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(07-29-2016 05:57 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

He's very good at sociopolitics, and very bad at male-female relationships. Although this forum has a strong political aspect, we're more of a Game / Travel forum, which explains our dislike of Molyneux.

Agree.

Here's the same in a more understandable meme format:

[rotekz]

Vox Day and Stephan are covering progressive cultural programming in the arts. I'm 20 minutes in and it's pretty good so far.

Edit: 55 minutes in, Vox is great, Stephan cringe-worthy when trying to talk about relationships.

[Enoch]

(08-01-2016 01:21 PM)rotekz Wrote:  

Vox Day and Stephan are covering progressive cultural programming in the arts. I'm 20 minutes in and it's pretty good so far.

Edit: 55 minutes in, Vox is great, Stephan cringe-worthy when trying to talk about relationships.

These are probably the top two "alt-right" / "red-pill" intellectuals. They also tend to stay away from race, JQ issues- however you can find those coherently addressed on the Fash the Nation podcast.

[911]

I've thrashed SM above, so for the sake of fairness I'll give the bald man his due and post one of his best lectures, which consists of a series of slides exposing the ravages of promiscuity. If Trump gets elected, this should be required for all girls in middle school, instead of HPV vaccines:

[CookieDough]

I am 20 minutes in and it promises to be epic.

[Off The Reservation]

Black America's Exploitation | Rev. Jesse Lee Peterson and Stefan Molyneux.

"Unless you work and earn your way you are never going to become a free person." Peterson

"If you turn children from a liability into an asset then you lower the requirements for men to be good honest stable decent providers." Molyneaux

[Off The Reservation]

This is going to be a good one.

Colin Flaherty on Stef's show today

[911]

OK, here we go again in this bipolar thread, an excellent take on climate change, short and sweet:

[ElFlaco]

I'm halfway through this video. Vox Day presents a good defense here of an identity-based nation, contrasting it with the nation-of-immigrants mythology. I really need to get around to reading Cuckservative, only five bucks on Kindle.

Stefan's previous video with Vox Day is here: thread-56288...pid1331665

[MMX2010]

As usual, am interview involving Stefan Molyneux meandered quite a bit, but Vox's outline of the Alt-Right (and the examples he gave to support them) was well-crafted.

I think the podcast should be required viewing for every alt-right member.

[rw95]

On the one hand, I respect Vox Day for being one of the few alt-right figureheads to point out that the original American people as envisioned by the founding fathers were Anglo-Saxon and certain other northwestern European Protestants, as opposed to this "whiteopia" ideal preached by the majority of the alt-right/WN crowd.

On the other hand, Vox is supposedly of partial Mexican and Native American descent. Considering the fact that the alt-right increasingly seems to be becoming equivalent to white nationalism, what right does a "tri-racial" man have in advising "pure" Europeans on anything? Won't he be driven out when the ethnonationalists come to create their 100% white ethnostates?

[SamuelBRoberts]

"On the other hand, Vox is supposedly of partial Mexican and Native American descent. Considering the fact that the alt-right increasingly seems to be becoming equivalent to white nationalism, what right does a "tri-racial" man have in advising "pure" Europeans on anything? Won't he be driven out when the ethnonationalists come to create their 100% white ethnostates?"

No need to worry. He's never advocated a 100% white ethnostate, and I don't think he hangs out with or talks to anyone who does.

[rw95]

(08-31-2016 04:58 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

"On the other hand, Vox is supposedly of partial Mexican and Native American descent. Considering the fact that the alt-right increasingly seems to be becoming equivalent to white nationalism, what right does a "tri-racial" man have in advising "pure" Europeans on anything? Won't he be driven out when the ethnonationalists come to create their 100% white ethnostates?"

No need to worry. He's never advocated a 100% white ethnostate, and I don't think he hangs out with or talks to anyone who does.

Vox is extremely against anything that isn't white, Christian and European. I remember one article in which he says things would have been better off if the Nazis had won, and there were no "white women having the children of black men." [paraphrasing] He's also ardently opposed to race-mixing, finding it anti-religious, when if it weren't for racial mixing, not only would he not exist, but the "white race" would not exist.

What right does a man such as Vox, he of the bastardized genome (I'm mixed, so no accusations of race-trolling here), to provide counsel to the master race?

[SamuelBRoberts]

"Vox is extremely against anything that isn't white, Christian and European."
This is a goofy lie. Stop telling goofy lies about people, it makes you look silly. Vox's admiration for Japan and Asia is extremely well known. He never shuts up about how great Murakami is, for one thing. He also publishes Jewish Israeli authors, which is a strange thing for someone who's "against anything that isn't Christian" to do.

"What right does a man such as Vox, he of the bastardized genome (I'm mixed, so no accusations of race-trolling here), to provide counsel to the master race?"
Vox has never used the term "master race" and has specifically disavowed it. This is obvious from his alt-right writings.

If you're not going to take the time to actually familiarize yourself with what Vox wrote, you shouldn't talk about him at all.

[rw95]

(08-31-2016 06:21 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

"Vox is extremely against anything that isn't white, Christian and European."
This is a goofy lie. Stop telling goofy lies about people, it makes you look silly. Vox's admiration for Japan and Asia is extremely well known. He never shuts up about how great Murakami is, for one thing. He also publishes Jewish Israeli authors, which is a strange thing for someone who's "against anything that isn't Christian" to do.

"What right does a man such as Vox, he of the bastardized genome (I'm mixed, so no accusations of race-trolling here), to provide counsel to the master race?"
Vox has never used the term "master race" and has specifically disavowed it. This is obvious from his alt-right writings.

If you're not going to take the time to actually familiarize yourself with what Vox wrote, you shouldn't talk about him at all.

Vox Day can do whatever he wants, but why does the "alt-white" need a mongrel to do their heavy work for them?

Among other things, I think Vox Day needs to step away from the "religion" and look at the science. (Western) Europe stepping away from Christianity had nothing to do with its downfall. Western Europe was bound to do so eventually. The simple fact of the matter is that this was that western civilization was going to wind up in its current state no matter what.

Western European universalism gone amok is the reason the west is dying, not abandoning Christianity, perfidious Jewish interests, wide-scale race-mixing or whatever other reason the alt-right might want to use. The answer, as in all things, lies in human biology.

https://jaymans.wordpress.com/2015/06/27...versalism/

[SamuelBRoberts]

"Vox Day can do whatever he wants, but why does the "alt-white" need a mongrel to do their heavy work for them?"

Because there is no "alt-white" movement. It's the "alt-right" movement.

Again, none of this is that hard. You appear to have massive preconceptions about people that are blinding you to what they actually think. You're setting fire to strawmen that only exist in your own head, and acting like this is an impressive feat. When confronted on this you ignored it and linked to a random blog post by some dude.

Is this some kind of weird meta-performance to try and demonstrate that mixed-race people like you have lower IQs? I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish here.

[rw95]

Have you not read anything that Vox Day has written, or the regular commenters on his site? He's a more articulate Roissy.

No "alt-white" movement? Jared Taylor and Amren? Ramzpaul? Richard Spencer? Heartiste? Perhaps initially the "alt-right" was truly a blanket term which encompassed a large range of dissident, generally right-leaning ideologies, from game/self-improvement to white nationalism/fascism. But clearly, it seems the latter has won out over the former.

And before anyone says otherwise, I am not opposed to European countries remaining dominantly European, limiting immigration, and taking action against populations which are clearly detrimental to the host countries, such as illegal Mexicans in the US and Islamic migrants in Europe. But for better or for worse, we live in an increasingly globalized world. This does not mean that we will or must unite under one world state, but it does mean that a certain amount of border crossing/mixing is going to take place. (And this irrational fear the alt-right has of the human races vanishing into a homogenized "beige race" is just that, irrational. The overwhelming majority of people will mate with people who are similar to them.) But the world has become incredibly interconnected, and as long as the west remains dominant it is going to remain that way. (If the west falls on the other hand, it's anybody's guess as to what happens. It's very likely that the interconnectedness as we know it would cease to exist, but this is purely speculation.) The west can of course be discriminating in who it decides to take in, but things are never returning to "the good old days," whatever those days may be.

[SamuelBRoberts]

"No "alt-white" movement? Jared Taylor and Amren? Ramzpaul? Richard Spencer? Heartiste? Perhaps initially the "alt-right" was truly a blanket term which encompassed a large range of dissident, generally right-leaning ideologies, from game/self-improvement to white nationalism/fascism. But clearly, it seems the latter has won out over the former."


Heartiste wrote an article like three days ago against white nationalism. He said it was "a non-starter," that it "will fail," and should be "left alone."

Why do you keep telling lies about people? How do you expect to have any kind of discussion if you can't make a simple, 300 word post without multiple false statements?

[rw95]

(08-31-2016 09:11 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

"No "alt-white" movement? Jared Taylor and Amren? Ramzpaul? Richard Spencer? Heartiste? Perhaps initially the "alt-right" was truly a blanket term which encompassed a large range of dissident, generally right-leaning ideologies, from game/self-improvement to white nationalism/fascism. But clearly, it seems the latter has won out over the former."


Heartiste wrote an article like three days ago against white nationalism. He said it was "a non-starter," that it "will fail," and should be "left alone."

Why do you keep telling lies about people? How do you expect to have any kind of discussion if you can't make a simple, 300 word post without multiple false statements?

I realize we're taking this thread off-topic. I am willing to continue this conversation via PM if you are willing to do so.

[SamuelBRoberts]

Sure, I'd be happy to discussion nationalism with you via PM.

[MMX2010]

rw95,

The alt-right is not that same thing as White Supremacy. In the podcast, Vox Day said that his admiration and love of White culture is NOT an objective claim. It's a subjective claim, based solely on the fact that White culture is HIS culture.

To make an objective claim that either Western Civilization or White Culture is objectively superior, would require him to believe that all other civilizations and cultures should become Western and White. (Look up Kipling's poem "White Man's Burden" for the inevitable result of believing this.)

But the subjectively of Vox's love for Western Civilization and White Culture allows him to love all cultures, provided they are contained (for the most part) in their native lands.

Hungary for the Hungarians.

Romania for the Romanians.

Nigeria for the Nigerians.

America for the Americans.

[rw95]

(08-31-2016 09:38 PM)MMX2010 Wrote:  

rw95,

The alt-right is not that same thing as White Supremacy. In the podcast, Vox Day said that his admiration and love of White culture is NOT an objective claim. It's a subjective claim, based solely on the fact that White culture is HIS culture.

To make an objective claim that either Western Civilization or White Culture is objectively superior, would require him to believe that all other civilizations and cultures should become Western and White. (Look up Kipling's poem "White Man's Burden" for the inevitable result of believing this.)

But the subjectively of Vox's love for Western Civilization and White Culture allows him to love all cultures, provided they are contained (for the most part) in their native lands.

Hungary for the Hungarians.

Romania for the Romanians.

Nigeria for the Nigerians.

America for the Americans.

Ah, but Vox Day is not "white," yes? He's "tri-racial," and therefore not white according to American hypodescent.

And these alt-righters go on and on about preserving American identity and culture. All well and fine. But what exactly is their solution, beyond ranting about how Jews and colored people ruin everything, a la Jared Taylor, Roissy, and Richard Spencer? If what Vox says is true that Americans are only Anglo-Saxon and Northern European Protestants (and he is technically correct, as this was the vision of the founding fathers), should we send back everyone who isn't an Anglo-Germanic protestant, including the (now seen-as) white but Catholic Irish, Italians and Slavs?

[262]

Delete. This thread is edging into yet another race one.

[MMX2010]

rw95,

If you listen to the interview, Vox explicitly says that granting too much political influence to a minority group always leads to war. Certain Jews in America used this statement to accuse Vox of anti-semitism, but that statement applies everywhere - whether the British in India, the Whites in South Africa, or the one tribe in Rhwanda over the other one.

The culture of White British people is extraordinarily different from the culture of White Scandinavian people. If you've followed the Trump thread from the beginning, you'll know this by the phrase "Minnesota is completely cucked." - which was said after they voted for Marco Rubio during their Republican caucus.

Cuck culture isn't compatible with White British culture, and neither are compatible with either Black-American culture, Hispanic-American culture, Black-immigrant culture, nor Spanish-speaking immigrant culture. (This is because you can't simultaneously have a limited government and a large one, not can you have hyper-low taxes at the same time you have very high taxes.)

These are cultural differences that are observable and predictable by race. Observable, because you can readily identify a White person of British descent versus a White person of Swedish descent rather easily. Predictable, because these political differences are at least 100 years old and show no sign of changing.

As with all observable and predictable systems, you can either follow its wisdom or not, but you can't deny its wisdom.

[MMX2010]

262,

The alt-right perspective is as follows: culture is created by race, and mediated by environment. Nearly everyone would be happier if they lived close to their ancestral homes: dark-skinned people near the equator, light skinned people in the 30-50 latitudes.

There are numerous environmental cues that explain cultural differences, and predict that cultural assimilation is impossible. (My favorite is the recent discovery about the difference between wheat and root vegetables. Wheat spoils and must be stored. Root vegetables don't.)