup, I got ignored.
ColombianCupid.com is the site where I actually got results, so let’s break it down. I was lying in a hammock in Cali watching anime when I came across an article by Kyle from ThisIsTrouble.com: http://thisistrouble.com/2016/03/17/colo...id-review/
I was bored so I figured why not give it a try, so I signed up for a gold $29.98 membership for one month.
Over the course of a week, I sent 122 messages to girls which I found physically attractive (score 7 and up). I used the exact opener that Kyle recommended: Hola, soy StarcraftGG de ____. Habla usted Ingles?
43 of my messages were never opened. 35 were opened but the girls did not reply. This leaves 44 girls which did reply, which is a response rate of 36%: much better than the 0% I had in OKCupid in The States. This is half the 70% response rate that Kyle claims he received in his article, which makes sense because I’m kinda ugly.
Of the 44 girls that replied, I replied back to 40. For my first 15 replies, I tried doing what Kyle told me by replying back with “Tienes Whatsapp” to ask them for their number. Of those 15 that I asked for the number right away, 4 replied with a number while the other 11 ignored me. I think that because with pretty bad photos and me not being a stunner to begin with, I didn’t have enough value to do what Kyle which was get girls interested enough with just his photos for them to send over the digits. For those 4 girls, I took the conversation to WhatsApp, and things died quickly without ever getting to a date.
With the remaining 25 girls that responded to my opening message that I did not yet reply to,, I decided to switch it up and add some value first before going for the digits. I read through all their profiles and when there was something interesting in there to comment on such as a photo or interest, I commented on it. For the majority however, I made a self-deprecating joke about my Spanish struggles in an attempt to get them to laugh and start a conversation, and to also get them to expect that my real life Spanish is crap. Once the conversation was flowing a bit, I then asked for the digits. This resulted in another 12 numbers. The first of these numbers that I got I went on a lunch date with and got the same day bang. Of the remaining 11, 5 of the conversations either went nowhere or they did not reply to my WhatsApp message. 6 resulted in good WhatsApp exchanges with eager girls which I project would have gotten me 5 dates, and probably 4 bangs eventually (I ran out of time in Cali).
After going through this wonderful experiment, if I had to do it again, I think it would look like the following: I would message new X girls (call it 100). 36% would reply. Instead of going for the digits right away, I would make a joke first or get a conversation going. This would result in 50% of them giving me the number eventually, leaving me with 18 numbers. 58% of the numbers would lead to good conversations (approximately 11), which would have led to approximately 9 dates, and then about 6 bangs. With everything remaining constant (no working out, same bad photos, same opener), I believe I could get laid with 6% of the girls that I message. Not bad at all in my opinion. In the USA, the percentage was at 0% replies – I never even got off the ground.
Obviously, this isn’t an enormous sample size but it gives you a good idea of what can be achieved with some game, and with the aforementioned physical disadvantages. I trust that most people will do better.
Tips and Insights:
1. Get Whatsapp on your phone to communicate with girls. This means having a data plan. I have T Mobile with free international roaming data which I find to be very useful. Everyone else should bring a cheap unlocked phone and sign up for a plan here. Again, I recommend cheap because thieves target foreigners here for their phones and if you don’t give it up they will shoot you. Make sure you are willing to lose your phone.
2.Start messaging girls 2 weeks before you arrive. I didn’t really care, but I started the experiment with 2.5 weeks left on my stay in Cali and I didn’t get my first date and bang until my last night. Only after I was gone things really started to pick up. It takes time to message all the girls, time for them to reply, time to chat a bit on Cupid, time to chat a bit on Whatsapp, time to set a date, time to go on the date, time time time time time.
3.LatinAmericanCupid.com is another site with an amount of active Colombianas approximately equal to ColombianCupid. I will sign up for both next time.
4.Pay for stuff – a lot of these girls are super broke, as are many Colombians in general. They will appreciate it.
5.Competition from other foreigners in Cali is LOW. Most of the male tourists are from Germany or other Scandinavian countries with no game, and are broke backpackers that wear shorts and generally look like crap, and do not approach. You stand out by having decent shoes (or sneakers), a pair of slacks or jeans (no shorts), and a collared shirt (polos count), or by having a good physique with a form fitting shirt.
6.White guys have an advantage here – take advantage of it!
My Other Cali Datasheets:
thread-19152.html
thread-34998.html
I’m sure I’ll be writing more about Cali again the future when I go back. Until then, I will be dishing out the pain to newbs in Street Fighter V through liberal servings of spinning pile drivers from Zangief.
Good Luck, Have Fun, and GG!
