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Expendability, or why feminism is an own goal
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Expendability, or why feminism is an own goal

"Women and children can afford to be careless. Men cannot."
-- The Godfather

Some of this may be restating the bleeding obvious, but I had a bit of an epiphany on the subject of why feminism's drive for equality between the sexes is horribly misconceived, and I thought I might tease it out here.

In essence, sex relations come down to expendability. But not the way you might think.

Roaming across the bluepilled fields of youtube as you do, I came across a video on sex roles in earlier history by a guy who, having just triggered my epiphany, probably deserves to remain nameless. Suffice it to say he's a historian who thinks the Hugh Grant, polite-but-socially-awkward-Englishman persona works for him. But he produces a lot of videos about how most medieval life as portrayed in films is largely bullshit, from the forging of swords through to the random wearing of leather armbands for no apparent reason.

Anyway, I came across a video he made about the power of the different sexes in society. And the central plank of his thesis in this video struck a chord with me: contrary to every feminist screed you've ever heard, women were and are not expendable for the vast majority of our history. Men were. And still are. In essence, women are not (or are less) expendable than men primarily due to their capacity to give birth, as opposed to men whose prime capacity is to inseminate women. This leads to a cold economic result: if you lost half a tribe's men, the remaining men could still repopulate the tribe. It's a biological reality. If you lose half a tribe's women, it's a different story entirely.

This is the simple reason why, if there was a threat to the tribe, men were generally sent to confront it rather than women: because ultimately you can afford to lose a man or two quelling an existential threat to a pre-industrial (or industrial) tribe, but you're much less able to afford losing a few women. (That's leaving aside men's physical prowess, which is necessarily superior to women across the board. Biology intersects with economics here: we can inseminate more women, and we are physically stronger. We are built to be less essential, as individuals, to the process of reproduction than women are.)

This seems to work as a reason for the comparative rarity of alpha males even in ancient society. Males being expendable, a man needed some serious resources behind him if he was going to keep more than one woman as a wife and mother of his children. Taking an example or two from religious texts, accepting them as imperfect historical documents: Islam, a rather impressive example of a social order untainted by roughly fourteen hundred years of technological innovation, authorises polygamy but only if the man can logistically/economically support each wife he brings in. In the Old Testament, King David of Israel has any number of concubines and wives, but he's a fucking king, not Samuel Fuckowitz the local grass merchant. Again and again we see the many-partners male invariably coupled with large resources -- because a man only started to become less expendable from a reproductive point of view when he possessed superior resources to those of his fellow men.

In the West, this expendability -- and women's subconscious awareness of it -- is on show for any pre-40s woman who rides the cock carousel. Amy Schumer actually put it eloquently into words as a point of personal pride: "I weigh a hundred and sixty pounds and I can catch a dick whenever I want!" This is certainly an observation on the thirst of a good number of men, but it's also a powerful confirmation of the expendability of men as women of reproductive age see them in our current society.

This expendability is not to be frowned on. The awareness of it is responsible for male innovation and pretty much all technological and societal progress over the past six thousand years of human history. Knowing you are just another replaceable cog in the wheel from more or less your teenage years focuses the mind wonderfully: you are much more primed to be objective and to pursue goals that will lead to a benefit to you and those close to you. You are more inclined to do something to better society as a whole, raising you out of the morass of expendability. You are, in short, far better equipped to compete.

Women, however, for a vast chunk of history have been seen as either less expendable or not expendable at all. Indeed even women outside monogamous relationships -- lovers, mistresses, prostitutes -- have all had privileged places in society and often disproportionate power compared to that of their peers. In passing (and it's a point this historian) made, for every woe-is-me arranged marriage set up over the years, there were two nonconsenting parties to the marriage: the man and the woman. Women were largely protected and did not have to compete for resources while bearing children.

Either way, where does feminism come into expendability?

Feminism seeks to make the sexes equal. After all, that's what equality feminists keep telling us. They seek to remove sex roles. First problem is that this is literally seeking to change hardwired sex responses: the historian talked about an experiment conducted in a kibbutz in Israel where boys and girls were given precisely the same education in every way, but still gravitated towards male and female interests and roles according to their genitalia. We also know that male and female brains are markedly different; this is a matter of biological fact.

But the second problem is that feminist ideals might seek to elevate men and women to the same position of being non-expendable ... but the reality is that, necessarily, both sexes become expendable and society becomes a scrum for resources where it is literally survival of the fittest. And women are not the fittest - physically or psychologically. It's not their fault; they are attempting to compete in a race where men have a ten to fifteen thousand year lead. But it's also a really daft way to organise your society. The mythical gender pay gap supports this thesis: put women and men together on the same field and women cannot compete. They are stuck with their biology and their hormones in favour of having kids.

I did give some thought to the Chinese experiment, how ruthless selection in favour of boys has left that country with an excess of men, and how that factors into the proposition that men are expendable. The thing to remember there is that the Chinese experiment is artificial and precisely the opposite of normal sex relations: China instituted a one-child policy to retard its population growth, not hold it level or increase it. The result, therefore was actually to render women expendable in precisely the way equality feminists demand. If you are trying to retard, or do not care about, population growth then there is no rational reason to give women special advantages targeted to their sex. The result, then, was predictable: when both sexes are mandated as expendable, it is boys who are rationally preferred because they're better adapted to dealing with survival of the fittest conditions. The one-child policy was survival of the fittest instituted by a government. And men won out, convincingly. On the other hand, though, Chinese society lost, even more convincingly: in the next 20 years, absent a baby boom its workforce is about to start aging rapidly.

Cock carousel culture is doing much the same thing, though. Feminism, and women giving up their cunts to every bad boy with a couple of tattoos, are making women masculine. But that masculinity -- fucking whoever they like, drinking as much as they want, playing chicken with the biological clock -- comes at a price: if you want to fuck, drink, and do stupid shit like a man, you must become and accept that you are expendable like a man.

The frightening part is that technology is leaping ahead so quickly that it may, within the lifetimes of some of the younger members of this forum, become possible for reproduction of the species to occur on a mass scale without any involvement of women at all. If that takes place it will not be men who become extinct; we have seen that even in societies where men and women are supposedly equal it is still predominantly the men who must hold that artificial balance in place. The drive for equality between the sexes, absent a post-scarcity society, is one that can only result in the destruction of the sex which requires "compensation" to keep up. Men, because we are expendable, because we have adapted to that hard biological fact over several thousand years, are better competitors. Women, by demanding equality, make themselves expendable, and lose any value-adding they had for themselves in the equation.

Remissas, discite, vivet.
God save us from people who mean well. -storm
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Expendability, or why feminism is an own goal

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Feminism, and women giving up their cunts to every bad boy with a couple of tattoos, are making women masculine. But that masculinity -- fucking whoever they like, drinking as much as they want, playing chicken with the biological clock -- comes at a price: if you want to fuck, drink, and do stupid shit like a man, you must become and accept that you are expendable like a man.

Always love it when a good old axiom comes into play.
"Good, bad or ugly; all actions have consequences."
"Careful what you wish for. You just might get it."
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Expendability, or why feminism is an own goal

I love this breakdown Paracelsus. Can you send me a PM for the link to the youtube channel with videos about different aspects of medieval life too?

Regarding your prediction: with technology already capable of making artificial reproduction, women would then become expendable because their reproductive roles become obsolete.

But then this analysis only bases on the reproductive roles of men and women. What about the need to satiate men's sexual drive? Was it not one of the primary reasons women have always been important because men needed a way to channel their sexual drive? I can hardly imagine a world where women, being expendable, actually become less important because every single guy with a dick swinging will crave something to put it in. So all society would need a way to keep the sex ratio at least manageable. This is also the card women have always played throughout history.

In the end, women might never win, but they cannot lose the race either because they always have that to fall upon.

What do you guys think?

Ass or cash, nobody rides for free - WestIndiArchie
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Expendability, or why feminism is an own goal

Quote: (05-17-2016 04:39 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

But then this analysis only bases on the reproductive roles of men and women. What about the need to satiate men's sexual drive? Was it not one of the primary reasons women have always been important because men needed a way to channel their sexual drive? I can hardly imagine a world where women, being expendable, actually become less important because every single guy with a dick swinging will crave something to put it in. So all society would need a way to keep the sex ratio at least manageable. This is also the card women have always played throughout history.

Here I see technology as the grim answer to that. Sexbots in the far future, VR porn in the near future.

Over that time, it'll be prostitution fully legalised, government regulated, and without any social stigma attached to it in the not-too-distant future if society keeps swinging to the left.

Prostitution has survived every challenge thrown at it by every belief system, government, and institution that's tried to shut it down for over six thousand years of human history. It truly is the oldest profession. The only thing that could destroy it as an industry is oversupply.

Equality feminism, counterintuitively, encourages prostitution. In the past prostitution had to contend against the fact it impacted on family formation (don't buy cow, get milk when you need it) and because it generally wasn't sanctioned/moral conduct to sell sex. But equality feminism, if practiced faithfully, grinds out any possible double standard: if a woman has full sexual agency and can fuck who she wants, without any regard for her future or her future children unborn, she should be able to profit from her agency or "skill" at "satisfying" what is nothing more than a need. The porn industry is already bitching that it can't make decent films anymore because there's so much amateur porn done by attention whores. This is a roadsign for where sex relations are headed if a major societal swing doesn't happen soon.

But again: as technology gets better and men are better able to customise a virtual sex experience to their particular tastes and wants, prostitutes will lose out -- just as Western women are losing out because they have removed any rational incentive for a man to get anything beyond an orgasm from an interaction with a woman. Why should I put up with having to go through all the hoo-haa of making sure I don't have any shaving cuts, getting a set of ultra-thick condoms and flipping a coin to see if I get the hooker with herpes for one cum, when I can stay at home with my customisable VR and/or sexbot experience which can give me brain-melting orgasms on demand? When I can change the experience from getting blown by Jessica Alba to violating every one of Cindy Crawford's 21-year-old holes with the click of a button?

Remissas, discite, vivet.
God save us from people who mean well. -storm
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Expendability, or why feminism is an own goal

I suspect the introduction of realistic sexbots or more importantly, companionbots will have some effect.

Its a human psychological necessity to have touch and intimacy. Bad things happen to the mind and the will when this need is neglected. Many overlook this by misreading it as the importance of sex to men instead.

Further, if this need for intimacy can be met artificially and women are somehow culturally expected to compete as equals you can expect their position to fall immensely compared to how they are held today in the West. Women just can't compete with men when held to the same standards (and not the bullshit hidden double standards that we hold them to now).

The last formidable obstacle to the esteem of women falling to the level of their utility is the Empathy Gap. We are biologically hard wired to care for women while no such instinct is directed towards men. This goes beyond sexual thirst. White Knighting is coded deep into male psychology and can take significant conditioning to overcome. Many manospherians go through years of psychological angst in struggling to purge themselves of it with mixed success. You can see the angry results littered through message boards such as /r/TheRedPill. For the men who actually had their undeserved empathy and enablement towards women encouraged in their youth, the price can be quite high.

I don't think a robot substitute by itself is enough. You don't see men stop White Knighting just because they get a girlfriend or get married.
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Expendability, or why feminism is an own goal

Anyone counting on technology to "even the playing field" between men and women needs to remember that the female equivalent to VR and sex bots are Facebook and Instagram.
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Quote: (05-17-2016 01:40 PM)262 Wrote:  

Anyone counting on technology to "even the playing field" between men and women needs to remember that the female equivalent to VR and sex bots are Facebook and Instagram.

FB and Instagram works because there are thirsty men. Suppose VR and sexbots do get to a level that they can replace female companion, you would see the attention bitches get on social media drop to hell and below.

That's if the technology is allowed to develop at least. Femnazi will try to have such a thing banned. In the end women do lose out because female needs attention while men need sex, but attention is only valid if its from some real human sources, whereas VR sex is fine by many men.

Although such a society is an abomination to nature. What will be left that is still natural in human interactions if even sex and companionship could be virtualized?

Ass or cash, nobody rides for free - WestIndiArchie
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Expendability, or why feminism is an own goal

^ Who says the "men" on FB and Instagram have to be real?

Maybe the below was Zuckerberg's plan the whole time:
1. Build a social network website
2. Have bots or cheap online workers pretend to be thirsty guys for girls on said social network
3. Sell the girls' info to corporations
4. Profit
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