[Taco Illusionist]

Don't waste your time with low-value women. The level of attractiveness/femininity is not an accurate indicator; their demeanor and energy on the other hand is.

Provided you're not socially retarded your instinct will pick up on a woman's energy/vibe within 2mins of conversation with them. If you get a bad feeling, walk away. Spending your resources on people who are vapid and fundamentally disrespectful will only guarantee you a loss.

I feel the issue may stem from your initial screening process, interacting with only high(er) value women would likely yield you more respect and satisfaction, provided you've internalised red pill ideologies and are a high value male yourself.

P.S - Why do you want to hang with/bang hipsters?

[Rush87]

(05-30-2016 08:09 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 12:41 PM)tanner Wrote:  

The problem is that majority of women know men will walk away --more out of weakness than strength -- so they play on that.

Standing up to women - or at least calling them out on their bad behaviours is now more about strength. Men as a whole must do this more often.

The odd thing is when a guy stands up to a woman, she secretly respects him more,

Give as good as you get to one of these women around here, and she'll zip right into the bar in 30 seconds and be crowing to any one of her male "friends" that will listen: "Did you HEAR what that asshole out there SAID to me?" She might even decide to come at you herself. If she does and you touch her, you will lose with the legal system 100% of the time, guaranteed.

Engaging with these types, in the US at least, is a great way to get a pack of white knights up your ass in no time.

Yes, they do it because they know they can get away with it. So what? Do you want to get laid or be a hero?

I can understand this wholeheartedly but it is a bit like Socialism: I.E: It's unrealistic. Turning the other cheek is generally the wise thing to do, but let's not beat around the bush here:

A woman being rude to a man is a display of dominance. It is just as much an attack on your masculinity as a man threatening you with violence.

By walking away you keep your night alive and can still get pussy, but at what cost?

I spent the biggest part of my life backing down when a woman is attempting to assert her dominance and every time it happened, I felt dirty on myself for days… I eventually learnt that the hit on my pride wasn’t worth the short-term gratification of random pussy.

About a year or so before joining the RooshV Forum, I made a pact with myself, that I would never accept such behavior again. At first it was a disaster. I was far too harsh with my words and created some awkward situations, especially when male friends would inevitably get involved.

That said: Over time, my approach to such situations became refined. I started to view a rude woman, as a disobedient child. When they say something offensive: I call them out immediately. Every single time they will test you again, just like a child.

My past mistake was to continue arguing, but instead I adopted a technique that one of my older cousins used with his child, called going brain dead, which means you start to use short, re-affirming statements to respond rather than questions. For instance [To use the example from TS]:

Quote:

- Come on, what is so embarrassing? That you guys start drinking at 13? We already know that! (She comes from a city where they are famous for making wine)
- It is not like that; you don't have a fucking Idea.
I realize her tone of voice is very serious and I try to soften things.
- Sorry I was just making a joke. [Instead: Don't apologise. "It was a joke. No need to raise your voice"].
Then she screams:
- That is not a joke, that is completely retarded (at this point she was visibly angry), there was an awkward silence. [No awkward silence. Re-affirm your statement. “It was a joke. Now, tell me something else about your city”].

The rest should not be necessary. She will now follow your lead.

Quote:

I just looked at her with a smile like "you are weird"
She looked around and it seems she realized the ridiculous thing for what she got mad and she just dismisses it like:
- Sorry , let's continue with whatever shit we were talking about.

[Merenguero]

(05-30-2016 09:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Guys say D.C. is tough, and I'm like how?

It's not tough at all, never has been, and never will be. The problem is the girls are really ugly and the whole culture or lack thereof is the most conservative I've ever seen anywhere. No attitude whatsoever from anyone and I've been here far too long, so I know what I'm talking about.

[XPQ22]

(05-30-2016 09:08 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

A woman being rude to a man is a display of dominance. It is just as much an attack on your masculinity as a man threatening you with violence.

I guess that's where we differ. If a man threatens me with violence I'm looking for the nearest exit, because then you're entering the territory of "Do I want to be dead, or do I want to be right?"

Most of the people who do this, male or female, are just randos I don't know. Let them "assert their dominance" or "threaten my masculinity" all they like - I don't have anything to prove. If they want to think they've "won", that's fine. Someday they'll probably run their mouth at the wrong person, and discover to their horror that whatever power they thought they had was an illusion. Sucks for them, but I'd rather not be around when it happens.

I pull over to let tailgaters pass me all the time, too.

[WalkingMan]

(05-30-2016 10:32 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:08 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

A woman being rude to a man is a display of dominance. It is just as much an attack on your masculinity as a man threatening you with violence.

I guess that's where we differ. If a man threatens me with violence I'm looking for the nearest exit, because then you're entering the territory of "Do I want to be dead, or do I want to be right?"

Most of the people who do this, male or female, are just randos I don't know. Let them "assert their dominance" or "threaten my masculinity" all they like - I don't have anything to prove. If they want to think they've "won", that's fine. Someday they'll probably run their mouth at the wrong person, and discover to their horror that whatever power they thought they had was an illusion. Sucks for them, but I'd rather not be around when it happens.

"Never wrestle with a pig; you'll both get dirty and the pig will enjoy it."

This is also my policy for forum arguements of any kind.

[Rush87]

(05-30-2016 10:32 PM)XPQ22 Wrote:  

(05-30-2016 09:08 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

A woman being rude to a man is a display of dominance. It is just as much an attack on your masculinity as a man threatening you with violence.

I guess that's where we differ. If a man threatens me with violence I'm looking for the nearest exit, because then you're entering the territory of "Do I want to be dead, or do I want to be right?"

Most of the people who do this, male or female, are just randos I don't know. Let them "assert their dominance" or "threaten my masculinity" all they like - I don't have anything to prove. If they want to think they've "won", that's fine. Someday they'll probably run their mouth at the wrong person, and discover to their horror that whatever power they thought they had was an illusion. Sucks for them, but I'd rather not be around when it happens.

I pull over to let tailgaters pass me all the time, too.

There is definitely no shame in that approach. It all boils down to whatever helps you sleep at night. For me, my behaviour in those insignificant moments helps build my overall frame. If I'm passive in the little moments, those habits begin to seep into areas that matter.

[Bycicleguy]

(05-30-2016 09:08 PM)Rush87 Wrote:  

About a year or so before joining the RooshV Forum, I made a pact with myself, that I would never accept such behavior again. At first it was a disaster. I was far too harsh with my words and created some awkward situations, especially when male friends would inevitably get involved.

That said: Over time, my approach to such situations became refined. I started to view a rude woman, as a disobedient child. When they say something offensive: I call them out immediately. Every single time they will test you again, just like a child.

My past mistake was to continue arguing, but instead I adopted a technique that one of my older cousins used with his child, called going brain dead, which means you start to use short, re-affirming statements to respond rather than questions.

I really liked this post, continuing with the discussion, I want to make clear, as I said maybe those are not the best examples, but it is common with nightlife girls to recieve snarky answers to innocent questions or comments.

A reminder for those who where talking about if my game this or this. I wasn't even trying to game those girls in my examples.

It's not like if I wanted to start a fight over a bitchy comment, but I'm just getting tired of just having to smile and just let it pass when a girl comes with a huge attitude, somebody mentioned that when you confront a girl they usually respect it, in my experience it does not concern girls only. If somebody "pushes" you, tests your patience and you let them do it, they might do it again, but if you push back they might doubt to do so. That doesn't mean to push them to try to really fuck them, but giving a little back so they can see you are not a prey, if they try to escalate, then you can always leave having shown to the audience who is the jerk.

Coming back to this post, just reaffirming your point with conviction while directing the conversation to another topic. You show no weakness, you call her out publicly on her behaviour, you are not escalating the conflict saying something more offensive and finally you are still dismissing her efforts while making the conversation about something that interests you or the group. Simple, but socially savvy.

[XPQ22]

(05-31-2016 12:05 AM)Bycicleguy Wrote:  

It's not like if I wanted to start a fight over a bitchy comment, but I'm just getting tired of just having to smile and just let it pass when a girl comes with a huge attitude, somebody mentioned that when you confront a girl they usually respect it, in my experience it does not concern girls only. If somebody "pushes" you, tests your patience and you let them do it, they might do it again, but if you push back they might doubt to do so. That doesn't mean to push them to try to really fuck them, but giving a little back so they can see you are not a prey, if they try to escalate, then you can always leave having shown to the audience who is the jerk.

I wouldn't count on some of these chicks "respecting your authoritah." I've legitimately thought some of them were going to come at me if I continued the interaction, which puts me in a very bad position. This isn't just idle speculation, I've seen it happen on the streets in Boston several times...a guy gives some girl stress and the drunken histrionic nutcase comes at him swinging wildly. One poor beta took some good kicks to the groin from his drunk 20 something Asian "7" girlfriend outside a bar. Ouch.

And unfortunately, the audience, is not going to remember her as being the jerk. The way Western society is right now, if you're a man and behave like an asshole, you're the asshole, all the time. She's the poor woman, no matter how long she screamed at you prior to you attempting to lay down the law.

Here's the primary issue with many "high conflict" girls - they want attention much much more than the average girl. And, like the saying "any publicity is good publicity", it doesn't really matter what type of attention it is. Loved or hated, it doesn't matter to them. By pushing back I think they actually do think of you as more "easy prey", because it shows them that they can rattle you. If they can rattle you, they can manipulate you.

They're pushing you because they want something. They like the conflict - they get off on it. By pushing back, in a sense you're giving them what they want. You're acknowledging their existence and that you give a shit about them.

Indifference is the one thing that can really wound them:



That's how you hurt them the most. Do it right, and they'll be no doubt in their minds that you didn't eject because they cowed you with their "people sometimes find me intimidating because I'm so strong-willed", but simply because they're not worth a moment of your time. Ouch.

PS: Remember the girl who was screaming "FUCK YOU" to me a while back outside the bar? I gave her the 50 Cent like the rest. Next time I ran into her I just acted like nothing had happened and she was sweet as pie - when she noticed I was trying to light a cigarette and couldn't find my lighter, she zipped right over and was pulling one out of her purse. "Oh hey, here lemme help you with that."

After vinegar has failed to get your attention, they might decide the only other option is to try honey.

[WalkingMan]

^This is how I prefer to do it. I'm not letting some "bitch", "kill my vibe", as Kendrick Lamar would say.

[mogsy]

1. Its not usually a good idea to try and hook up random strangers without getting them to qualify themselves a bit first and build some rapport otherwise they may feel you are trying to either trick them, sell them something or even worse suck up to them.

2. You can usually tell the type of person your speaking to by how they come across initially if she is rude and is trying to belittle you, then unless you like being spoken to like that why waste your time speaking to her anymore, move on fast.

If the women you are speaking to on a regular basis behaviour are not the type that you like then I would suggest to try and relocate to a different spot in the future or next the girls that don't meet your criteria.

[pialox]

Who cares? Fuck em.

If she kills your vibe and gets in your head she wins.
You bite back, she gets the validation and attention she is craving.

There are billions of other women in the world, shun the bitches and they will get the message that you are higher value and you dont give a fuck about them.

[markus85]

XPQ22 posting truth. In the end it's not worth...take it from someone who's been brutally assualted by white knights twice before. For further proof liveleak has plenty of videos of innocent dudes getting lit up and ktfo by white knights (sometimes fatally)

[Euphoria]

(05-30-2016 09:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

If this is why representatives of why guys think Buenos Aires is tough, well now I understand. Please tell me you speak perfect Spanish.

Guys say D.C. is tough, and I'm like how?

There is no game in either interaction. This is aggressively negative game if you ask me. If you're basically going to insult a woman, you know her obvious reaction. That can be a strategy if you know what to do with her emotions, but it's clear that entire concept is not in your universe of ideas.

This is more suited to the newb board. The problems here are such that require deep unlearning of poor habits that some kind soul needs to direct you to a nice piece book that explains emotional progression.

WIA

it was beautiful statement.

(05-30-2016 12:41 PM)tanner Wrote:  

(05-29-2016 10:36 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Walk away. playing tit for tat with idiots is stupid.

The problem is that majority of women know men will walk away --more out of weakness than strength -- so they play on that.

Standing up to women - or at least calling them out on their bad behaviours is now more about strength. Men as a whole must do this more often.

The odd thing is when a guy stands up to a woman, she secretly respects him more,

sad but true.

(05-30-2016 01:36 PM)Mjölnir Wrote:  

OP, get away from argentina, learn good portuguese and come to brazil, just don't come to Santa Catarina, we don't have that much love for gringos here.. (assuming you're argentino). In the summer i've hit on some argentinas that usually come to my city, and out of 10 approaches I got 3 numbers... Which lead to no lay.. Could be me tho, i did just for the flag, argentinas are not really my "type".

(05-30-2016 10:19 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

Girls are almost never rude to me any more. I wonder if that comes from putting on some size.

Definitely, not just girls, people generally speaking.. Once you look like you are strong, people will take your shit more often. (edit): not meaning that you should be rude, or impolite first, but you'll get more respect to express your opinions more freely.

(05-30-2016 12:41 PM)tanner Wrote:  

The problem is that majority of women know men will walk away --more out of weakness than strength -- so they play on that.

Standing up to women - or at least calling them out on their bad behaviours is now more about strength. Men as a whole must do this more often.

The odd thing is when a guy stands up to a woman, she secretly respects him more,

This is true, call girls out on their shit and they will be displeased at the moment, the next day they'll be smiling at you.

i would love to feel it...

(06-01-2016 11:58 PM)pialox Wrote:  

Who cares? Fuck em.

If she kills your vibe and gets in your head she wins.
You bite back, she gets the validation and attention she is craving.

There are billions of other women in the world, shun the bitches and they will get the message that you are higher value and you dont give a fuck about them.

this is true too..

[casa-nostra]

My advice to you, dont be a nice guy in night game , girls are bitchy.

Usually i react so agressive when i get ths answers you get.

[AWright]

Honestly I take the high road with rude chicks. One time I didn't and the chick and her friends (I showed her up in front of them) complained which led me to getting banned from a popular venue. There is more to it but especially in smaller cities you're better off taking the high road.

[Conquerer7]

As much as i love women they are in general getting worse. Uglier, fatter, more masculine and their attitude stinks.

[MdWanderer]

I never get upset when a chick gives me attitude and I'm gaming her. I just tend to laugh it off. Even if my game is good and I don't come across wrong to the girl, I do understand that I'm the aggressor so if she chooses to reject me and in a rude manner that's her prerogative. I view it this way: had I not gone up and talked to the girl and was just standing around minding my own business, would she have done me any harm or kill my vibe in any way? If the answer is no; I just move on.

Where I get pissed off at a girl with an attitude is in a workplace environment or social circle where I have no intention of getting into a girls pants and I'm just there to work or to have a good time. Some girls just love making people miserable that have done nothing to them and that annoys me. And I have done a pretty good job at standing up to these types of girls and they may hate it at the moment but the next day they like you for it.

[Kingsley Davis]

Girls are not rude to "people" they....respect. Similar to how women don't fall in love, they fall in respect.

[Fortis]

Speaking of this topic, I had a chick put her hands on my head because I was laughing so hard at her bullshit (laughing at her, not with her) that I had my head on the table. If we had been standing I would have probably been rolling on the floor laughing. That's how dumb her shit was. She tried to hold my head down as I laughed at her and I shoved her hands off and told her, "Don't touch me. I don't fucking know you." She immediately started playing nice. She was one of those older expat chicks who probably hasn't had dick in 10 years and thinks she can walk over dudes like she can little Chinese kids in her classroom. Everyone at my table started to die laughing when I shoved her off and told her what's what. I was drunk and I was very amused by the bullshit she was spewing so I just started laughing hysterically. This is very unusual for me, though.

[papaiela]

Women are like child.

Good behavior should be rewarded (give her a hug) and bad behavior should be punished. I'd generally tell her what she did good and then reward her and conversely tell her what she did bad and ignore her or sometimes just directly ignore her.

I feel like it also depends on the situation. If it's a girl I am approaching by herself and she's being rude from the start I'd bounce, I have no time to waste on these kind of chicks.

If she's with her friends I'd completely ignore her and have fun with her friends. Dance, joke whatever after 3 minutes she will feel like an idiot. And she will know what she did wrong. She will try to gain attention afterwards.

This is obviously not to be confused with shit tests. You can tell just from the tone. This is my experience with this so far.

[Malo]

(09-29-2016 11:49 AM)papaiela Wrote:  

Women are like child.

Exactly. Women are muuuuuch closer to children or animals in their emotional makeup than to an adult thinking person.

You'd be wise to equate a woman being rude to cat hissing at you.

If you get angry when a cat you try to pet hisses at you, then you have a mental issue.

The game is getting it to stop hissing and start wanting you to give it attention.

The only time you're correct to be offended by a woman is when you know her for months or years, nurtured a long lasting relationship with her, and she still does something nasty.

In that scenario, you'd probably actually be offended by your cat all the same, if he shit all over the house after you nurtured it for years (or, you'd suspect something is wrong with his health).

[coverdoc]

I tend to have my usual go to responses for women displaying bad behavior. My favorites so far:

You're acting feral, relax.

You're not cute enough to be displaying this type of behavior.

Are you intentionally rude to compensate for self esteem issues?

What's wrong, you having a rough year huh?

My bread and butters here:

You're behavior is deplorable, stop harassing me.

Putting anything more into it is a waste of time for you. Lots of bitches have terrible self esteem and use opportunities of being rude to falsely boost their own, recognize that and disregard it.

-CD

[serpico]

gotta be honest, this never really happens to me, unless the girl in question is clearly a fucking car crash, or clearly having a terrible night. people just being rude like that from relatively straight forward interactions is incredibly rare IMHO. I'd view your experiences as feedback, sounds to me like you're coming off as overly arrogant and uncalibrated. Chill, basically.

[Quintus Curtius]

(09-29-2016 01:52 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

She was one of those older expat chicks who probably hasn't had dick in 10 years and thinks she can walk over dudes like she can little Chinese kids in her classroom.